| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it 20:49 - Jan 13 with 2379 views | loftboy |
Being allowed to compete in the Welsh league cup with entry into Europe for the winners. |  |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 21:06 - Jan 13 with 1697 views | LazyFan |
We have Welsh players; therefore, QPR should be allowed to compete. |  |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 21:09 - Jan 13 with 1684 views | LazyFan |
We have Welsh players; therefore, QPR should be allowed to compete. | |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 21:13 - Jan 13 with 1680 views | danehoop |
I get the reasoning from the Welsh FA, but think they should be excluded from the English cup competitions if they do, rather than forfeiting prize money or European qualification. If you want to commit to Welsh Cup competitions and the benefits that will bring to the clubs and qualification for Europe, then commit fully. I think its a great choice for Welsh clubs and the FAW, but don't think its fair to then try to be able to benefit from being in the English competitions as well.
That said, it's about cup competitions so of no relevance or interest to us. |  |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 21:24 - Jan 13 with 1631 views | Lblock |
Where this really PISSES ME OFF is I’d give my right gohnad to see QPR away in Europe in a proper cup competition…… doesn’t matter if it’s a Hungarian fishing village team (in fact that might even be the preference)
That also brings superb extra revenue in
I know it’s “fixture congestion” but…… fcuk that…. I’d take that every time
Bstards!!!! |  |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 21:42 - Jan 13 with 1559 views | Juzzie |
I thought that it was finally established a while back that if the play in the EFL/PL that they relinquished affiliation to the Welsh FA (or whatever it was all about). How can it now change back, one or the other surely and as said, if they choose this route then they can no longer participate in the FA and League Cups…… or, we’re all allowed to join in the Welsh Cup too. |  | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 22:31 - Jan 13 with 1428 views | GaryHaddock |
To be fair, a Welsh team hasn’t won the Welsh Premier in four years.
I’ve often thought Newport should join as they would dominate. |  | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 23:37 - Jan 13 with 1340 views | Bluce_Ree |
The last thing I want to see is QPR in another fking cup. |  |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 08:53 - Jan 14 with 1155 views | aston_hoop |
About time the London Senior Cup gave us a route into the Conference League really. |  |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 09:16 - Jan 14 with 1107 views | Toast_R |
This has been going on for years hasn't it?
I remember Wrexham playing Man Utd over two legs once in the Cup Winners Cup. |  | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 09:22 - Jan 14 with 1095 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Fck 'em and that soppy prick Ryan Reynolds, too! Now, there's tidy for you.... |  |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 09:39 - Jan 14 with 1055 views | Rangersw12 |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 09:16 - Jan 14 by Toast_R |
This has been going on for years hasn't it?
I remember Wrexham playing Man Utd over two legs once in the Cup Winners Cup. |
I'm sure it hasn't happened since the 90's |  | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 09:46 - Jan 14 with 1023 views | Toast_R |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 09:39 - Jan 14 by Rangersw12 |
I'm sure it hasn't happened since the 90's |
Well, lets open it right up and have the winners of the Papa Johns (Or whoever sponsors it now) EFL Trophy in the UEFA Conference League as well then. Fairs fair an all. | | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:07 - Jan 14 with 934 views | Welsh_Ranger |
Morning all,
I love reading the posts looking for a balanced conversation and understand the different viewpoints. I get the cup perspective and from what I have read they can still compete in both English competitions but won't qualify if they win either the FA Cup or the league.
From a Welsh perspective it still needs to get the OK from the FA but and i'm not naive its an opportunity to grow the Welsh game, we currently sit something like 49/52 in the coefficient which i think is below the Irish leagues - so the league is pretty poor!
The 4 have agreed not to take financial gain from the competition itself, I think gate receipts etc from matches will go to the Welsh league which would then be spread around those league clubs - I don't think that will include if/when they qualify for Europe!
Raising the standard and quality of the competition is the idea and it will then get reviewed every four years.
I understand the counter arguments and look forward to some healthy debate. | | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:16 - Jan 14 with 907 views | DannyPaddox |
Hereford won the Welsh Cup in 1990. Shrewsbury used to win it fairly regularly in the 70s & 80s. Neither of them qualified for Europe (sadly in my opinion, Hereford v Osasuna would be the Ernest Hemingway derby). If any of the sheep-shaggers won the FA Cup I doubt they’d be allowed that route into Europe if they also have the Welsh Cup route. I could be wrong. Cmon someone tell me what I should be getting angry about here.
Probably one for the ‘did you know?’ thread but ‘shag’ is a term of endearment in Hereford similar to ‘mate’. It’s common to greet a friend with ‘Alright shaaag!’
Further west in Cornwall ‘my lover’ is a common expression. I remember being new in town buying a loaf of bread. The old bakery crone handed me my tiger loaf and change with a ‘there you go my lover’. My first thought was ‘but we’ve only just met. It totally threw me.
Sorry what were we talking about? |  | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:45 - Jan 14 with 857 views | Rangersw12 |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:07 - Jan 14 by Welsh_Ranger |
Morning all,
I love reading the posts looking for a balanced conversation and understand the different viewpoints. I get the cup perspective and from what I have read they can still compete in both English competitions but won't qualify if they win either the FA Cup or the league.
From a Welsh perspective it still needs to get the OK from the FA but and i'm not naive its an opportunity to grow the Welsh game, we currently sit something like 49/52 in the coefficient which i think is below the Irish leagues - so the league is pretty poor!
The 4 have agreed not to take financial gain from the competition itself, I think gate receipts etc from matches will go to the Welsh league which would then be spread around those league clubs - I don't think that will include if/when they qualify for Europe!
Raising the standard and quality of the competition is the idea and it will then get reviewed every four years.
I understand the counter arguments and look forward to some healthy debate. |
Maybe they should just join the Welsh league full time if they care about it that much .
My dream is to see Rangers in Europe and it's annoying that clubs like Swansea , Cardiff and Wrexham have an easy route . | | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:49 - Jan 14 with 837 views | RangersDave |
I prefer the relevant countries to play in their own countries leagues / competitions and none should overlap.
However, i quite like the idea of 4 welsh teams, playing in a compo of 4 scottish, , 4 english and 4 northern irish teams.
That could be interesting.
Teams could be totally random too. |  |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:54 - Jan 14 with 824 views | Rangersw12 |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:49 - Jan 14 by RangersDave |
I prefer the relevant countries to play in their own countries leagues / competitions and none should overlap.
However, i quite like the idea of 4 welsh teams, playing in a compo of 4 scottish, , 4 english and 4 northern irish teams.
That could be interesting.
Teams could be totally random too. |
Seeing us play a weakened team and lose to Patrick Thistle on a cold Thursday night would probably tip me over the edge tbh | | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:57 - Jan 14 with 819 views | DannyPaddox |
We can relocate, dig down, build a new ground in Monmouthshire, and rebrand ourselves as Cwmbran Park Rangers but we’d still rest players and
bomb out of the Welsh Cup Round 1 to Blaenau Ffestiniog FC or whoever. | | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 11:04 - Jan 14 with 793 views | Welsh_Ranger |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:45 - Jan 14 by Rangersw12 |
Maybe they should just join the Welsh league full time if they care about it that much .
My dream is to see Rangers in Europe and it's annoying that clubs like Swansea , Cardiff and Wrexham have an easy route . |
Hi Mate,
I understand your point and as a QPR fan i share that view, that I want my club to be successful on the pitch - their route might be percievably easier but they would still have to go to the effort on the pitch to make it successful.
I understand the "go play in the Welsh league" argument but rightly or wrongly those four along with Merythr town have historically for a long period played in the English league setup. | | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 11:07 - Jan 14 with 771 views | Welsh_Ranger |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:49 - Jan 14 by RangersDave |
I prefer the relevant countries to play in their own countries leagues / competitions and none should overlap.
However, i quite like the idea of 4 welsh teams, playing in a compo of 4 scottish, , 4 english and 4 northern irish teams.
That could be interesting.
Teams could be totally random too. |
Dave, they have done this in Union and the quality of that league is embarrassing and sadly just from a cost perspective getting fans to travel from say Cardiff to Glasgow isn't getting bums on seats or improving the competition as a whole.
All the FAW are looking to do is to improve the standards of its league and grow the game more in Wales. | | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 11:16 - Jan 14 with 725 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 10:57 - Jan 14 by DannyPaddox |
We can relocate, dig down, build a new ground in Monmouthshire, and rebrand ourselves as Cwmbran Park Rangers but we’d still rest players and
bomb out of the Welsh Cup Round 1 to Blaenau Ffestiniog FC or whoever. |
I can handle that more than I can the prospect of being on the wrong end of a shoeing from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch FC.
Longest town name in the UK and if you ever hear a Welsh lass pronounce that, it sounds similar to the noise she'll make when she's having a nosh! | |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 11:26 - Jan 14 with 688 views | Rangersw12 |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 11:04 - Jan 14 by Welsh_Ranger |
Hi Mate,
I understand your point and as a QPR fan i share that view, that I want my club to be successful on the pitch - their route might be percievably easier but they would still have to go to the effort on the pitch to make it successful.
I understand the "go play in the Welsh league" argument but rightly or wrongly those four along with Merythr town have historically for a long period played in the English league setup. |
It's not perceivably easier it's 100 X easier . In order for us to qualify for Europe we would have to finish top 7 in the Premier League or win a major trophy.
They have to beat Bangor town etc and then probably one the EFL Welsh clubs in the final . I know which route I would prefer.
If they want to compete in the Welsh cup and easy route to European football then that's fine but they shouldn't be allowed to compete in the EFL .
As the OP says they're having their cake and eating it . | | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 11:52 - Jan 14 with 614 views | Welsh_Ranger |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 11:26 - Jan 14 by Rangersw12 |
It's not perceivably easier it's 100 X easier . In order for us to qualify for Europe we would have to finish top 7 in the Premier League or win a major trophy.
They have to beat Bangor town etc and then probably one the EFL Welsh clubs in the final . I know which route I would prefer.
If they want to compete in the Welsh cup and easy route to European football then that's fine but they shouldn't be allowed to compete in the EFL .
As the OP says they're having their cake and eating it . |
OK. I understand your viewpoint.
Yes, it probably will be easier for one of the four to win the Welsh cup than it would be for us to qualify for Europe. Qualifying and competing are two different things though, they would have to give the competition due respect and as we have seen and discussed on other chats the likes of Brentford still prioritize the league over actually winning silverware.
For clubs like Bangor like in the FA Cup its a chance to test themselves against a better standard of teams and in a one off situation such as the magic of the cup you might get a different outcome. TNS have themselves as a Welsh league club been able to qualify and compete in Europe.
As i said in my youth the big four used to play in the Welsh cup but didn't really take it seriously and at that stage their was an opportunity to play in Europe as well.
Going back to my original post, these clubs rightly or wrongly have been competing in the EFL since before I was born and have been accepted into the pyramid. If it gets ratified by the FA then it will be reviewed in four years time by the FAW and the relevant bodies. | | | |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 12:15 - Jan 14 with 558 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 11:26 - Jan 14 by Rangersw12 |
It's not perceivably easier it's 100 X easier . In order for us to qualify for Europe we would have to finish top 7 in the Premier League or win a major trophy.
They have to beat Bangor town etc and then probably one the EFL Welsh clubs in the final . I know which route I would prefer.
If they want to compete in the Welsh cup and easy route to European football then that's fine but they shouldn't be allowed to compete in the EFL .
As the OP says they're having their cake and eating it . |
Remember when we traveled down there for the 2003 POF and were told, that while the Welsh national anthem was necessary, the playing of GSTQ would anger the locals or some such tosh! Not that I give a flying rat's backside about national anthems, it shows their football mentality in a somewhat petulant light in my humble.
Of course, what would stir it up would be if the English FA said: you can play in your country's cup competitions, but either not in ours or, English clubs should be invited as well. Now of course, UEFA would be very irate at Welsh and maybe English clubs getting two goes at having their Welsh cake (delicious as they are) and wanting to eat it, but anyone know what their take is on this?
I'm sure many Welsh teams actually playing in the Welsh football set-up are not too happy either. Maybe it's time to tell Swansea, Cardiff and Wrexham that in the interests of Welsh football, it would be best if they stayed on the other side of Offa's Dyke!! | |
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| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 12:16 - Jan 14 with 557 views | flynnbo |
| Welsh clubs having their cake and eating it on 11:16 - Jan 14 by PlanetHonneywood |
I can handle that more than I can the prospect of being on the wrong end of a shoeing from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch FC.
Longest town name in the UK and if you ever hear a Welsh lass pronounce that, it sounds similar to the noise she'll make when she's having a nosh! |
Give us an L, give us an L….. oh feck that, I’m going for a beer. |  | | |
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