| AGM Tuesday. 20:55 - Dec 7 with 5419 views | turnthescrew |
Will this now be cancelled due to the rearranged match with Leamington? |  | | |  |
| AGM Tuesday. on 17:02 - Dec 9 with 2914 views | Dalenet |
It has moved to Monday 30th December at 10am in the Ratcliffe [Post edited 9 Dec 19:50]
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| AGM Tuesday. on 17:47 - Dec 9 with 2827 views | BuckTheTrend |
| AGM Tuesday. on 17:02 - Dec 9 by Dalenet |
It has moved to Monday 30th December at 10am in the Ratcliffe [Post edited 9 Dec 19:50]
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Monday 30th December for the AGM.
Thursday 30th January for the Fans' Forum. | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 17:49 - Dec 9 with 2819 views | judd |
| AGM Tuesday. on 17:02 - Dec 9 by Dalenet |
It has moved to Monday 30th December at 10am in the Ratcliffe [Post edited 9 Dec 19:50]
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Even more inconvenient. Not everyone will be on holiday. |  |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 18:01 - Dec 9 with 2768 views | 442Dale |
| AGM Tuesday. on 17:49 - Dec 9 by judd |
Even more inconvenient. Not everyone will be on holiday. |
Indeed. It’s a working day for many. Presumably the Trust will be representing this fact on behalf of not only all of its members who have shares both individually and as part of the Trust’s shareholding, but also all other supporters who may wish to attend.
There is no reason for it not to be in the evening. If there is, let’s hear it. |  |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 19:49 - Dec 9 with 2606 views | turnthescrew |
| AGM Tuesday. on 17:49 - Dec 9 by judd |
Even more inconvenient. Not everyone will be on holiday. |
The 5.30pm timing for tomorrow was ridiculous. A 10.00 am meeting on a general working day is farcical. It's almost as if there is a deliberate attempt to discourage people from attending or making it as difficult as possible to do so. Full explanation needed from the resident Co-Chairman. | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 19:50 - Dec 9 with 2599 views | Dalenet |
| AGM Tuesday. on 17:47 - Dec 9 by BuckTheTrend |
Monday 30th December for the AGM.
Thursday 30th January for the Fans' Forum. |
My mistake sorry | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 20:08 - Dec 9 with 2550 views | 442Dale |
| AGM Tuesday. on 19:49 - Dec 9 by turnthescrew |
The 5.30pm timing for tomorrow was ridiculous. A 10.00 am meeting on a general working day is farcical. It's almost as if there is a deliberate attempt to discourage people from attending or making it as difficult as possible to do so. Full explanation needed from the resident Co-Chairman. |
Which is why the Trust should actually be seen to ensure they’re looking to seek such explanations.
And that doesn’t mean trying to explain things from the club’s point of view when their members raise questions.
Attitude and culture are best shown by the smaller things. No matter how irrelevant some may think they are. | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 21:59 - Dec 9 with 2395 views | chuckleberry |
| AGM Tuesday. on 20:08 - Dec 9 by 442Dale |
Which is why the Trust should actually be seen to ensure they’re looking to seek such explanations.
And that doesn’t mean trying to explain things from the club’s point of view when their members raise questions.
Attitude and culture are best shown by the smaller things. No matter how irrelevant some may think they are. |
There needs to be a full explanation as to who chose these timings. Cynical me wonders if the club are making it as difficult as possible for shareholders to attend. |  | | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 22:04 - Dec 9 with 2376 views | judd |
Email sent to Trust tonight:
Hello All
Please can the club board be contacted and an explanation sought and made public as to why the AGM now set for 10 am on Monday 30th December is at such an inconvenient time for many shareholders ?
Also, why the established precedent of a separate Q&A after the AGM has been withdrawn from shareholders?
Could you also advise if the original time of 530 pm for tomorrow was challenged by the Trust, and what the outcome of this challenge was?
Very much look forward to hearing back from you with a full response | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 22:07 - Dec 9 with 2365 views | D_Alien |
10am is a great time for a dog's breakfast |  |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 00:38 - Dec 10 with 2200 views | Sandyman |
One argument may be that a lot of companies hold AGM's during working hours.
This is not a regular company. We have held AGM's for shareholders in the evenings for decades, knowing full well the vast majority would be working during the day, and RAFC respected this. Their investment was appreciated.
c. 2006 supporters were actively encouraged to buy shares in the club to ensure a wider level of shareholding in the club was in place to prevent the threat of a hostile takeover. More fans became shareholders, and the board responded with Thursday EVENING meetings, a shareholders forum and even a buffet for those in attendance!
I look back through my records and find this: Notice of EVENING meetings that were packed out. A 5 hour series of meetings that put us on the road to saving RAFC from disaster...
"18 May 2021
Dear Shareholder
This letter is to inform you that the following meetings of Rochdale Association Football Club will take place on Tuesday 01 June 2021 at 7pm at the Ratcliffe Bars & Function Suite:-
• 2020 Adjourned AGM
• 2021 AGM
• 2020 Adjourned EGM
• 2021 EGM requested by the Dale Supporters Trust"
We got to the hostile takeover crisis earlier this decade when our previous shareholder insurance was shat on by bad people. Fans and shareholders were encouraged to dig deep, and vote for an increased number of shares to be available, AT AN EVENING MEETING which shareholders voted for. This was done, along with fans and shareholders supporting the legal fight costs. The EFL rules helped us out of it along with the utter clumsiness of the do-badders. This club and its fanbase was utterly united in that fight. Never forget.
Shareholders were encouraged AGAIN, at an EVENING MEETING MANY COULD ATTEND to, back the issue of millions of 'A' shares, which they did, which allowed the Ogden Trust investment we are so grateful for.
Our smaller shareholders (the largest of whom is now the Dale Trust) deserve a bit of respect for their past investments and the opportunity to question and query the matters pertinent to an AGM. No vote will ever go in their favour nowadays given the numbers involved, but the ability to scrutinise and keep an eye on things is crucial. We trusted for far too long when there were malevolent forces getting involved. Can't see that happening now, but we must never forget. AGM timings that are not normal practice will only raise suspicion when it probably isn't necessary. It gives out the wrong message. It may be too late to clear up this year. Don't let it happen again. [Post edited 10 Dec 0:44]
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| AGM Tuesday. on 07:25 - Dec 10 with 2059 views | Rodingdale |
| AGM Tuesday. on 00:38 - Dec 10 by Sandyman |
One argument may be that a lot of companies hold AGM's during working hours.
This is not a regular company. We have held AGM's for shareholders in the evenings for decades, knowing full well the vast majority would be working during the day, and RAFC respected this. Their investment was appreciated.
c. 2006 supporters were actively encouraged to buy shares in the club to ensure a wider level of shareholding in the club was in place to prevent the threat of a hostile takeover. More fans became shareholders, and the board responded with Thursday EVENING meetings, a shareholders forum and even a buffet for those in attendance!
I look back through my records and find this: Notice of EVENING meetings that were packed out. A 5 hour series of meetings that put us on the road to saving RAFC from disaster...
"18 May 2021
Dear Shareholder
This letter is to inform you that the following meetings of Rochdale Association Football Club will take place on Tuesday 01 June 2021 at 7pm at the Ratcliffe Bars & Function Suite:-
• 2020 Adjourned AGM
• 2021 AGM
• 2020 Adjourned EGM
• 2021 EGM requested by the Dale Supporters Trust"
We got to the hostile takeover crisis earlier this decade when our previous shareholder insurance was shat on by bad people. Fans and shareholders were encouraged to dig deep, and vote for an increased number of shares to be available, AT AN EVENING MEETING which shareholders voted for. This was done, along with fans and shareholders supporting the legal fight costs. The EFL rules helped us out of it along with the utter clumsiness of the do-badders. This club and its fanbase was utterly united in that fight. Never forget.
Shareholders were encouraged AGAIN, at an EVENING MEETING MANY COULD ATTEND to, back the issue of millions of 'A' shares, which they did, which allowed the Ogden Trust investment we are so grateful for.
Our smaller shareholders (the largest of whom is now the Dale Trust) deserve a bit of respect for their past investments and the opportunity to question and query the matters pertinent to an AGM. No vote will ever go in their favour nowadays given the numbers involved, but the ability to scrutinise and keep an eye on things is crucial. We trusted for far too long when there were malevolent forces getting involved. Can't see that happening now, but we must never forget. AGM timings that are not normal practice will only raise suspicion when it probably isn't necessary. It gives out the wrong message. It may be too late to clear up this year. Don't let it happen again. [Post edited 10 Dec 0:44]
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As they are finding out down the road at Old Trafford, having billionaires in charge of football clubs is not without problems. The ETH debacle, Dan Ashworths hiring then firing in five months, poor recruitment and miserable cost cutting - all show that the business world isn’t best placed to run something as complex as a football club, particularly one like Dale which were told has community club aspirations.
There was considerable push back on the original date and time and the decision to delete the Q&A, but the club has in effect doubled down on the bad decision. Worrying that CO seems content to let this unnecessary disharmony prevail under his watch. It seems CO is letting SG get on with the local operations, which in my view is a big mistake. Just because we are in the debt of the Ogdens does not mean they are free from criticism- there will be more if this approach continues. | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 09:29 - Dec 10 with 1933 views | dawlishdale |
Staggeringly poor judgement from the Board. Surely the Trust Director will have objected to this and informed Trust members of his stance?
It feels like CO is being (mis)guided by existing Board members. | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 09:40 - Dec 10 with 1915 views | judd |
| AGM Tuesday. on 09:29 - Dec 10 by dawlishdale |
Staggeringly poor judgement from the Board. Surely the Trust Director will have objected to this and informed Trust members of his stance?
It feels like CO is being (mis)guided by existing Board members. |
Certainly zero communication with members. | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 10:14 - Dec 10 with 1821 views | 100notout |
Is CO fully aware of how SG operates? How he is regarded amongst fans? How he acts in such an autocratic way, alienating fans, staff and other directors? How he is holding back this great club from being the best that it can be?
If he isn't he should be. Maybe it is up to us the fans to tell him?
Yes his (or should I say his wife's family's) money saved the club, not forgetting Richard Knight as well, but SG oversaw and was responsible for the worst period on and off the field this club has ever seen. He needs to go | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 11:27 - Dec 10 with 1697 views | D_Alien |
| AGM Tuesday. on 10:14 - Dec 10 by 100notout |
Is CO fully aware of how SG operates? How he is regarded amongst fans? How he acts in such an autocratic way, alienating fans, staff and other directors? How he is holding back this great club from being the best that it can be?
If he isn't he should be. Maybe it is up to us the fans to tell him?
Yes his (or should I say his wife's family's) money saved the club, not forgetting Richard Knight as well, but SG oversaw and was responsible for the worst period on and off the field this club has ever seen. He needs to go |
An AGM Q&A, attended by as many interested shareholders as possible, would've been the perfect opportunity for serious questions to be asked, of course
To be most effective, these could've been funnelled via the Trust, and still could be; but who now has the authoritative voice within the Trust to do so?
I'm afraid CO may have had his head turned by SG, and not in the right direction. As so many times before, we're being treated as a hindrance.. but to what?
The club could no more exist without us than it could without the Ogden's money [Post edited 10 Dec 11:29]
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| AGM Tuesday. on 13:29 - Dec 10 with 1493 views | turnthescrew |
| AGM Tuesday. on 11:27 - Dec 10 by D_Alien |
An AGM Q&A, attended by as many interested shareholders as possible, would've been the perfect opportunity for serious questions to be asked, of course
To be most effective, these could've been funnelled via the Trust, and still could be; but who now has the authoritative voice within the Trust to do so?
I'm afraid CO may have had his head turned by SG, and not in the right direction. As so many times before, we're being treated as a hindrance.. but to what?
The club could no more exist without us than it could without the Ogden's money [Post edited 10 Dec 11:29]
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The Trust is a busted flush. It has little or no influence over anything the club does. It played a vital life-saving role when it was needed and helped steer the club through some very dangerous waters.
That said, the Trust shareholding is now virtually worthless, when compared to other shareholders and the watering down of their value, took away the effective voice of the Trust.
What is the point of a Trust director, other than as a token gesture? What does the role actually achieve now that the Trust shareholding is meaningless?
SG isn't interested in what fans think, nor what they have to say. He is a useless communicator and has a terrible attitude towards anyone who has the temerity to challenge him or question his motives. Who remembers the AGM and his disgraceful comments and bombastic attitude? He showed his true colours that night and I'll never forget the disdain he showed to those who are the lifeblood of this club. It's time he went, but the Trust can never repeat the removal of Bottomley because their voice has been silenced.
Yes, the Trust is clearly a hindrance (at least to SG). If he hasn't been told already, or hasn't seen it for himself, CO needs to be sat down and told exactly what fans think.
We need to resurrect ourselves as a Rochdale Supporters Club. The Trust has had it's day. | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 14:03 - Dec 10 with 1422 views | D_Alien |
| AGM Tuesday. on 13:29 - Dec 10 by turnthescrew |
The Trust is a busted flush. It has little or no influence over anything the club does. It played a vital life-saving role when it was needed and helped steer the club through some very dangerous waters.
That said, the Trust shareholding is now virtually worthless, when compared to other shareholders and the watering down of their value, took away the effective voice of the Trust.
What is the point of a Trust director, other than as a token gesture? What does the role actually achieve now that the Trust shareholding is meaningless?
SG isn't interested in what fans think, nor what they have to say. He is a useless communicator and has a terrible attitude towards anyone who has the temerity to challenge him or question his motives. Who remembers the AGM and his disgraceful comments and bombastic attitude? He showed his true colours that night and I'll never forget the disdain he showed to those who are the lifeblood of this club. It's time he went, but the Trust can never repeat the removal of Bottomley because their voice has been silenced.
Yes, the Trust is clearly a hindrance (at least to SG). If he hasn't been told already, or hasn't seen it for himself, CO needs to be sat down and told exactly what fans think.
We need to resurrect ourselves as a Rochdale Supporters Club. The Trust has had it's day. |
The prospect of a Golden Share being held by the Trust is almost certainly instrumental in keeping its voice "in place"
Only once this has become a reality rather than a proposal can there be any chance of influence. Changing the name and/or status of the Trust at this point would probably put that into question
So in terms of questioning: how and when is the Golden Share going to come to fruition. What are the steps that need to be taken to enable this, and why is there a delay? What are the obstacles? If the answers to this are already in the public domain, could someone please refresh our memories | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 14:09 - Dec 10 with 1410 views | turnthescrew |
| AGM Tuesday. on 14:03 - Dec 10 by D_Alien |
The prospect of a Golden Share being held by the Trust is almost certainly instrumental in keeping its voice "in place"
Only once this has become a reality rather than a proposal can there be any chance of influence. Changing the name and/or status of the Trust at this point would probably put that into question
So in terms of questioning: how and when is the Golden Share going to come to fruition. What are the steps that need to be taken to enable this, and why is there a delay? What are the obstacles? If the answers to this are already in the public domain, could someone please refresh our memories |
Valid points, but it makes no difference to the overall situation whether the Golden Share is held by the Trust or a properly convened Supporters Club.
Why there is a prolonged delay is something that needs addressing and answers sought. | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 14:22 - Dec 10 with 1381 views | D_Alien |
| AGM Tuesday. on 14:09 - Dec 10 by turnthescrew |
Valid points, but it makes no difference to the overall situation whether the Golden Share is held by the Trust or a properly convened Supporters Club.
Why there is a prolonged delay is something that needs addressing and answers sought. |
My point is that it *would* make a difference, since the Golden Share was promised with the Trust specifically named, and as currently constituted
Any change to that situation and all bets are off. If the Trust then held the Golden Share, any other group of fans could start up a rival body; in fact, they could do that now, but it'd almost certainly be counterproductive to the facilitation of the Golden Share unless there were guarantees in place that the Trust couldn't pass the Golden Share to any future alternative fans groups | |
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| AGM Tuesday. on 14:44 - Dec 10 with 1338 views | Rodingdale |
| AGM Tuesday. on 14:09 - Dec 10 by turnthescrew |
Valid points, but it makes no difference to the overall situation whether the Golden Share is held by the Trust or a properly convened Supporters Club.
Why there is a prolonged delay is something that needs addressing and answers sought. |
Your second paragraph is what worries me. The GS is key to securing the long term future of the club. Why the delay?? | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 15:17 - Dec 10 with 1281 views | D_Alien |
| AGM Tuesday. on 14:44 - Dec 10 by Rodingdale |
Your second paragraph is what worries me. The GS is key to securing the long term future of the club. Why the delay?? |
tbf, i asked that question in the post he was replying to...
Edit: perhaps there is an issue with the future of a GS held by the (current) Trust should it be replaced by some other body
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| AGM Tuesday. on 15:38 - Dec 10 with 1218 views | rochdale1987 |
Yet again, I've had no contact from the club regarding the upcoming AGM, I am a shareholder and previously emailed the 'shares' email address to get this sorted but nothing has happened yet. | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 15:44 - Dec 10 with 1203 views | Rodingdale |
| AGM Tuesday. on 15:17 - Dec 10 by D_Alien |
tbf, i asked that question in the post he was replying to...
Edit: perhaps there is an issue with the future of a GS held by the (current) Trust should it be replaced by some other body
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If a questions worth asking…🙄 | | | |
| AGM Tuesday. on 16:58 - Dec 10 with 1094 views | turnthescrew |
| AGM Tuesday. on 14:22 - Dec 10 by D_Alien |
My point is that it *would* make a difference, since the Golden Share was promised with the Trust specifically named, and as currently constituted
Any change to that situation and all bets are off. If the Trust then held the Golden Share, any other group of fans could start up a rival body; in fact, they could do that now, but it'd almost certainly be counterproductive to the facilitation of the Golden Share unless there were guarantees in place that the Trust couldn't pass the Golden Share to any future alternative fans groups |
As long as the GS is held by a properly constituted and authorised group, separate from the business of RAFC, it can be called whatever you want it to be.
The overriding point is that the Trust, as is, has been neutered by the changed that occurred prior to the Ogden acquisition.
Its' effectiveness and intended function is finished in the way that it was originally meant to be. The recent Trust AGM was attended by about 20 people. That says it all. | | | |
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