| RMT 18:54 - Jun 15 with 16211 views | CountyJim |
Good on you lads power to the people power to the Unions 
They asked the government to sit down and talk but oh no I expect Boris having another party |  | | |  |
| RMT on 23:17 - Jun 16 with 1668 views | Lorax |
| RMT on 14:08 - Jun 16 by Treforys_Jack |
We obviously work or worked for the same company probably in the same rather large building. |
On the enterprise zone? I finished in 2011, a medical retirement. Are you in delivery? |  | | |
| RMT on 00:24 - Jun 17 with 1638 views | jack_lord |
| RMT on 23:17 - Jun 16 by Lorax |
On the enterprise zone? I finished in 2011, a medical retirement. Are you in delivery? |
I have the pleasure of going in to every single one of the South Wales buildings. I have to say that the CWU work very well for the staff. |  |
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| RMT on 01:24 - Jun 17 with 1630 views | Treforys_Jack |
| RMT on 23:17 - Jun 16 by Lorax |
On the enterprise zone? I finished in 2011, a medical retirement. Are you in delivery? |
No in processing, been here since 1991. |  | | |
| RMT on 06:49 - Jun 17 with 1607 views | felixstowe_jack |
| RMT on 19:22 - Jun 16 by jack_lord |
Do you ever have a day off from Labour bashing?
It makes you look petty. |
Well today I am bashing the greedy Unions who's moto seems to be never mind the workers of the UK as long as our greedy members are overpaid we don't care. | |
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| RMT on 09:39 - Jun 17 with 1579 views | GixerJack |
| RMT on 09:16 - Jun 16 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Average NHS worker is about £27K a year and average rail worker £47K.
I agree it is difficult to compare like for like, but rail is a better paid sector. |
You’ve mentioned £47k twice now as being the average wage for rail workers. Is that for all rail workers or just the RMT bargaining sector of the rail industry?
For example, the people working nights cleaning the trains of the treasures that get left behind and are represented by the RMT (who have voted to take action) get paid less than drivers who are represented by ASLEF (who haven’t voted) or management staff who are represented by TSSA (who haven’t voted either).
I suspect that there’s either been some lazy or propaganda inspired journalist has combined all sectors to come up with a misleading figure |  | | |
| RMT on 09:48 - Jun 17 with 1574 views | onehunglow |
| RMT on 06:49 - Jun 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Well today I am bashing the greedy Unions who's moto seems to be never mind the workers of the UK as long as our greedy members are overpaid we don't care. |
My experience of Unions is they care only for the members of their Union.
Bashing is for bishops | |
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| RMT on 10:23 - Jun 17 with 1559 views | Lorax |
| RMT on 01:24 - Jun 17 by Treforys_Jack |
No in processing, been here since 1991. |
Well I probably know you then, at least by sight. Don't hold it against me, I'm a much different person these days  | | | |
| RMT on 10:26 - Jun 17 with 1552 views | Lorax |
| RMT on 09:48 - Jun 17 by onehunglow |
My experience of Unions is they care only for the members of their Union.
Bashing is for bishops |
Alan Johnson, sold the CWU out and ended up in Government. I also saw local reps use the union as a way into management, be a pain in the harris then sellout. | | | |
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| RMT on 11:04 - Jun 17 with 1537 views | jack_lord |
| RMT on 09:48 - Jun 17 by onehunglow |
My experience of Unions is they care only for the members of their Union.
Bashing is for bishops |
Well the clue is in the title. It is a union.
It is a union of the workers who generally may work hard and have a body to collectively bargain on the union's behalf.
I would think that the disruption caused by the industrial action merely highlights how important that sector is to the smooth running of the economy.
I would think that Felix would love the RMT as they advised their member to vote for leaving the EU. | |
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| RMT on 11:11 - Jun 17 with 1535 views | Lorax |
| RMT on 11:04 - Jun 17 by jack_lord |
Well the clue is in the title. It is a union.
It is a union of the workers who generally may work hard and have a body to collectively bargain on the union's behalf.
I would think that the disruption caused by the industrial action merely highlights how important that sector is to the smooth running of the economy.
I would think that Felix would love the RMT as they advised their member to vote for leaving the EU. |
Any union is only as good as it's leaders. Far too many of those at the top aren't there for any reason other than self gain whichever walk of life we talk about. Good union reps/leaders are, like good managers, worth their weight in gold. | | | |
| RMT on 11:32 - Jun 17 with 1519 views | onehunglow |
| RMT on 11:04 - Jun 17 by jack_lord |
Well the clue is in the title. It is a union.
It is a union of the workers who generally may work hard and have a body to collectively bargain on the union's behalf.
I would think that the disruption caused by the industrial action merely highlights how important that sector is to the smooth running of the economy.
I would think that Felix would love the RMT as they advised their member to vote for leaving the EU. |
And a Union should only represent its contributors .
That means it should be politically neutral and not be seeking to bring down any government by shaftingbthose NOT in its Union.
Harking back to the sixties and the eighties, this is what our Unions were about.
And I was a union member once and they were hapless . All about power. Most powerful unions has enormous influence | |
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| RMT on 11:52 - Jun 17 with 1509 views | jack_lord |
| RMT on 11:11 - Jun 17 by Lorax |
Any union is only as good as it's leaders. Far too many of those at the top aren't there for any reason other than self gain whichever walk of life we talk about. Good union reps/leaders are, like good managers, worth their weight in gold. |
Absolutely and it just goes to show the weakness of what we are all about.
While everyone is chasing self interest then their are people who will be left behind (going off on a tangent I know).
Political parties have emerged to protect the general working man because of the self interest of an entirely different group.
Where are we now all in that?
From the point of the workers who have a union then we can only hope that they are good.
It is better to have a union in my opinion, even with the bad leaders. | |
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| RMT on 11:59 - Jun 17 with 1501 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| RMT on 11:52 - Jun 17 by jack_lord |
Absolutely and it just goes to show the weakness of what we are all about.
While everyone is chasing self interest then their are people who will be left behind (going off on a tangent I know).
Political parties have emerged to protect the general working man because of the self interest of an entirely different group.
Where are we now all in that?
From the point of the workers who have a union then we can only hope that they are good.
It is better to have a union in my opinion, even with the bad leaders. |
The headline is that the Tube strike cost two hundred million pounds when the Drivers went on strike for two days.
Bob Crow - “that means every day out members go to work they’re worth 100 million pounds”. True ain’t it . Good on you Bob . |  |
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| RMT on 12:06 - Jun 17 with 1501 views | CountyJim |
All you having a go at the Union they have invited the government to sit down for talks but they have said no so it the government fault | | | |
| RMT on 12:44 - Jun 17 with 1484 views | felixstowe_jack |
| RMT on 12:06 - Jun 17 by CountyJim |
All you having a go at the Union they have invited the government to sit down for talks but they have said no so it the government fault |
It is nothing to do with the Government. This is a fight between greedy workers and their employers who cannot afford these outrageous demands.
During the pandemic the Government and UK taxpayers gave the railway companies and their workers £16 billion in subsidies and furlough payments.
Passenger numbers are still not back to prepandemic levels and the railway companies are loosing millions. Perhaps the railway companies should reduce the number of trains running and axe unprofitable routes. This would of course result in redundancies and if people thought they would be unemployed they might be more reluctant to inflict misery on those people trying to get to work. | |
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| RMT on 13:32 - Jun 17 with 1456 views | jack_lord |
| RMT on 12:44 - Jun 17 by felixstowe_jack |
It is nothing to do with the Government. This is a fight between greedy workers and their employers who cannot afford these outrageous demands.
During the pandemic the Government and UK taxpayers gave the railway companies and their workers £16 billion in subsidies and furlough payments.
Passenger numbers are still not back to prepandemic levels and the railway companies are loosing millions. Perhaps the railway companies should reduce the number of trains running and axe unprofitable routes. This would of course result in redundancies and if people thought they would be unemployed they might be more reluctant to inflict misery on those people trying to get to work. |
Are they greedy workers?
Or are the people who invested in they private railway companies greedy?
All subjective.
It is a fact that the government subsidised these private companies. Was it necessary?
It is a shame that the private companies have made all the profits in the past but not paid for investing in the infrastructure. | |
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| RMT on 13:50 - Jun 17 with 1440 views | onehunglow |
| RMT on 12:06 - Jun 17 by CountyJim |
All you having a go at the Union they have invited the government to sit down for talks but they have said no so it the government fault |
How did you feel when strikers were at the Labour government s throat .
Conservative voters are included in Unions. Fact. | |
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| RMT on 15:05 - Jun 17 with 1413 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| RMT on 09:39 - Jun 17 by GixerJack |
You’ve mentioned £47k twice now as being the average wage for rail workers. Is that for all rail workers or just the RMT bargaining sector of the rail industry?
For example, the people working nights cleaning the trains of the treasures that get left behind and are represented by the RMT (who have voted to take action) get paid less than drivers who are represented by ASLEF (who haven’t voted) or management staff who are represented by TSSA (who haven’t voted either).
I suspect that there’s either been some lazy or propaganda inspired journalist has combined all sectors to come up with a misleading figure |
These are DFT figures for the whole rail industry. |  |
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| RMT on 16:20 - Jun 17 with 1398 views | Lorax |
| RMT on 11:52 - Jun 17 by jack_lord |
Absolutely and it just goes to show the weakness of what we are all about.
While everyone is chasing self interest then their are people who will be left behind (going off on a tangent I know).
Political parties have emerged to protect the general working man because of the self interest of an entirely different group.
Where are we now all in that?
From the point of the workers who have a union then we can only hope that they are good.
It is better to have a union in my opinion, even with the bad leaders. |
I have to disagree, a bad leader can do irreparable damage. Miners still love Scargill but in my eyes he was as guilty as Thatcher for what happened.
Alan Johnson, as I previously mentioned, he sold us down the river because of his ambitions. He told us to sign what turned out to be a very bad deal which paved the way for more bad deals.
Bob Crow says his workers are worth 100 million a day but I wonder, how much does Bob Crow get paid AND he'll still be getting paid when his members are losing pay on strike days. | | | |
| RMT on 16:28 - Jun 17 with 1389 views | felixstowe_jack |
| RMT on 09:48 - Jun 17 by onehunglow |
My experience of Unions is they care only for the members of their Union.
Bashing is for bishops |
My experience of unions having been a union member for over 40 years is that good unions realise that business have to be viable to ensure their members have a job. They work with management to ensure productivity is high and workers are well rewarded.
Bad unions don't really care about their members are happy to sacrifice them to push their Marxist views. Just look what happened to mineworkers, ship workers, car manufacturers all these industries collapsed because the unions were not prepared to accept modern working conditions and of course many people lost their jobs while union leaders earned huge sums with benefits pensions and often a union House rent free. | |
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| RMT on 18:00 - Jun 17 with 1366 views | GixerJack |
| RMT on 15:05 - Jun 17 by JACKMANANDBOY |
These are DFT figures for the whole rail industry. |
Thanks for clarifying. It therefore includes the high earners which puts the £47k headline into perspective, and in my humble opinion suggests that the lower earners are nowhere near this number. | | | |
| RMT on 18:06 - Jun 17 with 1356 views | Whiterockin |
| RMT on 18:00 - Jun 17 by GixerJack |
Thanks for clarifying. It therefore includes the high earners which puts the £47k headline into perspective, and in my humble opinion suggests that the lower earners are nowhere near this number. |
This could help, it shows the basic train drivers salary without evenings, weekends, bank holidays or overtime.
https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/job-profiles/train-driver |  | | |
| RMT on 18:08 - Jun 17 with 1346 views | GixerJack |
| RMT on 16:20 - Jun 17 by Lorax |
I have to disagree, a bad leader can do irreparable damage. Miners still love Scargill but in my eyes he was as guilty as Thatcher for what happened.
Alan Johnson, as I previously mentioned, he sold us down the river because of his ambitions. He told us to sign what turned out to be a very bad deal which paved the way for more bad deals.
Bob Crow says his workers are worth 100 million a day but I wonder, how much does Bob Crow get paid AND he'll still be getting paid when his members are losing pay on strike days. |
Bob Crow died a few years ago.
Lynch is the RMT leader now, he was on the telly box a few nights ago but I can’t remember his first name | | | |
| RMT on 19:14 - Jun 17 with 1316 views | Treforys_Jack |
| RMT on 10:23 - Jun 17 by Lorax |
Well I probably know you then, at least by sight. Don't hold it against me, I'm a much different person these days |
PM sent | | | |
| RMT on 19:15 - Jun 17 with 1316 views | Lorax |
| RMT on 18:00 - Jun 17 by GixerJack |
Thanks for clarifying. It therefore includes the high earners which puts the £47k headline into perspective, and in my humble opinion suggests that the lower earners are nowhere near this number. |
The 47k was given as an average wasn't it? That suggests there are people on a lot less as there are people on a lot more. | | | |
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