| Just supposing... 19:49 - Jan 1 with 6320 views | D_Alien |
The Trust newsletter, which informs us of many things (we may not have otherwise known) includes the annual cost of finding training facilities, c. £500,000 plus the hassle of course
Now, we're on the lookout for an investor. Just supposing a significant business player on the lookout for advertising their community-minded credentials were to find the following attractive:
Working in tandem with the club and Rochdale Council, identify land which could be transformed into a bespoke training facility for Dale
Fund the purchase of the land, and the building of said facility, named after the company involved
Ensure its use as a community facility for when the club aren't using it, and an income generator with perhaps leisure and social facilities inbuilt
The investor would own the facility, but wouldn't own or part-own any of the COA
Build it in the right place and it could be hired out to other clubs, just as we hire other facilities now - the profits would be theirs. Both the club and the council could, however, take a share in the company to derive some income from the facility, if/when it becomes profitable. Such a share taken by the club would invert the relationship from an investor owning part of the club, to the club owning part of the investor-owned facility
Worst case scenario - the investor goes bust, and the training facility with it - but leaving the COA and all who sail in her intact. The council would still have dibs on the land
I'm sure this must have been part of the club's planning, either now or in the past. If the Dale could pull this off though, i see no downside. Dale save £500k per annum, meaning we'd still have to cover any other shortfall, but far more easily manageable. The facility would be an attraction for players to join us - perhaps a major point of not doing as it stands
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| Just supposing... on 20:36 - Jan 2 with 1216 views | rkershaw |
| Just supposing... on 20:22 - Jan 2 by D_Alien |
Re: section 3
Wouldn't the theoretical return of £50,000pa be subject to tax, and therefore the return on their investment rather less?
If a major company were involved (i.e. such as the Co-op but any company of similar stature), what would their advertising budget be pa? In the OP, i factored in the good will that might arise from such an investment, especially tied into a community-friendly facility. It could even be tied into warehousing alongside the facility, for instance at Kingsway. There are plenty of factors that might be considered other than those you've listed, although it's a good analysis in its own right
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As a loyal supporter of both the town's football and rugby league clubs......could we possibly come up with a shared community based facility??......Hornets recently trained over in Leigh. I've already mentioned that in order to maintain professional sport within the borough that we need to both clubs to reach some form of amicable agreement. Both Dale and Hornets need to be supportive of each other in order to survive (in the first instance) and eventually prosper!!l |  | | |
| Just supposing... on 20:47 - Jan 2 with 1147 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Just supposing... on 20:22 - Jan 2 by D_Alien |
Re: section 3
Wouldn't the theoretical return of £50,000pa be subject to tax, and therefore the return on their investment rather less?
If a major company were involved (i.e. such as the Co-op but any company of similar stature), what would their advertising budget be pa? In the OP, i factored in the good will that might arise from such an investment, especially tied into a community-friendly facility. It could even be tied into warehousing alongside the facility, for instance at Kingsway. There are plenty of factors that might be considered other than those you've listed, although it's a good analysis in its own right
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Yes returns from savings accounts and rental would both be subject to tax.
Your advertising budget point is fair but assumes that the corporate entity concerned has the desire and means to first invest that into one specific project rather than a wider campain and then second sustain that regardless of their own business model.
Currently it is expected a third of the world will be recession during 2023, covering the best part of 2 billion people in the world's most developed economies. Corporates will not even consider those types of project in the current environment and their customers are also football's customers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-64142662
The best hope we have IMO is to persuade our Council to support their football club with long term capital projects over decades.
Bury's Council do that admirably as do Oldham's and neither of those have League clubs. So Stockport's and Salford's who have helped non-league teams resecure / secure EFL league status.
I'm not sure how / to what extent that is possible as it completely trancends individuals - councillors and football clubs change. However IMO its the only way Rochdale as a borough has that chance. |  |
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| Just supposing... on 20:51 - Jan 2 with 1133 views | 442Dale |
It would be good to hear updates from the club of how discussions are going with the council on the possibilities of such a project. |  |
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| Just supposing... on 20:54 - Jan 2 with 1123 views | James1980 |
| Just supposing... on 20:51 - Jan 2 by 442Dale |
It would be good to hear updates from the club of how discussions are going with the council on the possibilities of such a project. |
Is it that any plans are on the back burner incase we get relegated? | |
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| Just supposing... on 20:57 - Jan 2 with 1102 views | 442Dale |
| Just supposing... on 20:54 - Jan 2 by James1980 |
Is it that any plans are on the back burner incase we get relegated? |
As it’s an issue that has gone on for so long, it’s hoped that any discussions would have been happening irrespective of on the field (non) performance. | |
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| Just supposing... on 21:15 - Jan 2 with 1038 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Just supposing... on 20:51 - Jan 2 by 442Dale |
It would be good to hear updates from the club of how discussions are going with the council on the possibilities of such a project. |
I don't think there is anything tangible or else we would have heard of it.
Weren't all the previous discussions run by our eminent, now banned, former-CEO who presented at the AGM on 1 June 2021 of a need of a facility similar to Fleetwood Town's.
16th February 2019
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2019/february/davids-diary_16.02.19/
"The day left me with the burning ambition that one day in Rochdale we will enjoy the same facilities that Burnley have, with pitches that looked and played like the first day of the season, and a centre for the development of excellence. To those who may scoff at that ambition, it’s good to remember that we companies in Rochdale like ZEN Internet, who, from a back bedroom start-up, have progressed to a £71 million turnover company, employing 500 staff and are now challenging the top four internet providers in the UK. Richard Tang the founder and now Chairman has had one simple ethic thoroughout his career and that is happy staff = happy customers and happy suppliers!
It’s a great compliment to our Club that our Academy and Community operations achieve so much, without having the best of Club owned resources, so let’s all have that ambition to build that complex in Dale.
22nd February 2019
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2019/february/davids-diary_22.02.19/
"But the visit just further motivates us all to bring a training facility to the Dale for the Dale and in the Dale."
I suspect any update would be limited to no progress following the involvement of Morton House in the affairs of the club and all of the changes in personnel since.
The Council, you would imagine, would promote any significant progress themselves and they are a public body. They too are silent. | |
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| Just supposing... on 21:21 - Jan 2 with 1015 views | 442Dale |
Putting to one side what was said over 18 months ago, with emphasis on the training facility saving the club so much money, it’s what discussions that you’d think would have taken place since that would be of interest. | |
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