| Post office / Horizon show 19:46 - Jan 2 with 35547 views | RangersDave |
Christ, what great 'real' drama.
When i first heard about Horizon, waaaay back in the day, and even then with my rudimentary understanding of glitches, viruses, 'computer says no' etc, i knew there was something wildly 'fishy' about it.
Thoroughly recommend it to you all. |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 17:24 - Jan 3 with 3783 views | daveB |
| Post office / Horizon show on 17:06 - Jan 3 by terryb |
We watched the last three episodes last night as we had to get the anger out of our systems!
It's not often that you see a television programme & want to hit all of the people responsible, but I would willingly have done so to all of the PO personnel!
Please someone, tell me that the PO spokeswoman wasn't as horrible in real life? [Post edited 3 Jan 17:08]
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The way it's written a lot of the bits of the the stuff from the postmasters is what they have said over the years, the book by Nick Wallis and what they said to the people making the show, obviously no one from the post office wanted to help much with making the drama so a lot of their dialogue in the programme is taken from exact quotes they made which are in the meeting minutes. That's a long winded way of saying yes she is allegedly as bad as the show portrays |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 17:52 - Jan 3 with 3727 views | Northernr |
| Post office / Horizon show on 17:06 - Jan 3 by terryb |
We watched the last three episodes last night as we had to get the anger out of our systems!
It's not often that you see a television programme & want to hit all of the people responsible, but I would willingly have done so to all of the PO personnel!
Please someone, tell me that the PO spokeswoman wasn't as horrible in real life? [Post edited 3 Jan 17:08]
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Like I say, read some of the coverage of the public inquiry. They're still being complete dicks about it now. It's felt like it's been close to collapse a couple of times because of deliberate delaying tactics, evidence being "unavailable" and witnesses just being general cnts about the whole thing.
The chair of the inquiry has basically had to pass a ruling forcing them to disclose stuff under threat of criminal prosecution if they don't.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/horizon-scandal-inquiry-hit-by-new-post-office
Read up on the compensation they got - so much taken out in legal fees and costs that they ended up with barely 20k each.
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| Post office / Horizon show on 17:59 - Jan 3 with 3713 views | RangersDave |
| Post office / Horizon show on 12:41 - Jan 3 by Mick_S |
Dave, I and all the agency workers were laid off last July due to budget constraints, and then I read your above post...
My depot was 60 posties short and they lay people off. Some of the rounds have been broken up and redistributed to the remaining overworked staff so, for example, your round goes from 10 roads to, say 15, and another wage is saved.
By the way, despite all this, I reapplied as I knew I could get back in with my old mates after a few weeks. Got rejected this morning. I mean, it’s not as though I can’t do the job/lack of experience.
Probably best off out of it. [Post edited 3 Jan 16:19]
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sorry to hear it mate, truly i am.
we (me and my driving mates) worked it out.
it frazzled our collective brain matter the money involved in keeping drivers doing next to nothing for 2 months. | |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 18:50 - Jan 3 with 3647 views | Mick_S |
| Post office / Horizon show on 17:59 - Jan 3 by RangersDave |
sorry to hear it mate, truly i am.
we (me and my driving mates) worked it out.
it frazzled our collective brain matter the money involved in keeping drivers doing next to nothing for 2 months. |
Cheers mate. Things are on the up. |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 19:42 - Jan 3 with 3566 views | mart_Goblin |
Tremendous bit of TV drama about a disgraceful and shameful carry on by one of this countries biggest institution.
My father was PO branch manager until his retirement, luckily in 1999, 2 years before Horizon came in.
Made me so angry |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 19:49 - Jan 3 with 3545 views | NewBee |
| Post office / Horizon show on 20:18 - Jan 2 by Beckenhamhoop |
The CEO of the Post Office at the time, Paula Vennels, was awarded a CBE in 2019. She should be in prison. |
This x 10.
The worst of it all is that she was also an ordained priest in the Anglican Church, where she preached to her congregation on Sin and Evil, including deceit and cheating etc.
I get that some people are dishonest, criminal even, but total bloody hypocrites I simply cannot abide. |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 20:02 - Jan 3 with 3520 views | mart_Goblin |
| Post office / Horizon show on 19:49 - Jan 3 by NewBee |
This x 10.
The worst of it all is that she was also an ordained priest in the Anglican Church, where she preached to her congregation on Sin and Evil, including deceit and cheating etc.
I get that some people are dishonest, criminal even, but total bloody hypocrites I simply cannot abide. |
A priest telling people lies ?
Surely not? | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 22:20 - Jan 3 with 3404 views | stevec |
Catching up on it tonight, it’s heartbreaking to see what these people have gone through.
Any government worth its sort should have in its manifesto that they’ll refuse to work with Fujitsu forthwith and cancel all their contracts. As for the Post Office, like all government supported institutions and big business, they never get properly held to account.
The post office must stop dragging their feet and pay out unconditionally and substantially to all the people who have suffered. |  | | |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 08:58 - Jan 4 with 3250 views | NUBLOCK |
As was said in the program by the lawyer, the people with the most money usually win any litigation. We’ve become a little America money talks and the law is bollocks. | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 09:13 - Jan 4 with 3212 views | colinallcars |
| Post office / Horizon show on 20:02 - Jan 3 by mart_Goblin |
A priest telling people lies ?
Surely not? |
Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 14:08 - Jan 4 with 3054 views | Sonofpugwash |
| Post office / Horizon show on 17:52 - Jan 3 by Northernr |
Like I say, read some of the coverage of the public inquiry. They're still being complete dicks about it now. It's felt like it's been close to collapse a couple of times because of deliberate delaying tactics, evidence being "unavailable" and witnesses just being general cnts about the whole thing.
The chair of the inquiry has basically had to pass a ruling forcing them to disclose stuff under threat of criminal prosecution if they don't.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/horizon-scandal-inquiry-hit-by-new-post-office
Read up on the compensation they got - so much taken out in legal fees and costs that they ended up with barely 20k each.
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There's talk of a petition calling for the removal of Paula Vennells CBE.
Alan Bates was offered an OBE but turned it down as he didn't want anything to do with the "establishment"
To date the Post Office has spent around £100m in legal fees defending their position.
Scandals involving Police,Fire services etc.ongoing.It's all falling apart isn't it. |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 14:39 - Jan 4 with 3000 views | Northernr |
| Post office / Horizon show on 14:08 - Jan 4 by Sonofpugwash |
There's talk of a petition calling for the removal of Paula Vennells CBE.
Alan Bates was offered an OBE but turned it down as he didn't want anything to do with the "establishment"
To date the Post Office has spent around £100m in legal fees defending their position.
Scandals involving Police,Fire services etc.ongoing.It's all falling apart isn't it. |
It seems the Post Office became absolutely blinded to all logic and reason by protecting the contract and the money with Fujitsu, and of course the oh so important "corporate brand" of both companies.
This is something we're seeing repeat over and over. Contracts, money and corporations over people.
Look at Sheffield, where the council signed a billion quid contract with a third party contractor to sort out the city's streets, which included a ridiculously OTT clause to remove something like 15,000 street trees. And so developed a situation where trees were coming down whether they were healthy or otherwise, because THE CONTRACT, THE CONTRACT. When journos, public etc asked to see the contract, they would send it out with that bit redacted. When people protested, they had them arrested and taken to court. Nobody ever taking a step back and thinking, hang on a minute, this is insane.
It's the guardian so hold your nose, but this is a good summary... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/24/chainsaws-disguises-and-toxi
Same with Grenfell. I've just read 'Show Me The Bodies - How We Let Grenfell Happen' by Peter Apps which I'd recommend everybody on here read ASAP, and frankly should be taught as a set text in school. All the way through the residents were saying the place was a death trap, the repairs and renovations were to a poor standard and not safe. never once did anybody at the council think 'stop', instead they marked these people out as troublemakers and kept forcing the work upon them. All the way through people who worked at the manufacturers knew they were producing and selling materials that had catastrophically failed fire tests (one of them burned so ferociously it nearly destroyed the testing lab) and yet they lied, covered up, found work arounds, all to protect their company's corporate brand and profit - again, nobody ever stopping to think of the people whose homes this stuff would end up on.
Is there anybody in this country who currently thinks the railways are pleasant to travel on, doing their job, reliable, affordable? And yet it just sort of persists, and gets worse, and more expensive, because "the contracts, the contracts, the contracts". Avanti get put on notice, so they improve the regularity and reliability of the service, they get a new ten year contract, and immediately reduce the service again. And there's nobody ever saying 'nah that's a bit mucky that, you can't do that'. It's just, shrug, 'well the contract the contract the contract'.
Maddening. | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:02 - Jan 4 with 2906 views | stowmarketrange |
It’s still going on Bazz.My old company made redundancies after the pandemic in 2020,and no union members were kept on when they shut our depot.
Our union took the company to a tribunal but they settled before it got to court.Nobody got their jobs back though. |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:44 - Jan 4 with 2832 views | Juzzie |
"All the way through the residents were saying the place was a death trap, the repairs and renovations were to a poor standard and not safe. never once did anybody at the council think 'stop', instead they marked these people out as troublemakers and kept forcing the work upon them".
Although thankfully not on such a fatal scale, I had the same with my Local Authority/London Borough who were the Freeholder of the flat I owned (36 Flats in total - 19 council tenants, 17 leaseholder owned... Leaseholder ownership will unlikely go 18 or above as they then become a majority).
Nothing but problems in all the years I was there. Shoddy works done that we were paying for, putting tenant repair costs onto Leaseholder service charges ("clerical error".... what, year after year?) and we were undoubtedly marked as troublemakers for simply standing up for ourselves.
When I sold the property three years ago they had to provide a Leaseholder Service Pack which I then send onto the buyers solicitor. This takes up to a month but is usually a couple of weeks in most cases.
I had to chase them 3-4 weeks later as it was holding things up and putting the sale of the flat and the purchase of my house in serious jeopardy. Never had any reply and it turned up at 5.50pm on the very last day of the 4 week period. I'm 99% certain this was done on purpose just to fk me over if possible.
We were probably only a week away from the whole thing collapsing which if it had would have been in a big part because of them holding things up. |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 16:28 - Jan 4 with 2779 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Post office / Horizon show on 14:39 - Jan 4 by Northernr |
It seems the Post Office became absolutely blinded to all logic and reason by protecting the contract and the money with Fujitsu, and of course the oh so important "corporate brand" of both companies.
This is something we're seeing repeat over and over. Contracts, money and corporations over people.
Look at Sheffield, where the council signed a billion quid contract with a third party contractor to sort out the city's streets, which included a ridiculously OTT clause to remove something like 15,000 street trees. And so developed a situation where trees were coming down whether they were healthy or otherwise, because THE CONTRACT, THE CONTRACT. When journos, public etc asked to see the contract, they would send it out with that bit redacted. When people protested, they had them arrested and taken to court. Nobody ever taking a step back and thinking, hang on a minute, this is insane.
It's the guardian so hold your nose, but this is a good summary... https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/oct/24/chainsaws-disguises-and-toxi
Same with Grenfell. I've just read 'Show Me The Bodies - How We Let Grenfell Happen' by Peter Apps which I'd recommend everybody on here read ASAP, and frankly should be taught as a set text in school. All the way through the residents were saying the place was a death trap, the repairs and renovations were to a poor standard and not safe. never once did anybody at the council think 'stop', instead they marked these people out as troublemakers and kept forcing the work upon them. All the way through people who worked at the manufacturers knew they were producing and selling materials that had catastrophically failed fire tests (one of them burned so ferociously it nearly destroyed the testing lab) and yet they lied, covered up, found work arounds, all to protect their company's corporate brand and profit - again, nobody ever stopping to think of the people whose homes this stuff would end up on.
Is there anybody in this country who currently thinks the railways are pleasant to travel on, doing their job, reliable, affordable? And yet it just sort of persists, and gets worse, and more expensive, because "the contracts, the contracts, the contracts". Avanti get put on notice, so they improve the regularity and reliability of the service, they get a new ten year contract, and immediately reduce the service again. And there's nobody ever saying 'nah that's a bit mucky that, you can't do that'. It's just, shrug, 'well the contract the contract the contract'.
Maddening. |
I mean, the story of the trees was always a blatant psyop, a complete distraction from the fact entire postcodes of Sheffield, S3, S4, S5, the Hillsborough end of S6 were and still are all in managed decline. They used it to keep the Socialist types in the posh end of town occupied with their trees, grandstanding about the environment and "council intimidation" on BBC Radio Sheffield every night while old ladies in Darnall, Attercliffe, Firth Park are genuinely being intimidated into a life of utter misery, but yeah. [Post edited 5 Jan 15:08]
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| Post office / Horizon show on 18:53 - Jan 4 with 2618 views | Hooping_Mad |
| Post office / Horizon show on 22:40 - Jan 2 by CamberleyR |
"Home Secretary/CPS/head of the Post Office should all be in the dock"
I can't believe Fujitsu have got away as lightly as they have out of all this as well considering it was their poorly developed, lousily coded, dogshit piece of software in the first place. |
I am in complete agreement. | |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 22:59 - Jan 4 with 2491 views | DannyPaddox |
| Post office / Horizon show on 16:11 - Jan 3 by loftboy |
Watched the first episode and ended up staying up until the early hours watching the rest on ITV X.
Absolutely shocking how those people were treated.
CEO also a minister in the church. Said to my Mrs “told you, you can never trust someone of the cloth” |
I’m sure we’ve had a thread on the PO scandal previously as it was probably that which sent me down a Paula Vennells’ rabbit-hole - in other words, a fetid warren of shameless hypocrisy. I think (even) the church took away (or decided not to give) a title or role to her and began to distance themselves from her. |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 23:57 - Jan 4 with 2442 views | Gus_iom |
Might bring Ed Davey (Who he?) down as well.
Refused to meet Bates when he was PO minister and got a very well paid sinecure fir a legal company....who just happened to be the PO's legal company. Lib Dems say he was unaware of this. | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 01:06 - Jan 5 with 2397 views | Boston |
| Post office / Horizon show on 11:58 - Jan 3 by Mick_S |
I was an agency worker in Uxbridge and Slough last year. Key, experienced workers are leaving in droves as their benefits are systematically being taken away. I have to say that I loved it, due to my work partners, but the depots are not happy places. New contracts are mandatory Saturday and Sunday work - not ideal for most people! There are a few on here more qualified to explain.
Still getting Christmas cards in the new year? |
If you want a Christmas Card to reach anywhere in New Zealand outside of Auckland by Dec 25th, you mail in October. | |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 15:38 - Jan 5 with 2135 views | themodfather |
to think this went on for over 20years, the post office used public funds to bully the sub postmasters who did no wrong, a poxy computer system was the cause, they knew and denied it! some got honours too, ! cbes and all that a effing disgrace. people were sent to jail, ended up bankrupt, some topped themselves and the bosses knew and took awards? kh-unts. a good watch. | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:41 - Jan 5 with 2118 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Can anyone shed any light on the thinking behind Nadhim Zahawi‘s appearance on it? |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:44 - Jan 5 with 2112 views | Northernr |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:41 - Jan 5 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Can anyone shed any light on the thinking behind Nadhim Zahawi‘s appearance on it? |
He was very good tbf. I was sitting there thinking 'fck me they've cast that well'  | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:46 - Jan 5 with 2109 views | flynnbo |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:44 - Jan 5 by Northernr |
He was very good tbf. I was sitting there thinking 'fck me they've cast that well' |
He's no mug; he only wants to reinvent himself as the good guy. |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:48 - Jan 5 with 2105 views | Northernr |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:46 - Jan 5 by flynnbo |
He's no mug; he only wants to reinvent himself as the good guy. |
Yeh I'm sure, but I did genuinely think it was an actor who's spent his entire life waiting for Nadhim Zahawi to arrive in a script somewhere. | | | |
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