| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:18 - Jan 7 with 13755 views | UpTheDaleNotForSale |
Feels like this could get a lot of coverage... we wonder if these people are ready for all of the research, information and allegations to suddenly become a lot more public?
- Andrew (Andy) Curran
- Darrell Rose
- Faical (Faisal) Safouane
- Denise Valerie Courtnell
- Matt Southall
- Alexander Jarvis
- All the other bit-part players
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:24 - Jan 7 with 13683 views | seasidedale |
Looking at this on the negative side, if Morton house win and we have to pay compensation, it could have serious ramifications to the club, we could have to sell player ect or worse still they could regain the shares. And takeover the club.
Of course it depends what’s in the summons’s |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:28 - Jan 7 with 13633 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:24 - Jan 7 by seasidedale |
Looking at this on the negative side, if Morton house win and we have to pay compensation, it could have serious ramifications to the club, we could have to sell player ect or worse still they could regain the shares. And takeover the club.
Of course it depends what’s in the summons’s |
On the positive side, the faceless invisible Morton House might have to come out of the shadows into the glare of the public spotlight and the courts.
Must mean that Matthew Southall couldn't get his deal done:
https://the72.co.uk/250534/former-charlton-athletic-chairman-matt-southall-agree
And where are the EFL? EFL said in August 2021:
Having considered the request for information made of them, Morton House MGT, on behalf of its directors, and representatives, has now informed the League that it is formally withdrawing from the approval process and plans to divest the shares acquired in the Club at the earliest opportunity.
Furthermore, Morton House MGT, its directors, and representatives, have confirmed to the League they are refusing to co-operate with the League’s ongoing investigations. Despite these developments, the EFL will be continuing with its disciplinary investigations into this matter and will take the most appropriate action available to it under its Regulations.
Morton House tell the EFL they are withdrawing. Morton House now suing the Dale Trust and the club.
Not the actions of someone withdrawing.
I wonder if the EFL have seen them comply yet.
What a shambles from Rick Parry and his team. |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:32 - Jan 7 with 13590 views | EllDale |
Looking at the wording of the statement have Morton House issued a summons against the club as a body or the board as individuals? | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:37 - Jan 7 with 13524 views | HullDale |
I seem to remember when Southall first appeared (as in publicly, not at the chippy in April) that he threatened to sue individuals on the board.
This all sounds big and scary, but in reality feels like a desperate last throw of the dice by 'Morton House'... I reckon it adds more weight to the EFL investigation into them too. I wonder if their aim here isn't so much to go to the high court and fight there (as everything rumoured about them could come out) but instead to try and force the club into a 'settlement agreement' to buy the shares back at the price they paid.
Interesting times. Gut feeling is we need to support the club in making this very, very visible very, very quickly. |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:38 - Jan 7 with 13501 views | D_Alien |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:28 - Jan 7 by RAFCBLUE |
On the positive side, the faceless invisible Morton House might have to come out of the shadows into the glare of the public spotlight and the courts.
Must mean that Matthew Southall couldn't get his deal done:
https://the72.co.uk/250534/former-charlton-athletic-chairman-matt-southall-agree
And where are the EFL? EFL said in August 2021:
Having considered the request for information made of them, Morton House MGT, on behalf of its directors, and representatives, has now informed the League that it is formally withdrawing from the approval process and plans to divest the shares acquired in the Club at the earliest opportunity.
Furthermore, Morton House MGT, its directors, and representatives, have confirmed to the League they are refusing to co-operate with the League’s ongoing investigations. Despite these developments, the EFL will be continuing with its disciplinary investigations into this matter and will take the most appropriate action available to it under its Regulations.
Morton House tell the EFL they are withdrawing. Morton House now suing the Dale Trust and the club.
Not the actions of someone withdrawing.
I wonder if the EFL have seen them comply yet.
What a shambles from Rick Parry and his team. |
The EFL have a great deal to answer for. If they'd been proactive on behalf of their member clubs it wouldn't have to come this. Indeed, i'd go so far as to say that their inaction has emboldened the Morton House crew, who would no doubt have been waiting to see what action the EFL were going to take in the light of their August statement |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:42 - Jan 7 with 13447 views | fitzochris |
Doesn’t Morton House currently consist of one man who moonlights at Argos? |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:47 - Jan 7 with 13400 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:38 - Jan 7 by D_Alien |
The EFL have a great deal to answer for. If they'd been proactive on behalf of their member clubs it wouldn't have to come this. Indeed, i'd go so far as to say that their inaction has emboldened the Morton House crew, who would no doubt have been waiting to see what action the EFL were going to take in the light of their August statement |
This might be the end for the EFL and they must have to take some form of action based on available evidence.
Do nothing - basically says the EFL and it's OADT test is pointless.
Morton House has changed its legal owner (Darrell Rose to Faical Safouane) but is still pursuing the club.
That's a massive F*CK YOU delivered to the EFL today. Morton House told them in August they wouldn't be bothering complying. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:47 - Jan 7 with 13396 views | BigKindo |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:28 - Jan 7 by RAFCBLUE |
On the positive side, the faceless invisible Morton House might have to come out of the shadows into the glare of the public spotlight and the courts.
Must mean that Matthew Southall couldn't get his deal done:
https://the72.co.uk/250534/former-charlton-athletic-chairman-matt-southall-agree
And where are the EFL? EFL said in August 2021:
Having considered the request for information made of them, Morton House MGT, on behalf of its directors, and representatives, has now informed the League that it is formally withdrawing from the approval process and plans to divest the shares acquired in the Club at the earliest opportunity.
Furthermore, Morton House MGT, its directors, and representatives, have confirmed to the League they are refusing to co-operate with the League’s ongoing investigations. Despite these developments, the EFL will be continuing with its disciplinary investigations into this matter and will take the most appropriate action available to it under its Regulations.
Morton House tell the EFL they are withdrawing. Morton House now suing the Dale Trust and the club.
Not the actions of someone withdrawing.
I wonder if the EFL have seen them comply yet.
What a shambles from Rick Parry and his team. |
In my opinion not a very clever action on behalf of Morton House et al. It will provide a public platform for all and sundry as to the motives and actions of these 'businessmen' and which will not be of benefit to their reputations in the long run. Who would want to have their dirty washing aired in public? Or is another smoke and mirrors action like Southall's previous threat of a court action? I guess that certain parties may be behind this in an attempt to recover monies shelled out and are perhaps putting pressure on others. Perhaps the investigations into funding sources, accusations of homophobia etc are progressing towards conclusions. and the panic button has been hit?
I assume that all interested parties who have previously been kept in the loop, eg the EFL, the FA are being advised sooner rather than later. |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:49 - Jan 7 with 13363 views | judd |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:47 - Jan 7 by BigKindo |
In my opinion not a very clever action on behalf of Morton House et al. It will provide a public platform for all and sundry as to the motives and actions of these 'businessmen' and which will not be of benefit to their reputations in the long run. Who would want to have their dirty washing aired in public? Or is another smoke and mirrors action like Southall's previous threat of a court action? I guess that certain parties may be behind this in an attempt to recover monies shelled out and are perhaps putting pressure on others. Perhaps the investigations into funding sources, accusations of homophobia etc are progressing towards conclusions. and the panic button has been hit?
I assume that all interested parties who have previously been kept in the loop, eg the EFL, the FA are being advised sooner rather than later. |
I'd imagine £10k in claim fees will have been lodged |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:02 - Jan 7 with 13255 views | SuddenLad |
This smacks of a last desperate act of someone trying to save face. I can't wait for the various versions of the 'truth' to emerge and to be compared to what we already know.
I hope the various individuals will be 'invited' to make statements concerning their own involvements and the roles they each played. Fascinating. All will be revealed. |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:06 - Jan 7 with 13202 views | Sandyman |
Plenty that doesn't add up here...
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03779852
As mentioned on here recently, Southall isn't the most reliable where Companies House information is involved.
There have been numerous threats towards OUR club in recent months by parties who want it for their own egregious interests that have amounted to nothing. Non-shareholder Southall threatening High Court action to stop the last EGM for example. That came to nothing. In desperation, some cockamimi action is drawn up in a lame attempt to put the frighteners on so RAFC will buy up their shares that they have been unable to "divest" (as they told the EFL) since last August. Wonder why they can't sell them? 
Time for the EFL to put a stop to them once and for all. One wonders about the involvement of a 50+ years supporter of "this wonderful football club" in all this malarkey? |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:28 - Jan 7 with 13034 views | fermin |
Could this (also) be about the recent share issue vote and the dilution of share value and not just the original purchase? I am not sure what the club and the Trust had to do with the original purchase from the shareholders so can't see the basis for a claim there. The club was just following EFL rules.
The statement is deliberately vague so difficult to say what it is about in particular. |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:34 - Jan 7 with 12985 views | boromat |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:28 - Jan 7 by fermin |
Could this (also) be about the recent share issue vote and the dilution of share value and not just the original purchase? I am not sure what the club and the Trust had to do with the original purchase from the shareholders so can't see the basis for a claim there. The club was just following EFL rules.
The statement is deliberately vague so difficult to say what it is about in particular. |
Surely the fact they hadn't passed on share transfer forms to the club means that they weren't officially shareholders at the time.
Either way I'm sure all actions of the board were under legal advise. This doesn't feel like something we should be too worried about. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:39 - Jan 7 with 12942 views | 442Dale |
What would be the basis of including the Trust in this? |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:43 - Jan 7 with 12906 views | judd |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:39 - Jan 7 by 442Dale |
What would be the basis of including the Trust in this? |
Sabre rattling | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:43 - Jan 7 with 12911 views | UpTheDaleNotForSale |
The instant reaction from lots of Charlton fans is that this is a common tactic they saw from Matt Southall & his cronies.
Is it a concerning pain in the backside? Yes.
Is it cause to be unduly concerned? Probably not.
One thing to take from this is probably that its safe to say Morton House don't want anything more to do with RAFC - this certainly isn't the action of a 'company' wanting to get fans / shareholders / governing bodies / the wider public on side ahead of involvement in the club.
By taking on the Trust, they are by proxy taking on every single Rochdale fan all over the globe. We are up for the fight.
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:46 - Jan 7 with 12893 views | SuddenLad |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:39 - Jan 7 by 442Dale |
What would be the basis of including the Trust in this? |
A 'catch-all' action.
"If we don't get one, we'll try for the other lot"
Pathetic. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:46 - Jan 7 with 12889 views | UpTheDaleNotForSale |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:42 - Jan 7 by fitzochris |
Doesn’t Morton House currently consist of one man who moonlights at Argos? |
Any concerns of this nature can, and probably should, be sent directly to their CEO Simon Roberts - he can be contacted at simon.roberts@sainsburys.co.uk | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 18:32 - Jan 7 with 12615 views | DaleiLama |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 16:42 - Jan 7 by fitzochris |
Doesn’t Morton House currently consist of one man who moonlights at Argos? |
Presumably this is for damages resulting from the consequential loss of Nectar points on a £1.2m purchase that went off the rails?
Surely "Our Jarv" is culpable too? Unless he bunged Morton his Green Shield Stamp collection? |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 18:41 - Jan 7 with 12576 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 17:43 - Jan 7 by judd |
Sabre rattling |
In my mind, judd, the only outlet that Morton House have available to them is to do a deal with the Trust.
If you think about it, all that has happened here is that there a large long term shareholder who had locked up a large wedge of capital in shares in Rochdale. He was the largest shareholder.
Brian dies in May 2014 and his son, Andrew, gets the shares. No cash inheritance but still a place in the club. But not cash.
Andrew eventually becomes Chairman when Dunphy goes - largest shareholder privilege, wealthy chap.
But still not cash rich.
Then, one day, an absolute cretin come along and persuades Andrew Kilpatrick that he will part with his shares in return for a big bag of gold and silver coins.
An exchange occurs (clearly contrary to EFL rules) but never the less Andrew Kilpatrick walks away with the big bag of gold and silver coins and Morton House have the worthless piece of paper.
Minority shareholdings are worthless.
This appears to be an attempt to frighten the club and Trust and supporters.
This appears to be a great big two fingers up to Rick Parry, the EFL and the EFL's processes.
What nice people. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 18:52 - Jan 7 with 12518 views | judd |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 18:41 - Jan 7 by RAFCBLUE |
In my mind, judd, the only outlet that Morton House have available to them is to do a deal with the Trust.
If you think about it, all that has happened here is that there a large long term shareholder who had locked up a large wedge of capital in shares in Rochdale. He was the largest shareholder.
Brian dies in May 2014 and his son, Andrew, gets the shares. No cash inheritance but still a place in the club. But not cash.
Andrew eventually becomes Chairman when Dunphy goes - largest shareholder privilege, wealthy chap.
But still not cash rich.
Then, one day, an absolute cretin come along and persuades Andrew Kilpatrick that he will part with his shares in return for a big bag of gold and silver coins.
An exchange occurs (clearly contrary to EFL rules) but never the less Andrew Kilpatrick walks away with the big bag of gold and silver coins and Morton House have the worthless piece of paper.
Minority shareholdings are worthless.
This appears to be an attempt to frighten the club and Trust and supporters.
This appears to be a great big two fingers up to Rick Parry, the EFL and the EFL's processes.
What nice people. |
Or maybe they look to unwind the original acquisitions? | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 19:08 - Jan 7 with 12432 views | RAFCBLUE |
| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 18:52 - Jan 7 by judd |
Or maybe they look to unwind the original acquisitions? |
That must be long gone. Can you see any selling shareholder putting their money in a building society account for a rainy day?
You'd have thought after the EFL announced in August they were all under investigation that the conversation went like this:
"Jarvo - can we get out of those share deals?"
"Yes boss"
"Boss - actually, we can't"
"What about the money"
"Paid boss"
"All of it"
"Yes boss"
"How much?"
"£1.2m"
"Jeez Jarvo - £1.2m"
"Don't worry boss. I'm getting my mate Matt Southall involved"
"He want's to pay £1.2m?"
"No, he's going to leak that he has a deal and pretend that he is and hope that other investors appear"
"Good idea. "
3 months passes by
"Jarvo"
"Yes boss"
"Has Southall sorted it"
"No boss"
"What's the matter now?"
"No buyer boss"
"No buyer?"
"Not at £1.2m boss. We were stung"
And so we begin 2022.
Shares bought in July 2021.
EFL investigation in August 2021.
Threat of legal action in January 2022.
EFL and the media will be all over this.
"Invisible Morton House" - Matt Southall isn't a director but seemingly is very close to be able to talk to them.
Who is in charge there now Darrell Rose ran away when the EFL started to investigate? | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Dale Trust and club sued by invisible Morton House on 19:10 - Jan 7 with 12416 views | 49thseason |
Hmmm. So Morton House think they have a claim against the Directors AND the Trust Directors. First and foremost there has to be a financial loss or an unfair prejudice as a result of actions taken by those named. Where is the loss that is attributable to those named? MH made private offers to buy shares from certain shareholders in private limited company. Some people agreed to sell and money was paid. So far so good. Has the board been informed of these transactions? MH still own their shares. Where is the loss? If they have sold the shares to Southall, where is the loss and what possible involvement does RAFC have in this arrangement?
The Directors decided to issue more shares to raise further finance, its a very common occurance as anyone who invests in shares will tell you. Where is the loss to MH? Did they attempt to buy more shares to maintain their percentage ownership? If not, why not? where is the loss?
Could the RAFC Directors have agreed to accept the share purchases without the agreement of the EFL? Apparently not. MH then refused to take part in the required EFL processes, this has no bearing on RAFC Directors or Trust.
So we are left with a malicious law suit which on the face of it seems doomed to failure and given the attitude of former MH directors towards the RAFC directors could involve MH in a raft of expenses and possible claims for damages.
Any Lawyer will tell you that going legal should be a last resort when every other avenue has failed. I hope their lawyers get cash up front!
The bottom line is that you cant hatch a plan, execute it poorly, refuse to take part in required processes, insult people and then expect the people on the receiving end of "the plan" to pay you when it goes tits up. This seems like the last resort of scoundrels. |  | | |
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