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If we move outside the borough why would anyone bother to rent or hire non-match day facilities if it too far from central London? It makes more sense if it is closer to Heathrow but that would put us past the bus stop at Hounslow
Linford Christie Stadium. on 07:36 - Jun 27 by stevec
from memory, SAR was built to its maximum height allowance, given the proximity of White City Estate so no room for movement there.
I believe that’s also the case for the other three stands.
LR is a non starter.
if you want a 30,000 stadium it is a non starter but if we are happy with 18-20,000 with good facilities you could buy the school and rebuild Loftus Road a stand at a time
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:27 - Jun 27 with 4193 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:09 - Jun 27 by daveB
if you want a 30,000 stadium it is a non starter but if we are happy with 18-20,000 with good facilities you could buy the school and rebuild Loftus Road a stand at a time
Now that sounds good to me.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 07:42 - Jun 27 by davman
Aside from a general need to "modernise", I thought that the reason we "needed" to move was to generate non- match day income by hosting conferences and other events, but could not do that because there was no parking space and insufficient square area for meaningful conference space,
If that is the case, why haven't they built an area for all that at the training ground that we own?
This always gets mentioned by the club - well, back in the dim and distant past when they still talked about a new stadium as if it were a realistic possibility - but London is chock full of venues offering that sort of space. Every sports stadium, every museum, every hotel...what makes a hypothetical new QPR stadium such a great option in comparison? Outside of QPR fans it's unlikely that many people would choose to book a room there when so many other, more established, options are already available.
Realistically, the benefits of a new ground are; 1) a massive increase in hospitality (I think W12 & C Club combined hold about 300 people, which is tiny - you'd be looking at x5 that number), 2) a welcoming seat where you don't crush your knees during the game and can view the whole pitch, 3) the uplift in people buying food and drink, pre and post game, 4) a stadium that isn't falling apart and requires a lot of money just to keep it usable 5) the very occasional stadium event (football, rugby , concerts).
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:32 - Jun 27 with 3995 views
"but London is chock full of venues offering that sort of space"
I've said this before many times myself and I don't get the big fuss QPR make about it.
This isn't Burnley, where the local football ground is *the* venue. Or even Leicester where Tigers or City are *the* venues to have your do's that.
This is London, one of the biggest cities in the world, its not comparable in the slightest. Why bother trying to muscle into that market? You won't get anywhere.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:10 - Jun 27 with 3898 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:32 - Jun 27 by slmrstid
"but London is chock full of venues offering that sort of space"
I've said this before many times myself and I don't get the big fuss QPR make about it.
This isn't Burnley, where the local football ground is *the* venue. Or even Leicester where Tigers or City are *the* venues to have your do's that.
This is London, one of the biggest cities in the world, its not comparable in the slightest. Why bother trying to muscle into that market? You won't get anywhere.
Agree entirely.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:29 - Jun 27 with 3793 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:32 - Jun 27 by slmrstid
"but London is chock full of venues offering that sort of space"
I've said this before many times myself and I don't get the big fuss QPR make about it.
This isn't Burnley, where the local football ground is *the* venue. Or even Leicester where Tigers or City are *the* venues to have your do's that.
This is London, one of the biggest cities in the world, its not comparable in the slightest. Why bother trying to muscle into that market? You won't get anywhere.
you only have to walk 5 minutes up South Africa Road to find bundles of office and venue space available for hire
The only way to increase revenue in a stadium is better corporate facilities, improve the boxes, add more of them and improve the restaurant etc
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:46 - Jun 27 with 3706 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:29 - Jun 27 by daveB
you only have to walk 5 minutes up South Africa Road to find bundles of office and venue space available for hire
The only way to increase revenue in a stadium is better corporate facilities, improve the boxes, add more of them and improve the restaurant etc
There is a cachet with an event being held in a sporting venue. You only have to see how many corporate events are held at the Oval and the numbers of photos people take of the pitch, background, etc.
If I recall, I think LH said the club wanted to open up more space for the community as part of any new ground. There is a luck of public estate and by having a doctor surgery, community spaces to hire, etc it encourages people to come to the stadium outside of the football timetable. This is where the club grow the supporter base - connecting with people who wouldn't come to the club ordinarily but make a journey part of their everyday activity.
Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:09 - Jun 27 by daveB
if you want a 30,000 stadium it is a non starter but if we are happy with 18-20,000 with good facilities you could buy the school and rebuild Loftus Road a stand at a time
The houses and gardens in Imre Close at the back of the School End stand take up almost a third of that space. Even if we could buy the school, Imre Close would present a real challenge, and potentially an unresolvable one, to extending the Stadium.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:10 - Jun 27 with 3280 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:59 - Jun 27 by dmm
The houses and gardens in Imre Close at the back of the School End stand take up almost a third of that space. Even if we could buy the school, Imre Close would present a real challenge, and potentially an unresolvable one, to extending the Stadium.
So I was firmly in the 'we have to move to survive' camp when it looked like we could move to somewhere within walking distance of Shepherds Bush. But it is obvious Hammersmith & Foolham are not willing to move us anywhere within the borough. So its 2 options now ...
1. Try and modernize/expand Loftus road as best as poss. 2. Move out of the borough... preferably no further than Ealing but who knows it could be anywhere West of London?
Of the 2 options I'm now firmly in the option 1 camp. In my mind realistically here's what I think could be possible if money was made available.
Buy the School (or part of it) and do what Forest have done with their away stand (the one with NFFC written on it)...
Re-Build the SA Road Stand as big as poss. Lots of glass/clear plastic to allow 'right for light' for the White City flats. similar to the materials used in the Aviva stadium in Dublin. Remove the executive boxes from this Stand and make it 3 tiers.
The Stan Bowles stand is a Problem. You cant go up or back because it would overhang peoples back gardens and that would never get approval. So the solution is to have a few rows of seats at the front (as per current Paddocks) then have a double decker of boxes at the back... Similar to one of the stands at Palarse (less seats, and boxes a lot lower tho).
The Loft end would remain as it is.
So we loose a bit of capacity in the Stan Bowles but double the revenue from the Prawn Sandwich brigade. School end has about an extra 1500-ish capacity. 3 Tier SA Road Stand would have around an extra 4000 (extra tier on top and deeper lower tier because of boxes moving to the Stanley Bowles).
So I reckon 22 -23000 capacity, extra corporate and elimination of restricted views... sorted.
edit - just thought of another benefit of my master plan. All seats would now be covered apart from the first 7-8 rows of the Loft.
[Post edited 17 Jul 2023 23:22]
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:14 - Jul 17 with 2477 views
"Buy the school", "buy the houses in ER/LR" etc. Easy that.
What if people don't want to sell? Although everything has it's price a school doesn't fall in that category as it's providing a community service, and not a normal school at that as it's a school for 2-19 year old with a range of severe learning difficulties including profound and multiple learning difficulties.
'Community' is something QPR are good at doing so why destroy something else like that for our own needs?
If modernising LR is all we are left with then expect a reduced capacity if they go about it one stand at a time in order to fulfil modern regulations as well as expected needs for changing rooms, manager's room, match officials room, match day media facilities etc. I reckon we'd be left with a circa 17k stadium.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:31 - Jul 17 with 2301 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:14 - Jul 17 by Juzzie
"Buy the school", "buy the houses in ER/LR" etc. Easy that.
What if people don't want to sell? Although everything has it's price a school doesn't fall in that category as it's providing a community service, and not a normal school at that as it's a school for 2-19 year old with a range of severe learning difficulties including profound and multiple learning difficulties.
'Community' is something QPR are good at doing so why destroy something else like that for our own needs?
If modernising LR is all we are left with then expect a reduced capacity if they go about it one stand at a time in order to fulfil modern regulations as well as expected needs for changing rooms, manager's room, match officials room, match day media facilities etc. I reckon we'd be left with a circa 17k stadium.
Surely it's easier to relocate a school then a football ground?. That would be my solution.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:55 - Jul 17 with 2104 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:27 - Jul 17 by Rs_Holy
So I was firmly in the 'we have to move to survive' camp when it looked like we could move to somewhere within walking distance of Shepherds Bush. But it is obvious Hammersmith & Foolham are not willing to move us anywhere within the borough. So its 2 options now ...
1. Try and modernize/expand Loftus road as best as poss. 2. Move out of the borough... preferably no further than Ealing but who knows it could be anywhere West of London?
Of the 2 options I'm now firmly in the option 1 camp. In my mind realistically here's what I think could be possible if money was made available.
Buy the School (or part of it) and do what Forest have done with their away stand (the one with NFFC written on it)...
Re-Build the SA Road Stand as big as poss. Lots of glass/clear plastic to allow 'right for light' for the White City flats. similar to the materials used in the Aviva stadium in Dublin. Remove the executive boxes from this Stand and make it 3 tiers.
The Stan Bowles stand is a Problem. You cant go up or back because it would overhang peoples back gardens and that would never get approval. So the solution is to have a few rows of seats at the front (as per current Paddocks) then have a double decker of boxes at the back... Similar to one of the stands at Palarse (less seats, and boxes a lot lower tho).
The Loft end would remain as it is.
So we loose a bit of capacity in the Stan Bowles but double the revenue from the Prawn Sandwich brigade. School end has about an extra 1500-ish capacity. 3 Tier SA Road Stand would have around an extra 4000 (extra tier on top and deeper lower tier because of boxes moving to the Stanley Bowles).
So I reckon 22 -23000 capacity, extra corporate and elimination of restricted views... sorted.
edit - just thought of another benefit of my master plan. All seats would now be covered apart from the first 7-8 rows of the Loft.
[Post edited 17 Jul 2023 23:22]
The Board are done with LR as a viable option. No matter how you review the options they are all unworkable. The current facility is beyond maintaining and is bleeding money just to keep it operational and that is well documented. The only option is a relocation, but that’s difficult in the current W12 postcode. LCS still remains a good option, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Board are done with the various interested parties not engaging in meaningful discussions. At some point there has to be some proposals on what is possible: 1. Be patient and pursue LCS. 2. Relocate westward towards Heathrow or M40 corridor.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:13 - Jul 17 with 2005 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:12 - Jul 17 by BostonR
The Board are done with LR as a viable option. No matter how you review the options they are all unworkable. The current facility is beyond maintaining and is bleeding money just to keep it operational and that is well documented. The only option is a relocation, but that’s difficult in the current W12 postcode. LCS still remains a good option, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Board are done with the various interested parties not engaging in meaningful discussions. At some point there has to be some proposals on what is possible: 1. Be patient and pursue LCS. 2. Relocate westward towards Heathrow or M40 corridor.
the big fear is it will be option 2....
It would just be another Mad-JetSki/Macron/Ricoh type stadium.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:53 - Jul 17 with 1829 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:27 - Jul 17 by Rs_Holy
So I was firmly in the 'we have to move to survive' camp when it looked like we could move to somewhere within walking distance of Shepherds Bush. But it is obvious Hammersmith & Foolham are not willing to move us anywhere within the borough. So its 2 options now ...
1. Try and modernize/expand Loftus road as best as poss. 2. Move out of the borough... preferably no further than Ealing but who knows it could be anywhere West of London?
Of the 2 options I'm now firmly in the option 1 camp. In my mind realistically here's what I think could be possible if money was made available.
Buy the School (or part of it) and do what Forest have done with their away stand (the one with NFFC written on it)...
Re-Build the SA Road Stand as big as poss. Lots of glass/clear plastic to allow 'right for light' for the White City flats. similar to the materials used in the Aviva stadium in Dublin. Remove the executive boxes from this Stand and make it 3 tiers.
The Stan Bowles stand is a Problem. You cant go up or back because it would overhang peoples back gardens and that would never get approval. So the solution is to have a few rows of seats at the front (as per current Paddocks) then have a double decker of boxes at the back... Similar to one of the stands at Palarse (less seats, and boxes a lot lower tho).
The Loft end would remain as it is.
So we loose a bit of capacity in the Stan Bowles but double the revenue from the Prawn Sandwich brigade. School end has about an extra 1500-ish capacity. 3 Tier SA Road Stand would have around an extra 4000 (extra tier on top and deeper lower tier because of boxes moving to the Stanley Bowles).
So I reckon 22 -23000 capacity, extra corporate and elimination of restricted views... sorted.
edit - just thought of another benefit of my master plan. All seats would now be covered apart from the first 7-8 rows of the Loft.
[Post edited 17 Jul 2023 23:22]
Brilliant
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:01 - Jul 17 with 3887 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:55 - Jul 17 by Juzzie
What if they don't WANT to relocate? MAybe it might not suit the needs of the children or families?
Why do we always assume we should be better?
Well just on the assumption they haven't asked the school yet. Obviously if they don't want to move for whatever reason then we go in tough, start a bit heavy handed tactics like putting the windows in and setting fire to the parents cars.
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