| A turning point perhaps? 15:53 - Sep 3 with 5092 views | saint901 |
I see that Koeman (present manager of the Dutch national team) has said that the international career of a 26 year old winger is now "closed" following his transfer to a Saudi club.
Koeman says that the move shows a lack of ambition to play at the highest level and therefore makes him unsuitable for international duty.
He distinguished the case of a defender he took to the Euros on the grounds that said defender went to a Saudi club because his PL team was not playing him.
I'm very definitely in the Koeman camp on this.
I think the Saudis (and other rich Arab nations) pose a risk to all football in Europe and if enough players are tempted by the money, we will see a drop in standards.
I also think that players should examine their conscience at least briefly and see if they really want to paid by those with such a poor human rights record. |  | | |  |
| A turning point perhaps? on 13:28 - Sep 11 with 597 views | Jellybaby |
| A turning point perhaps? on 19:21 - Sep 10 by kernow |
We’re probably all very well aware of how well read you are, mon petit, fruity, squidgy little bon bon.
Any chance of addressing the points?
Democracy or autocracy?
No doubt in my mind how I’d prefer to live. |
Kernow Darling, I thought we were having a nice little chat about literature, but you just wanted to dive straight into politics I see.
Democracy or autocracy? On the surface, democracy obviously, but it spawned Hitler through that process whereas Ataturk, an autocrat is still loved and revered by most Turks today, so a benevolent leader is probably the best option, but they could be hard to find!
The bigger issue though is who controls the puppetitions? In a two party (uniparty) system this effectively amounts to an autocracy, as pre-set policy agenda of any importance rarely changes as this is decided at a supranational level, in places like the UN, WHO, WEF and Bilderberg. | |
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| A turning point perhaps? on 13:45 - Sep 11 with 575 views | 1885_SFC |
| A turning point perhaps? on 16:37 - Sep 10 by kingolaf |
The Saudis are an awful bunch. Persecute gays, murder journalists, treat migrant workers terribly, to name just a few reasons why. Sponsor terrorism as well.
But never mind. They put on good boxing shows, World Cups and F1 races. So let’s forget all the other stuff. |
It's the Saudi oil that means they get off lightly when it comes to world condemnation.
No one wants to upset them all the time they hold the world's testicles in their hands. |  |
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| A turning point perhaps? on 16:16 - Sep 11 with 516 views | saint901 |
Kemel Ataturk was the founder of and first president of the Turkish Republic.
He went from being a general (who kicked allied forces ar$ses at Gallipoli) to leader of Turkish forces brought together to resist the Allies attempts to partition Turkey who ended up being on the wrong side of WW1.
Skipping over his role in a series of ethnic cleansings and suppression of religious minorities (as these don't fit the narrative), he also abolished the sultanate which until WW1 were absolute rulers being the last vestiges of the Ottoman Empire.
I have no idea of how your average Turkish citizen sees Ataturk (revered? evidence?) but he was a leader at a time of great change for Turkey, removed the monarchy, created a secular republic.
I'm going to be so bold as to suggest that he is respected in Turkey as the founder of a modern country (before its more recent descent into religious divide) and a republic, rather than as a beneficent despot? | | | |
| A turning point perhaps? on 16:21 - Sep 11 with 511 views | saint901 |
And the point made here is about football and whether players chasing money rather than seeking to be the best they can and play at the highest level they can, should lose the ability to play for their country.
Whilst I am disappointed that my children appear to have no pride in their country of birth (nor in fact their mother's country of birth for which they hold passports), and perhaps this is indicative of younger people's attitudes in general, I would like to think that an opportunity to represent my country is more important to me than money. Clearly nobody has or is likely to offer me significant amounts to do that, but I'd like to put some principles ahead of cash. | | | |
| A turning point perhaps? on 18:35 - Sep 11 with 484 views | DorsetIan |
| A turning point perhaps? on 13:28 - Sep 11 by Jellybaby |
Kernow Darling, I thought we were having a nice little chat about literature, but you just wanted to dive straight into politics I see.
Democracy or autocracy? On the surface, democracy obviously, but it spawned Hitler through that process whereas Ataturk, an autocrat is still loved and revered by most Turks today, so a benevolent leader is probably the best option, but they could be hard to find!
The bigger issue though is who controls the puppetitions? In a two party (uniparty) system this effectively amounts to an autocracy, as pre-set policy agenda of any importance rarely changes as this is decided at a supranational level, in places like the UN, WHO, WEF and Bilderberg. |
Ataturk was a reformer who was instrumental in introducing democracy to Turkey.
Not really your typical autocrat.
Please try harder. | |
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| A turning point perhaps? on 19:33 - Sep 11 with 459 views | Jellybaby |
| A turning point perhaps? on 18:35 - Sep 11 by DorsetIan |
Ataturk was a reformer who was instrumental in introducing democracy to Turkey.
Not really your typical autocrat.
Please try harder. |
I think my friend the onus is on you to find a modern day democratically elected leader that was/is a huge resounding success - I will put some names out there to make it easier for you;
Boris, Trump, Biden, Truss, Trudeau, Macron, is that enough for you? | |
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| A turning point perhaps? on 19:43 - Sep 11 with 457 views | Jellybaby |
| A turning point perhaps? on 16:21 - Sep 11 by saint901 |
And the point made here is about football and whether players chasing money rather than seeking to be the best they can and play at the highest level they can, should lose the ability to play for their country.
Whilst I am disappointed that my children appear to have no pride in their country of birth (nor in fact their mother's country of birth for which they hold passports), and perhaps this is indicative of younger people's attitudes in general, I would like to think that an opportunity to represent my country is more important to me than money. Clearly nobody has or is likely to offer me significant amounts to do that, but I'd like to put some principles ahead of cash. |
I think kids can see that national sovereignty is losing its importance and I agree this is regrettable, but this is down to exactly the kind of globalist takeover that you refuse to accept is happening.
On principles ahead of money we are in agreement, but that may look different to Tony than it does to you, on the other hand he may be a money grabbing mercenary, I don't know, I can't judge his heart. | |
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| A turning point perhaps? on 19:54 - Sep 11 with 452 views | Berber |
| A turning point perhaps? on 16:21 - Sep 11 by saint901 |
And the point made here is about football and whether players chasing money rather than seeking to be the best they can and play at the highest level they can, should lose the ability to play for their country.
Whilst I am disappointed that my children appear to have no pride in their country of birth (nor in fact their mother's country of birth for which they hold passports), and perhaps this is indicative of younger people's attitudes in general, I would like to think that an opportunity to represent my country is more important to me than money. Clearly nobody has or is likely to offer me significant amounts to do that, but I'd like to put some principles ahead of cash. |
I am not sure that the lack of nationalist sympathies in the young as greater now than it was when I was young. I was 37 and had lived abroad in two countries whilst working before I became conscious that I was British, and I wanted my kids to grow up as Brits.
Before that, I didn’t much care. |  |
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| A turning point perhaps? on 20:46 - Sep 11 with 441 views | DorsetIan |
| A turning point perhaps? on 19:33 - Sep 11 by Jellybaby |
I think my friend the onus is on you to find a modern day democratically elected leader that was/is a huge resounding success - I will put some names out there to make it easier for you;
Boris, Trump, Biden, Truss, Trudeau, Macron, is that enough for you? |
'not a resounding success' is not really the criticism that we level at autocrats.
But if you include these in the definition...
Not murdering your own citizens
Not purging elites
Not imprisoning dissenters
Not imposing widescale surveillance on a population nor instigating a widespread snitch culture
Not instigating pogroms
Not closing down newspapers
Not murdering judges or priests
Not rigging ballots or cancelling elections
...then (with the possible exception of Trump) they were all extraordinarily successful. | |
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| A turning point perhaps? on 12:22 - Sep 12 with 336 views | Jellybaby |
| A turning point perhaps? on 20:46 - Sep 11 by DorsetIan |
'not a resounding success' is not really the criticism that we level at autocrats.
But if you include these in the definition...
Not murdering your own citizens
Not purging elites
Not imprisoning dissenters
Not imposing widescale surveillance on a population nor instigating a widespread snitch culture
Not instigating pogroms
Not closing down newspapers
Not murdering judges or priests
Not rigging ballots or cancelling elections
...then (with the possible exception of Trump) they were all extraordinarily successful. |
Will you ever take your blinkers off Ian?
I haven't got time or the inclination to go through all these, but democratic countries have also been and are guilty of all these things, but even our own country that you probably consider a beacon of light in a dark world would be guilty.
The unnecessary vaccine roll out for C19 has killed and maimed many.
Julian Assange was a political prisoner held by US/UK for 5 years for dissenting.
Snitch culture was encouraged during c19
UK is one of the most heavily surveiled countries in the world.
Why would they close down newspapers when they own them? Many independents are finding themselves de-platformed or shadow banned or accounts frozen for "wrong think".
A 2 party, first past the post system is a kind of rigging - just more sophisticated.
Look, It's great that you are so in love with democracy and can't see any problems and I'm sure it's better than living in China, but my experience and reading of it is not the same as yours. That's it really Ian, relax and enjoy the rest of your day. | |
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| A turning point perhaps? on 12:53 - Sep 12 with 330 views | saint901 |
Blinkers? Preferable to perhaps seeing the whole world as a conspiracy aimed at you?
"Unnecessary vaccine" - so you prefer the alternative of allowing humans to develop a natural immunity at the cost of how many millions of lives?
(I would have thought that if the plan of the elite is to reduce the population, then they would have blocked vaccines?)
"Killed and maimed many" - but a tiny fraction of the deaths from Covid.
Julian Assange - wanted on serious charges of a sexual nature and chooses to politicise his criminal behaviour of his own volition. He could have chosen to simply exercise his rights to a defence as he wa entitled - choose not to.
"Snitch culture" - is that a post punk band? When is their next album?
"Surveillance" - is inevitable. Where do you draw the balance between being kept safe from terrorists and ne'er do wells and being on a camera for a fleeting moment?
"De-platforming" - I'm not sure what that it but my assumption is that certain people with a message feel that media channels which have wide coverage should be carrying their message - and they're not. So they are claiming what? Discrimination or conspiracy to silence them. Last time I looked the moron running Twitter has almost no boundaries in place and you can post to the internet any time night or day.
"2 party system = rigging" - any evidence? | | | |
| A turning point perhaps? on 12:59 - Sep 12 with 328 views | DorsetIan |
| A turning point perhaps? on 12:22 - Sep 12 by Jellybaby |
Will you ever take your blinkers off Ian?
I haven't got time or the inclination to go through all these, but democratic countries have also been and are guilty of all these things, but even our own country that you probably consider a beacon of light in a dark world would be guilty.
The unnecessary vaccine roll out for C19 has killed and maimed many.
Julian Assange was a political prisoner held by US/UK for 5 years for dissenting.
Snitch culture was encouraged during c19
UK is one of the most heavily surveiled countries in the world.
Why would they close down newspapers when they own them? Many independents are finding themselves de-platformed or shadow banned or accounts frozen for "wrong think".
A 2 party, first past the post system is a kind of rigging - just more sophisticated.
Look, It's great that you are so in love with democracy and can't see any problems and I'm sure it's better than living in China, but my experience and reading of it is not the same as yours. That's it really Ian, relax and enjoy the rest of your day. |
You lack perspective Jelly.
Equating any of the things you mentioned with what goes in authoritarian / totalitarian society is naive and silly. | |
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