| Time to go Jim. The turning point 16:36 - Feb 22 with 21521 views | ThreeLions |
Losing to the team on top and in form is no great shame but the way you do it by playing absolute dross is clearly on show this afternoon. Today has to be the turning point that the owners see it's not working and we need a change if we are to save the season.
Crowds are falling, the players look totally demotivated and drained of any spark they once held. I've given him a bit longer to sort it out after him sticking with us last season when we were on the brink of nonexistence but you can't run a football team off the past and the current and future holds more importance.
Thanks for everything Jim we appreciate it but it's just not working. |  | | |  |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 03:14 - Mar 12 with 1897 views | dawlishdale |
Been overseas for a couple of weeks, so not seen the last few games, but certainly I've been delighted with our recent results and form. Long may it continue. I've arranged to view the flat cap Derby with an Oldham fan on Saturday. Hopefully we can continue our recent good form.
A big thanks to Jim for the turnaround .
Up the Dale. |  | | |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 04:53 - Mar 12 with 1822 views | TalkingSutty |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 00:34 - Mar 12 by Sandyman |
What a turnaround! We've seen some boring, ineffectual performances this campaign. Recently, Dale have been very effective. Last night in particular we were wonderfully entertained. Several people on this forum have said for months that we have the players to be a really competetive team at this level but they weren't being managed well. Recent games have seen a change few expected in that respect. Jim and the lads have certainly found their mojo now, and it is a joy to watch. Thank you. More of the same, please.
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The implosion of the pitch has seen a upturn in performances and results at the COA. Less overplaying in our own half and a bit more route one and get the ball forward quicker? Our opponents seem to be more fatigued than we do. Criticism of performances and results was justified and we are in the results business. Since the turn of the year we had been in relegation form. Results over the last 10 days stopped the rot and the inclusion of Barlow and Bird in the team have given us a fresh dynamic in the final third. Can we just let the players attack at Oldham and not see them bogged down with tactical nonsense. If we see that then i think the penny will have finally dropped.
We've been our own worst enemy in a lot of games this season and over complicated the game. The Ogdens have provided Jim with the tools to claim a play off spot, let's stop looking for excuses to fail (tiredness, pitch, budgets) and let our opponents do the worrying. The squad is relatively fit and healthy and it's a good squad compared to a lot of clubs in this league. McNulty and his style of play divides opinion but the facts are that he is only two wins away from being the first manager in our history to win a meaningful trophy at Wembley. Not even Keith Hill did that. [Post edited 12 Mar 7:49]
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 06:09 - Mar 12 with 1695 views | rochedale |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 22:25 - Mar 11 by DenbighshireDale |
Placename Dale here. I'm delighted with being wrong! Long may it continue. |
Placename Dale here. I too am delighted with the current form. Let’s hope it continues to the end of the season! |  |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 06:36 - Mar 12 with 1636 views | kel |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 06:09 - Mar 12 by rochedale |
Placename Dale here. I too am delighted with the current form. Let’s hope it continues to the end of the season! |
Place name? Strange lie to tell to make it all about you. Sorry to shatter that ego of yours but you didn’t even cross my mind.
Btw, had a look at the Altrincham forum this morning to see their views on the game. Just making sure you’re aware as I know you like to monitor the forums I read. |  |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 07:00 - Mar 12 with 1582 views | rochedale |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 06:36 - Mar 12 by kel |
Place name? Strange lie to tell to make it all about you. Sorry to shatter that ego of yours but you didn’t even cross my mind.
Btw, had a look at the Altrincham forum this morning to see their views on the game. Just making sure you’re aware as I know you like to monitor the forums I read. |
I didn’t think it was, as I haven’t had a go at Jim, but I know how you like to aim digs at me so I thought I’d get it in rather than being accused of ‘conveniently ignoring’.
Each to their own re going on other forums, I’ve done it once or twice, it’s sometimes good to get another teams perspective. | |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 07:41 - Mar 12 with 1434 views | Rodingdale |
Jim, the players and directors got some brutal fan feedback at the final whistle at the Barnet game. The thoughts of some of those providing the verbal feedback, prompted by Jim applauding the sandy after the game, led to this thread and the views articulated by many. Maybe the response led to a change of plan from Jim, maybe the improved form was going to happen anyway, maybe the fan reaction gave rise to a discussion between Jim and the board, leading to the signing of Bird. Our upturn in form is remarkable and I hope it continues. Seems in adversity the team and squad has gelled and we now seem to be a team that can defend and score goals. I hope it continues. But for me, it will need to continue for some time for me to regain belief in McNulty - such has been the boring dross that I’ve often witnessed under his tenure.
I know the club does read this messageboard because I hear staff referring to it and responding to points made on here; the club issue statements reactively following criticism of poor communication. It’s right the club, and any business monitors social media, filtering is required, but it’s a valuable source of customer feedback. Things get better because people call things out. In my view and the view of others expressed on this messageboard the Trust is a busted flush and in the absence of a formal club customer feedback process, this messageboard, twitter etc are used for people to express their views, freely. Fans have different perspectives, I'm an exiled fan, only able to attend games monthly. My perspective is influenced by what I experience as a customer of the club, and having traveled 460 mile round trips - twice, for games that were late postponed, not everyone will feel like I do. When the other time is the Barnet game, you get an idea of the source of some of my personal frustration. What I see as a problem, someone else might see as fine - that’s life. My starting position though is that I’m frustrated that that we lost our league status, our little old Rochdale punching above our weight, but we balance the books - has gone. Partly yes, because the economics of the game have changed, but in our case also because of mismanagement, in the first instance malevolent; and in my view in the second instance incompetence. I still believe that as a club with a ground a capable of holding 10,000 people, 70% empty - in a town our size - that putting ANY obstacle in the way of filling a seat is a missed opportunity. I’ve lost count of the number times I’ve wanted a pie, a programme, a ticket, a shirt, a hat - been turned away - cash back in my pocket.
It’s taken time, but the new ownership seem to be turning the supertanker and a lot of what has been called out on here has started to be addressed, and I’ve welcomed those changes. Hopefully the existential issues are behind us, but that doesn’t mean views on smaller things aren’t required. In my view as a club, and as a fan base - we should never shy away from wanting to be better. [Post edited 12 Mar 7:58]
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 07:55 - Mar 12 with 1378 views | 442Dale |
The manager has not and will not (I don’t think) change his philosophy. The discussions all season long have been about how effective that philosophy can be. There have been examples from pre season and throughout the whole campaign that it can be very effective. Even last night we saw the ball being knocked about at the back and in semi-dangerous situations, with Hogan standing on the ball waiting for an option. It’s that we then went forward and scored three.
The facts are he’s overseen a successful season so far in terms of results and unfortunately if we now lose a couple there will be criticism, some of it deserved. It’s all about extremes based on the facts and it’s whether those facts matter as much as emotion at times. That’s football I suppose. |  |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:03 - Mar 12 with 1337 views | TalkingSutty |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 07:55 - Mar 12 by 442Dale |
The manager has not and will not (I don’t think) change his philosophy. The discussions all season long have been about how effective that philosophy can be. There have been examples from pre season and throughout the whole campaign that it can be very effective. Even last night we saw the ball being knocked about at the back and in semi-dangerous situations, with Hogan standing on the ball waiting for an option. It’s that we then went forward and scored three.
The facts are he’s overseen a successful season so far in terms of results and unfortunately if we now lose a couple there will be criticism, some of it deserved. It’s all about extremes based on the facts and it’s whether those facts matter as much as emotion at times. That’s football I suppose. |
When you're throwing in displays like we did against Ebsfleet, Oldham and Barnet the criticism is deserved. Some of the displays would send a glass eye to sleep and the criticism is justified. I need to stop listening to McNultys interviews because even last night he was suggesting that the poor run of form we have been on has been down to us not putting the ball in the net but the performances have been decent. The fans aren't daft, some of the performances have been shocking at home, devoid of very little attacking threat. Four wins on the spin doesnt change what happened over the previous couple of months and the fans, even those in the Sandy Lane, had seen enough after the Barnet surrender. Full credit for the response since though, they've been great over the last four home games. [Post edited 12 Mar 8:15]
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:03 - Mar 12 with 1335 views | kel |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 07:41 - Mar 12 by Rodingdale |
Jim, the players and directors got some brutal fan feedback at the final whistle at the Barnet game. The thoughts of some of those providing the verbal feedback, prompted by Jim applauding the sandy after the game, led to this thread and the views articulated by many. Maybe the response led to a change of plan from Jim, maybe the improved form was going to happen anyway, maybe the fan reaction gave rise to a discussion between Jim and the board, leading to the signing of Bird. Our upturn in form is remarkable and I hope it continues. Seems in adversity the team and squad has gelled and we now seem to be a team that can defend and score goals. I hope it continues. But for me, it will need to continue for some time for me to regain belief in McNulty - such has been the boring dross that I’ve often witnessed under his tenure.
I know the club does read this messageboard because I hear staff referring to it and responding to points made on here; the club issue statements reactively following criticism of poor communication. It’s right the club, and any business monitors social media, filtering is required, but it’s a valuable source of customer feedback. Things get better because people call things out. In my view and the view of others expressed on this messageboard the Trust is a busted flush and in the absence of a formal club customer feedback process, this messageboard, twitter etc are used for people to express their views, freely. Fans have different perspectives, I'm an exiled fan, only able to attend games monthly. My perspective is influenced by what I experience as a customer of the club, and having traveled 460 mile round trips - twice, for games that were late postponed, not everyone will feel like I do. When the other time is the Barnet game, you get an idea of the source of some of my personal frustration. What I see as a problem, someone else might see as fine - that’s life. My starting position though is that I’m frustrated that that we lost our league status, our little old Rochdale punching above our weight, but we balance the books - has gone. Partly yes, because the economics of the game have changed, but in our case also because of mismanagement, in the first instance malevolent; and in my view in the second instance incompetence. I still believe that as a club with a ground a capable of holding 10,000 people, 70% empty - in a town our size - that putting ANY obstacle in the way of filling a seat is a missed opportunity. I’ve lost count of the number times I’ve wanted a pie, a programme, a ticket, a shirt, a hat - been turned away - cash back in my pocket.
It’s taken time, but the new ownership seem to be turning the supertanker and a lot of what has been called out on here has started to be addressed, and I’ve welcomed those changes. Hopefully the existential issues are behind us, but that doesn’t mean views on smaller things aren’t required. In my view as a club, and as a fan base - we should never shy away from wanting to be better. [Post edited 12 Mar 7:58]
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Good post and you’ve articulated your points really well.
It’s far more insightful than people making lazy claims like others are “clueless” or “know everything” because their views are challenged. | |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:16 - Mar 12 with 1248 views | 442Dale |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:03 - Mar 12 by TalkingSutty |
When you're throwing in displays like we did against Ebsfleet, Oldham and Barnet the criticism is deserved. Some of the displays would send a glass eye to sleep and the criticism is justified. I need to stop listening to McNultys interviews because even last night he was suggesting that the poor run of form we have been on has been down to us not putting the ball in the net but the performances have been decent. The fans aren't daft, some of the performances have been shocking at home, devoid of very little attacking threat. Four wins on the spin doesnt change what happened over the previous couple of months and the fans, even those in the Sandy Lane, had seen enough after the Barnet surrender. Full credit for the response since though, they've been great over the last four home games. [Post edited 12 Mar 8:15]
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Totally deserved criticism and McNulty would have been in big trouble if we’d gone out of the Trophy and then lost to Gateshead. However, amongst those poor displays at home there’s been some great wins this season and after years of shocking results at Spotland, we now have a team with fourth best home record in the division. | |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:17 - Mar 12 with 1249 views | Daleaholic |
I'll hold my hands up too, I wanted McNulty gone after that Barnet game but it's been an excellent turnaround.
I think the fan response was justified at the end of that match and do think it may have sparked some kind of fire inside McNulty and the team. Until then, it was just grumbles and groans rather than audible displeasure/annoyance.
The games since have been positive, direct and attacking. Fair play to Jim for his substitutions and line ups which have been spot on.
I can forgive a learning manager if they're willing to try different players and tactics but blindly sticking to the same philosophy with the same players could easily have had him out of a job.
Let's hope this form continues and we can get a result down the road on Saturday! |  |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:30 - Mar 12 with 1168 views | EllDale |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:17 - Mar 12 by Daleaholic |
I'll hold my hands up too, I wanted McNulty gone after that Barnet game but it's been an excellent turnaround.
I think the fan response was justified at the end of that match and do think it may have sparked some kind of fire inside McNulty and the team. Until then, it was just grumbles and groans rather than audible displeasure/annoyance.
The games since have been positive, direct and attacking. Fair play to Jim for his substitutions and line ups which have been spot on.
I can forgive a learning manager if they're willing to try different players and tactics but blindly sticking to the same philosophy with the same players could easily have had him out of a job.
Let's hope this form continues and we can get a result down the road on Saturday! |
He seemed to change tactics quite effectively last night once Dale had gone 2-0 up and some subs had been made.
Just after the introduction of Mitchell there was a stoppage in play and BJ brought Waller over to the touchine and from his gesticulations seemed to be telling him to “go long” which is exactly what happened when Mitchell scored the third. | | | |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:31 - Mar 12 with 1164 views | TalkingSutty |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:16 - Mar 12 by 442Dale |
Totally deserved criticism and McNulty would have been in big trouble if we’d gone out of the Trophy and then lost to Gateshead. However, amongst those poor displays at home there’s been some great wins this season and after years of shocking results at Spotland, we now have a team with fourth best home record in the division. |
Good point, yes we are finally seeing us win games at home. McNultys biggest achievement is the way he has organised us defensively. We have momentum now and we need to take the game to Oldham, if we do that i see us winning. It's about time the team turned up for a local derby and i include the manager in that. It's simple against Oldham, just stop Fondop. I think Hogan needs to keep his head also, we don't need any red cards. | | | |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:44 - Mar 12 with 1109 views | rochedale |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:16 - Mar 12 by 442Dale |
Totally deserved criticism and McNulty would have been in big trouble if we’d gone out of the Trophy and then lost to Gateshead. However, amongst those poor displays at home there’s been some great wins this season and after years of shocking results at Spotland, we now have a team with fourth best home record in the division. |
And best defence in the division!🙌 | |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:49 - Mar 12 with 1076 views | rochedale |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:31 - Mar 12 by TalkingSutty |
Good point, yes we are finally seeing us win games at home. McNultys biggest achievement is the way he has organised us defensively. We have momentum now and we need to take the game to Oldham, if we do that i see us winning. It's about time the team turned up for a local derby and i include the manager in that. It's simple against Oldham, just stop Fondop. I think Hogan needs to keep his head also, we don't need any red cards. |
Will be tough on Saturday, as we all know. More so now they’ve got Norwood back and a new striker on loan from Fleetwood. | |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 09:03 - Mar 12 with 1008 views | kel |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 08:49 - Mar 12 by rochedale |
Will be tough on Saturday, as we all know. More so now they’ve got Norwood back and a new striker on loan from Fleetwood. |
He’s a permanent signing which also covers a question from DDB about signing EFL players outside their window. | |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 09:05 - Mar 12 with 996 views | rochedale |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 09:03 - Mar 12 by kel |
He’s a permanent signing which also covers a question from DDB about signing EFL players outside their window. |
My error, you are correct. | |
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 09:59 - Mar 12 with 829 views | Duckegg |
Without Rodney in the starting 11 and with Bird playing Dale look a better team.
Im not slating Rodney but he just does not look right at all..
We have seen him easily pushed off the ball, he does not seem to get a foot in and his ball control has been poor.
I would not be surprised that after being out with whatever was wrong with him last season has caught up with him as this season progresses..... |  | | |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 10:31 - Mar 12 with 701 views | TalkingSutty |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 09:59 - Mar 12 by Duckegg |
Without Rodney in the starting 11 and with Bird playing Dale look a better team.
Im not slating Rodney but he just does not look right at all..
We have seen him easily pushed off the ball, he does not seem to get a foot in and his ball control has been poor.
I would not be surprised that after being out with whatever was wrong with him last season has caught up with him as this season progresses..... |
Good point about Rodney because when he's on his game he's talented, we only see it in fits and starts now though. Birds been a good signing but i think Barlow is just as influential since he came back into the team. He reminds me a little bit of Chris Dagnall with his low centre of gravity and the way he runs with the ball at pace. He's a great link up playing between the midfield and the central striker. [Post edited 12 Mar 10:33]
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| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 11:59 - Mar 12 with 483 views | Duckegg |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 10:31 - Mar 12 by TalkingSutty |
Good point about Rodney because when he's on his game he's talented, we only see it in fits and starts now though. Birds been a good signing but i think Barlow is just as influential since he came back into the team. He reminds me a little bit of Chris Dagnall with his low centre of gravity and the way he runs with the ball at pace. He's a great link up playing between the midfield and the central striker. [Post edited 12 Mar 10:33]
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The similarity between Barlow and Dagnall never crossed my mind but now you mention it yes there is.... | | | |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 12:34 - Mar 12 with 357 views | sooty_dale |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 10:31 - Mar 12 by TalkingSutty |
Good point about Rodney because when he's on his game he's talented, we only see it in fits and starts now though. Birds been a good signing but i think Barlow is just as influential since he came back into the team. He reminds me a little bit of Chris Dagnall with his low centre of gravity and the way he runs with the ball at pace. He's a great link up playing between the midfield and the central striker. [Post edited 12 Mar 10:33]
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I said to my mate that he's like a national league David Silva! |  | | |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 13:12 - Mar 12 with 222 views | ramsdale |
Seeing this thread after the past 12 days or so feels quite bizarre, however, every single point raised was valid.
We're in an ultra-reactive period of history full-stop, nevermind when it comes to something as passion-driven as football. That being said it took watching hours upon hours of drivel for me to finally believe it was time for a change.
Was I wrong and am I glad we didn't make a change? Yes, but we can't pretend like Jim is doing some sort of miracle work now we've finally hit some form. That might sound harsh given the position we're in but we have one of the best teams in the league that for the majority of the season has been under-performing largely due to the instructions they've been given.
This group now has the chance to create history and could be the spark to usher in a genuine new era at the football club. | | | |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 13:43 - Mar 12 with 148 views | D_Alien |
| Time to go Jim. The turning point on 13:12 - Mar 12 by ramsdale |
Seeing this thread after the past 12 days or so feels quite bizarre, however, every single point raised was valid.
We're in an ultra-reactive period of history full-stop, nevermind when it comes to something as passion-driven as football. That being said it took watching hours upon hours of drivel for me to finally believe it was time for a change.
Was I wrong and am I glad we didn't make a change? Yes, but we can't pretend like Jim is doing some sort of miracle work now we've finally hit some form. That might sound harsh given the position we're in but we have one of the best teams in the league that for the majority of the season has been under-performing largely due to the instructions they've been given.
This group now has the chance to create history and could be the spark to usher in a genuine new era at the football club. |
Correct, which is why JM has to put a team out on Saturday that believes in itself
They've every reason to, but then they had after the convincing Yeovil victory which sadly led to a series of non-performances, starting with the home loss to Oldham
For that reason alone, Saturday will be approached more in hope than expectation |  |
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