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Linford Christie Stadium. on 20:29 - Nov 4 by ParkRoyalR
Respectfully disagree. If existing South Africa Road stand is extended over the existing pavement at 1st, 2nd 3rd Floor Levels as current elevation, I believe we could accommodate all of the above plus reinstate rail seating to South Africa Road lower tier and get our capacity up to circa 22/23k.
With numerous road closures in Wormholt adjacent, another option would be to reduce the current unnecessarily wide South Africa Road (or even partially close as it is lightly used cut-through that Councils are currently keen to close) to provide a bigger footprint for us, maybe even moving the pitch a couple of feet to create a bit more space in front of the Ellerslie Road stand.
With your suggestions, you may squeeze another 4K on the capacity and improve the facilities in SAR but this is all rather missing the point that the stadium will still only be used twenty three days a year and laying idle the rest of the time, still having crap facilities in the rest of the ground and still costing a small fortune to maintain.
Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:44 - Nov 4 by CamberleyR
With your suggestions, you may squeeze another 4K on the capacity and improve the facilities in SAR but this is all rather missing the point that the stadium will still only be used twenty three days a year and laying idle the rest of the time, still having crap facilities in the rest of the ground and still costing a small fortune to maintain.
Guessing but sure facilities can be improved in other 3 stands (or Lower Loft could access South Africa Lower facilities as in the days of in-game stand 'transfers') plus how many outdoor events are there to go round, Premier League income dwarfs hosting a Barry McGuigan type fight or an NFL game. Ground sharing with a Wasps (or Ealing Trailfinders) is most realistic option if we can improve our facilities as above. Our location is in our favour.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:10 - Nov 4 with 5028 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:07 - Nov 4 by ParkRoyalR
Guessing but sure facilities can be improved in other 3 stands (or Lower Loft could access South Africa Lower facilities as in the days of in-game stand 'transfers') plus how many outdoor events are there to go round, Premier League income dwarfs hosting a Barry McGuigan type fight or an NFL game. Ground sharing with a Wasps (or Ealing Trailfinders) is most realistic option if we can improve our facilities as above. Our location is in our favour.
Get rid of the exec boxes and go back to how the paddock used to be would get capacity to around 20k that’s about it . Expanding East Acton station as surrounded by houses and not enough room to expand it with out CPO being used on them houses , local residents will also kick off big time if we was to try . This isn’t going to happen anytime soon so no point getting excited or upset about it , board screwed up big time and we are looking at the second worst option Aval after the car giant fiasco
Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:07 - Nov 4 by ParkRoyalR
Guessing but sure facilities can be improved in other 3 stands (or Lower Loft could access South Africa Lower facilities as in the days of in-game stand 'transfers') plus how many outdoor events are there to go round, Premier League income dwarfs hosting a Barry McGuigan type fight or an NFL game. Ground sharing with a Wasps (or Ealing Trailfinders) is most realistic option if we can improve our facilities as above. Our location is in our favour.
Generating non matchday income from the stadium is more than just hosting a one off boxing or NFL match. Having conferencing facilities is important. These can be used every day of the week and not just by businesses hosting corporate events but by people hosting wedding receptions/birthday parties etc.
Davman mentioned earlier in the thread about being at St Mary's during the Euros where 400 people were in one of their suites with table service watching the England/Scotland game. How much would that have netted Southampton? At a rough guess a minimum £25k I reckon and that's just a one night event. We haven't even got anywhere within the ground where we can hold our POTY dinner.
Interesting(ish) discussion on here regarding the possible expansion of Newcastles East Stand. Probably trickier for them to do that than for QPR to extend the SAR stand??? They interview the owner of the listed building directly behind the stand (4 minutes in) and he seems willing to sit down with the Newcastle owners and council and to discuss options for maintaining’right for light’ whilst still expanding… Seems to have his head screwed on as he realises the benefits a larger stadium would bring to the area… Helps that he’s a Newcastle fan tho.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:07 - Jun 25 with 4113 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:05 - Jun 25 by Rs_Holy
Interesting(ish) discussion on here regarding the possible expansion of Newcastles East Stand. Probably trickier for them to do that than for QPR to extend the SAR stand??? They interview the owner of the listed building directly behind the stand (4 minutes in) and he seems willing to sit down with the Newcastle owners and council and to discuss options for maintaining’right for light’ whilst still expanding… Seems to have his head screwed on as he realises the benefits a larger stadium would bring to the area… Helps that he’s a Newcastle fan tho.
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Given that those building are listed and they're nice looking buildings, if Newcastle had any sense they'd find a way of incorporating them into a new stand being built, entrance to and incorporating hospitality perhaps, it would add character.
Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:07 - Jun 25 by MedwayR
Given that those building are listed and they're nice looking buildings, if Newcastle had any sense they'd find a way of incorporating them into a new stand being built, entrance to and incorporating hospitality perhaps, it would add character.
I personally think the option of us perhaps working with Ealing Trailfinders and building a new stadium on their current site could make sense.
They could opt to groundshare with us at LR for 3 or 4 years, whilst their current site is redeveloped, and then we move with them.
think on their current site, we could get 20k-25k.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:04 - Jun 25 with 3696 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:44 - Nov 4 by CamberleyR
With your suggestions, you may squeeze another 4K on the capacity and improve the facilities in SAR but this is all rather missing the point that the stadium will still only be used twenty three days a year and laying idle the rest of the time, still having crap facilities in the rest of the ground and still costing a small fortune to maintain.
Why not incorporate shops inside the "tunnel",in an arcade type environment?Like the ones at Bristol Temple Meads station.
Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:07 - Jun 25 by MedwayR
Given that those building are listed and they're nice looking buildings, if Newcastle had any sense they'd find a way of incorporating them into a new stand being built, entrance to and incorporating hospitality perhaps, it would add character.
Those buildings are good looking. The street though is half the width of the South Africa Rd, really can't see any way of expanding that side without demolition.
For those who've only experienced Newcastle on a match day, it's worth a trip up when the fans aren't around. Take a wander through that part of town. The Leazes is a wonderfully maintained park.
Adding extra capacity on such a crowded footprint brings other issues into play. How easily can you evacuate in an emergency, e.g. Bradford fire. Removing exec boxes to allow 2_3000 extra fans paying bottom prices doesnt make economic sense.
I cant see anything other than a complete change of site.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:29 - Jun 26 with 2420 views
to be fair you have got four or five stations within about a mile or two mile radius as well as buses, so public transport might not actually be too much of an issue.
Im surprised the club havent looked at this more, its in an area where loads of QPR Fans are, and Ealing rugby club need a redeveloped ground too.
surely it makes sense for both of us to form some kind of partnership and redevelop it into a multi-purpose venue for both clubs to use, 20k could be feasible.
Are there any other sites that we could look at? surely there are some the club could be looking at outside w12
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:25 - Jun 27 with 2166 views
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the CEO needs to follow Les out of the building so we can start again with making a thorough, open-minded and professionally engaged re-evalution of the site development potential of Loftus Road, with full fan consultation, before any further overtures are made in respect of Linford Christie or anything else. Though I would much prefer we stay at LR for reasons I have explained multiple times - the most important one being the preservation of the 'soul' of the club, now that football has sold it in virtually all other particulars - I'm not (quite) such a nostalgic that I wouldn't be prepared to listen to the case for redevelopment elsewhere. Nevertheless, the case for such remains contestable.
Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:25 - Jun 27 by stainrods_elbow
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the CEO needs to follow Les out of the building so we can start again with making a thorough, open-minded and professionally engaged re-evalution of the site development potential of Loftus Road, with full fan consultation, before any further overtures are made in respect of Linford Christie or anything else. Though I would much prefer we stay at LR for reasons I have explained multiple times - the most important one being the preservation of the 'soul' of the club, now that football has sold it in virtually all other particulars - I'm not (quite) such a nostalgic that I wouldn't be prepared to listen to the case for redevelopment elsewhere. Nevertheless, the case for such remains contestable.
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from memory, SAR was built to its maximum height allowance, given the proximity of White City Estate so no room for movement there.
I believe that’s also the case for the other three stands.
LR is a non starter.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 07:39 - Jun 27 with 4739 views
Aside from a general need to "modernise", I thought that the reason we "needed" to move was to generate non- match day income by hosting conferences and other events, but could not do that because there was no parking space and insufficient square area for meaningful conference space,
If that is the case, why haven't they built an area for all that at the training ground that we own?
If we move outside the borough why would anyone bother to rent or hire non-match day facilities if it too far from central London? It makes more sense if it is closer to Heathrow but that would put us past the bus stop at Hounslow
Linford Christie Stadium. on 07:36 - Jun 27 by stevec
from memory, SAR was built to its maximum height allowance, given the proximity of White City Estate so no room for movement there.
I believe that’s also the case for the other three stands.
LR is a non starter.
if you want a 30,000 stadium it is a non starter but if we are happy with 18-20,000 with good facilities you could buy the school and rebuild Loftus Road a stand at a time
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:27 - Jun 27 with 4394 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:09 - Jun 27 by daveB
if you want a 30,000 stadium it is a non starter but if we are happy with 18-20,000 with good facilities you could buy the school and rebuild Loftus Road a stand at a time
Now that sounds good to me.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 07:42 - Jun 27 by davman
Aside from a general need to "modernise", I thought that the reason we "needed" to move was to generate non- match day income by hosting conferences and other events, but could not do that because there was no parking space and insufficient square area for meaningful conference space,
If that is the case, why haven't they built an area for all that at the training ground that we own?
This always gets mentioned by the club - well, back in the dim and distant past when they still talked about a new stadium as if it were a realistic possibility - but London is chock full of venues offering that sort of space. Every sports stadium, every museum, every hotel...what makes a hypothetical new QPR stadium such a great option in comparison? Outside of QPR fans it's unlikely that many people would choose to book a room there when so many other, more established, options are already available.
Realistically, the benefits of a new ground are; 1) a massive increase in hospitality (I think W12 & C Club combined hold about 300 people, which is tiny - you'd be looking at x5 that number), 2) a welcoming seat where you don't crush your knees during the game and can view the whole pitch, 3) the uplift in people buying food and drink, pre and post game, 4) a stadium that isn't falling apart and requires a lot of money just to keep it usable 5) the very occasional stadium event (football, rugby , concerts).
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:32 - Jun 27 with 4196 views
"but London is chock full of venues offering that sort of space"
I've said this before many times myself and I don't get the big fuss QPR make about it.
This isn't Burnley, where the local football ground is *the* venue. Or even Leicester where Tigers or City are *the* venues to have your do's that.
This is London, one of the biggest cities in the world, its not comparable in the slightest. Why bother trying to muscle into that market? You won't get anywhere.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:10 - Jun 27 with 4099 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:32 - Jun 27 by slmrstid
"but London is chock full of venues offering that sort of space"
I've said this before many times myself and I don't get the big fuss QPR make about it.
This isn't Burnley, where the local football ground is *the* venue. Or even Leicester where Tigers or City are *the* venues to have your do's that.
This is London, one of the biggest cities in the world, its not comparable in the slightest. Why bother trying to muscle into that market? You won't get anywhere.
Agree entirely.
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:29 - Jun 27 with 3994 views
Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:32 - Jun 27 by slmrstid
"but London is chock full of venues offering that sort of space"
I've said this before many times myself and I don't get the big fuss QPR make about it.
This isn't Burnley, where the local football ground is *the* venue. Or even Leicester where Tigers or City are *the* venues to have your do's that.
This is London, one of the biggest cities in the world, its not comparable in the slightest. Why bother trying to muscle into that market? You won't get anywhere.
you only have to walk 5 minutes up South Africa Road to find bundles of office and venue space available for hire
The only way to increase revenue in a stadium is better corporate facilities, improve the boxes, add more of them and improve the restaurant etc
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