| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 137599 views | ted_hendrix |
That's where our new ground will be. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:17 - Jul 18 with 4064 views | Juzzie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:44 - Jul 18 by ActonExile |
Just as a thought the whole 4 bedroom house next to the loft entrance is up for sale for £1,500,000Offers in Region of
4 bedroom terraced house for sale
Loftus Road, London, W12
Looking at google map there are 40 house on Ellerslie and Loftus which back onto the footprint of our ground.
If we can get the owners to sell up it would be somewhere between £60-80m and you wouldn't even need to demolish the houses, just build over the gardens and rent out the properties. |
As has often been mentioned (usually by me  ) it's not 40 houses. Each house is split into 4 or 5 flats so you're looking at around 200 properties. That's 200 leaseholders/freeholders/tenants etc. which is hundreds & hundreds of people involved. It's a logistical nightmare to try and sort all that out. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:24 - Jul 18 with 3996 views | CamberleyR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:06 - Jul 18 by joe90 |
You forgot to mention AFC Wimbledon, even they managed to build a new ground on the site of their old one despite years of opposition from Merton Council. |
Not quite. The old Plough Lane ground is now a development of flats. The new stadium is built on the site of the old greyhound/speedway stadium which is a bit further down Plough Lane from the old ground. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 12:27]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:35 - Jul 18 with 3902 views | Loyalitat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:06 - Jul 18 by joe90 |
You forgot to mention AFC Wimbledon, even they managed to build a new ground on the site of their old one despite years of opposition from Merton Council. |
With planning permission to extend to 20,000 if needed in the future. Current capacity is just over 9,000 with about 4,500 season ticket holders.
On a very limited budget, they have done an excellent job in getting a new ground, which is fit for their current purposes and potential future growth, has a decent number of bars and refreshment areas within the ground, corporate boxes, hospitality areas available for functions throughout the year, and a bar, albeit dingy basement, which is open most days of the week serving the locals.
Not saying that we can replicate that at Loftus Road. We missed many an opportunity to acquire one of a decent number of prime locations within the borough about 10 years ago. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 13:01]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:46 - Jul 18 with 3825 views | joe90 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:24 - Jul 18 by CamberleyR |
Not quite. The old Plough Lane ground is now a development of flats. The new stadium is built on the site of the old greyhound/speedway stadium which is a bit further down Plough Lane from the old ground. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 12:27]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:47 - Jul 18 with 3825 views | Juzzie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:35 - Jul 18 by Loyalitat |
With planning permission to extend to 20,000 if needed in the future. Current capacity is just over 9,000 with about 4,500 season ticket holders.
On a very limited budget, they have done an excellent job in getting a new ground, which is fit for their current purposes and potential future growth, has a decent number of bars and refreshment areas within the ground, corporate boxes, hospitality areas available for functions throughout the year, and a bar, albeit dingy basement, which is open most days of the week serving the locals.
Not saying that we can replicate that at Loftus Road. We missed many an opportunity to acquire one of a decent number of prime locations within the borough about 10 years ago. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 13:01]
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"missed" or "blocked"? Not saying the owners weren't remiss but in order to buy you need someone to sell and so far no one wants to sell, or if they do they add a few zero's on the end when a football club shows interest.
edit: typo's [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 15:24]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:57 - Jul 18 with 3737 views | joe90 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:35 - Jul 18 by Loyalitat |
With planning permission to extend to 20,000 if needed in the future. Current capacity is just over 9,000 with about 4,500 season ticket holders.
On a very limited budget, they have done an excellent job in getting a new ground, which is fit for their current purposes and potential future growth, has a decent number of bars and refreshment areas within the ground, corporate boxes, hospitality areas available for functions throughout the year, and a bar, albeit dingy basement, which is open most days of the week serving the locals.
Not saying that we can replicate that at Loftus Road. We missed many an opportunity to acquire one of a decent number of prime locations within the borough about 10 years ago. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 13:01]
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They've done an excellent job. Tidy little ground. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:15 - Jul 18 with 3670 views | Loyalitat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:47 - Jul 18 by Juzzie |
"missed" or "blocked"? Not saying the owners weren't remiss but in order to buy you need someone to sell and so far no one wants to sell, or if they do they add a few zero's on the end when a football club shows interest.
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It clearly didn't deter Imperial College from acquiring 11.5 acres nearby in 2013, in addition to land they bought from the BBC. Loftus Road footprint is about 5 acres. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 13:35]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:52 - Jul 18 with 3515 views | DavieQPR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:15 - Jul 18 by Loyalitat |
It clearly didn't deter Imperial College from acquiring 11.5 acres nearby in 2013, in addition to land they bought from the BBC. Loftus Road footprint is about 5 acres. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 13:35]
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It was 7.7acres for £23m ( £30m now with inflation). It added to land they already owned. |  | | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:07 - Jul 18 with 3454 views | Loyalitat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:52 - Jul 18 by DavieQPR |
It was 7.7acres for £23m ( £30m now with inflation). It added to land they already owned. |
Their website clearly states that they acquired 11.5 acres from Aviva in White City in 2013. I could be wrong. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:26 - Jul 18 with 3281 views | Juzzie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:15 - Jul 18 by Loyalitat |
It clearly didn't deter Imperial College from acquiring 11.5 acres nearby in 2013, in addition to land they bought from the BBC. Loftus Road footprint is about 5 acres. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 13:35]
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Maybe because local authority/central government rubber stamped a massive residential (ker-ching) complex. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:04 - Jul 18 with 3147 views | QPRConor2000 |
I wonder if the club is already planning on redoing Loftus Road, hence why its gone quiet.
know its pretty unlikely, but I have found it interesting that Ruben said a while back on the Open all Rs podcast that they are looking at what to do with LR.
He talks about it between 9:00 and 13:00 mins.
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PqjxGXfNEkn | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:58 - Jul 18 with 2969 views | LordPork |
what happened to the old mantra, "every problem is a opportunity"?
I ask on the basis that most of the companies I worked for viewed commerce like this. This has been rumbling on most of my lifetime ( a very long time ) with loads of plans and ideas, assorted Directors inputs, consultants etc.
We've had guys on the Board well fixed/associated with H&F Council affairs, planning/development, you name it.
Nett result. NOWT
and as highlighted here, while Rome burns...........
From a marketing viewpoint, the concentration of potential supporters has increased markedly within the QPR catchment area ( whatever that my be to different people ) but in the meantime our competitors, fishing in the same pool have probably swept them all up. In an unbiased world, who's choose QPR by choice?
Plus, theres a bit on an imbalance now, a 5* training facility, a "project" ( yes I know, another one ) to survive and "get back where we belong in The Premiership " ( don't shoot me I'm only the messenger) and at the same time a shitty ground predominantly suitable for dwarfs ..... | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 17:13 - Jul 18 with 2889 views | stainrods_elbow |
It isn't a lack of financial clout if we wanted to rebuild the ground (which doesn't/wouldn't count against FFP for FFS) - it's a lack of will, initiative, enterprise and soul, personified by our unfit-for-purpose CEO. The filthy windows for GA's post-season interview were, as I've pointed out, a small but significant symptom of the general malaise. Even if we had to buy up the housing and so forth to develop LR, the cost would be a small fraction of upping sticks. Not least because it's clear the Council (as well as the BBC) hates us, we'd do best, in my opinion, to thoroughly reexamine and recost this option going forwards. If the Loft end were converted back to standing, safe or otherwise, that would be a massive step in the right direction.
As the other poster points out, we're also the only club in London in this position with our ground, and you have to ask why that is. At the same time, I don't recall people maoning about legroom etc. during the hey-day of the mid-70s, the Venables era of the early 80s or when we were top team in London in the mid-90s - I certainly wasn't. Now people throw around phrases like 'unfit for purpose' like the Tories/New Labour do about 'viable' university courses. Times and perceptions change, I guess, and often for the worse. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 23:21]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 17:23 - Jul 18 with 2852 views | PunteR |
Re developing Loftus Road has to be financially viable in the long term doesnt it ?. Same with any building . Otherwise it just become run down and a money pit trying to maintain it. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 17:30 - Jul 18 with 2826 views | numptydumpty |
I can't see any viable reason not just financially why Loftus Road is possible to be extended ie heavily populated area and lack of easy access by road also.
Not feasible on any levels but I think the owners simply aren't into the project as much as other owners at other London clubs
In fact every single other London Club !!! [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 17:31]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 18:37 - Jul 18 with 2673 views | QPRConor2000 |
I think we cant rule out the owners redeveloping LR given the current impasse with the new stadium.
To be honest, a new stadium would be great and I think we all hope we can secure a site for one, but we have to keep a Loftus Road redevelopment on the table.
I personally think its starting to become more likely we opt down that route. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 18:53 - Jul 18 with 2626 views | Loyalitat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 17:30 - Jul 18 by numptydumpty |
I can't see any viable reason not just financially why Loftus Road is possible to be extended ie heavily populated area and lack of easy access by road also.
Not feasible on any levels but I think the owners simply aren't into the project as much as other owners at other London clubs
In fact every single other London Club !!! [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 17:31]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 19:06 - Jul 18 with 2558 views | silverbirch |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 16:04 - Jul 18 by QPRConor2000 |
I wonder if the club is already planning on redoing Loftus Road, hence why its gone quiet.
know its pretty unlikely, but I have found it interesting that Ruben said a while back on the Open all Rs podcast that they are looking at what to do with LR.
He talks about it between 9:00 and 13:00 mins.
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Digging down, probably | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:00 - Jul 18 with 2354 views | Hoopsie |
Keep Loftus Road, retrofit and upgrade seating and amenities to fit elves and hobbits - capacity may be down to 15000, install retractable roofing so stadium can be fully indoor
This stadium can be used for concerts, exhibitions, conferences, community engagements and weekly/bi monthly football matches for the u18, development squads, QPR ladies, and rugby, cricket
The owners could hardly profit by selling LR because you cannot do a multi density residential development, you need to incorporate a significant open space on the site for community use, that won’t attract potential developers to invest. Hence the dilemma of not knowing what to do
For the QPR first team? Find a site and build a new stadium, LC stadium, old oak, Heston, move out of w12, club has to explore all options. Hope we got the money. Isn’t there a report QPR is one of the wealthiest clubs per their owners net worth?? 🙏🏻 |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:20 - Jul 18 with 2213 views | ted_hendrix |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 17:23 - Jul 18 by PunteR |
Re developing Loftus Road has to be financially viable in the long term doesnt it ?. Same with any building . Otherwise it just become run down and a money pit trying to maintain it. |
It is currently a money pit and in poor condition It Is also (lets be honest) a great old stadium .
The day's of a 'lick of paint' are long gone next home game walk down Ellerslie Road and take a look up at the cladding and rainwater down-pipes they're in disrepair and clearly haven't been maintained.
Someone at high level will sooner or later have to make that very risky decision we've either gotta move or spend good money on an ageing and tired old building and remember this as a Championship club can you imagine spending say £2 Million on a much needed makeover (for want of a better word) and then getting relegated down to league One?
Thats's quite possible that could happen.
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:50 - Jul 18 with 2162 views | PunteR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:20 - Jul 18 by ted_hendrix |
It is currently a money pit and in poor condition It Is also (lets be honest) a great old stadium .
The day's of a 'lick of paint' are long gone next home game walk down Ellerslie Road and take a look up at the cladding and rainwater down-pipes they're in disrepair and clearly haven't been maintained.
Someone at high level will sooner or later have to make that very risky decision we've either gotta move or spend good money on an ageing and tired old building and remember this as a Championship club can you imagine spending say £2 Million on a much needed makeover (for want of a better word) and then getting relegated down to league One?
Thats's quite possible that could happen.
I wouldn't like to be running or owning a football club, no way. |
I went to see Barcelona play their last game at the current Nou Camp stadium couple of months back. Impressive stadium, just the size of it. But look closer and its a really run down building. 1980s style tiles in the loos, rusty pipes, and leaks. Seats old, weathered and cracking, . So it's all being teared down and building something else I think.
Not sure what my point is really other than it doesn't really matter about the history, nostalgia or whatever, you want a stadium that represents your club well. Not falling apart. One of the big gripes at Man U is the state of their ground and the Glaziers not spending any money on it.. ( lol) .
As owners they will have to make a decision on it one day. No escaping it. Is capacity the biggest priority ? Or just the match day comfort and experience.?
Be interesting to see how the training ground holds up over the next few years.
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:07 - Jul 19 with 4221 views | QPRConor2000 |
I wonder if its actually possible we could turn the school end and loft ends into single tier stands within the existing boundaries
you could keep the roof structure intact, but have something like modular seating inside the structure.
The benefit of this is that you could gain the benefit of making the school end more flexible in terms of segregation, so you could have ether one third of the stand to away fans, half the stand or the whole lot, so less seats would go empty.
Whilst it wouldn't increase capacity, I think it would help with the overall matchday experience. | | | |
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