| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City 09:58 - Aug 19 with 3165 views | UpTheDaleNotForSale |
As we know, A. Jarvis of Blackbridge was involved in the failed attempt to buy Hull City relatively recently.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/who-alexande
This deal fell through, and there are striking similarities between the Hull situation and the attempted hostile takeover of Dale by #AndyCurran #DarrellRose #MortonHouse #FaicalSafouane and #DeniseCourtnell - namely the massive overvalution of the club by the potential investors (detail on the link below)
https://thenextweb.com/news/hull-city-cryptocurrency-buyout-fallen-through
The question we keep returning to... #AndyCurran went from 'having nothing to do with Rochdale' to wanting to invest, use it as a place for beers with mates, and ultimately (according to Jarvis) make a profit on their investment.
If the shares bought are overvalued (rumoured to be offering 5x the share value of £2), plus legal fees, plus fees to #GatleyPLC, plus throwing around £10K 'finders fees' like confetti - where exactly is the profit going to come from?
- Where is the money for the purchase coming from?
- Why is the club being so overvalued?
- How do they intend to make a profit?
- Why Rochdale for a beer / play thing? When its so far away?
- Most importantly, is it Jingles or Puggles that Andy is planning to bring to Dale? & why is the other one not allowed? |  |
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| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 14:35 - Aug 19 with 2808 views | NorthernDale |
Theses are vital questions the press need to examine, in that Andrew Curran refuses to say where as his money come from.
Other questions must include,
1, We have not had answers to how Mr Andrew Kirk Curran as made his money, how can someone with no visible income buy a house for £1.2 million? Where is the oney coming from to buy the club, when the clearly have not got the money to buy the club themselves?
2, Andrew Curran connections to the disgraced Lee Power (formerly of Swindon FC and also the disgraced accountant Paul Manley must be examined.
3, Andrew Curran, Darrell Rose and Morton House Management ignored he rules on buying shares, why?
4. Andrew Curran payed his sons wages at Swindon Town and it is said he did the same at Colchester and Southend, which is in breach of the EFL rules, Again somebody who breaks the rules constantly, is he an acceptable person to be involved in running a football club?
5, Andrew Curran and Darrell Rose claims to friends, but the is possible evidence in fact that are related, so why hide the family connection. Also Darrell Rose family have an history of dissolving companies, is the type of family the EFL wanting running a club?
6, We must look at the business connections of Denise Courtnell of Morton House Management (with at least 4 dissolved or former directorship in different companies), who as been a director of a number of companies with a Mark Foster (4 dissolved companies). Mark Foster, is also connected to Donna Nada (3 dissolved companies and a possible relative of Denise Courtnell), who is connected to Mark Farrugia (6 dissolved companies), a former director of the dissolved Supreme-O-Construction, which Andrew Curran was also a director, many suspect that Denise is also related to Andrew Curran. So how can you let Morton House Management take over Rochdale Football Club, with such business history of dissolved companies and questionable links to directors with poor business history, we have already had the experience of Steve Dale at Bury FC.
7, Morton House Management had a value of around £160,000, then suddenly it rose to around £4, 160,000, with liabilities (amazing enough) of £4 million, so leaving the true asset of the business at around £160,000. So where did the money come from? Why inflate the value of the business, just as they were seeking the EFL approval to take over Rochdale FC? Was it an attempt to defraud the EFL into believing that they financial ability to buy shares and invest into a club, when they clearly had not got the money.
8. Why offer £10 a share for shares in Rochdale FC,when there true value is just £2, what is the aim? They admitted they want a return on their investment, but the only way to do this is to sell the assets of the club or take money via the EFL payments, which would put the club financial existence at stake and crucially how many other owners are taking money out of EFL clubs.
9, Why lie to the press at the financial stability of the club, which as been exposed by the club as totally false, was this to undermine the financial stability of the club, to assist in the take over of a financial stable club. Is this acceptable behaviour and how can you trust somebody who behaves in this way.
10. The have made homophobic remarks and condescending remarks about the people of the town and supporters of the club, is this acceptable for people looking to run a football club?
These are vital questions that should be investigated, in that we have had the experiences of Bury, Macclesfield and the near demise of Swindon, so the are so many questions about teh suitability of the people involved and the reasons and aims of taking over a club, like Rochdale. [Post edited 19 Aug 2021 15:06]
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| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 21:07 - Aug 20 with 2364 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 14:35 - Aug 19 by NorthernDale |
Theses are vital questions the press need to examine, in that Andrew Curran refuses to say where as his money come from.
Other questions must include,
1, We have not had answers to how Mr Andrew Kirk Curran as made his money, how can someone with no visible income buy a house for £1.2 million? Where is the oney coming from to buy the club, when the clearly have not got the money to buy the club themselves?
2, Andrew Curran connections to the disgraced Lee Power (formerly of Swindon FC and also the disgraced accountant Paul Manley must be examined.
3, Andrew Curran, Darrell Rose and Morton House Management ignored he rules on buying shares, why?
4. Andrew Curran payed his sons wages at Swindon Town and it is said he did the same at Colchester and Southend, which is in breach of the EFL rules, Again somebody who breaks the rules constantly, is he an acceptable person to be involved in running a football club?
5, Andrew Curran and Darrell Rose claims to friends, but the is possible evidence in fact that are related, so why hide the family connection. Also Darrell Rose family have an history of dissolving companies, is the type of family the EFL wanting running a club?
6, We must look at the business connections of Denise Courtnell of Morton House Management (with at least 4 dissolved or former directorship in different companies), who as been a director of a number of companies with a Mark Foster (4 dissolved companies). Mark Foster, is also connected to Donna Nada (3 dissolved companies and a possible relative of Denise Courtnell), who is connected to Mark Farrugia (6 dissolved companies), a former director of the dissolved Supreme-O-Construction, which Andrew Curran was also a director, many suspect that Denise is also related to Andrew Curran. So how can you let Morton House Management take over Rochdale Football Club, with such business history of dissolved companies and questionable links to directors with poor business history, we have already had the experience of Steve Dale at Bury FC.
7, Morton House Management had a value of around £160,000, then suddenly it rose to around £4, 160,000, with liabilities (amazing enough) of £4 million, so leaving the true asset of the business at around £160,000. So where did the money come from? Why inflate the value of the business, just as they were seeking the EFL approval to take over Rochdale FC? Was it an attempt to defraud the EFL into believing that they financial ability to buy shares and invest into a club, when they clearly had not got the money.
8. Why offer £10 a share for shares in Rochdale FC,when there true value is just £2, what is the aim? They admitted they want a return on their investment, but the only way to do this is to sell the assets of the club or take money via the EFL payments, which would put the club financial existence at stake and crucially how many other owners are taking money out of EFL clubs.
9, Why lie to the press at the financial stability of the club, which as been exposed by the club as totally false, was this to undermine the financial stability of the club, to assist in the take over of a financial stable club. Is this acceptable behaviour and how can you trust somebody who behaves in this way.
10. The have made homophobic remarks and condescending remarks about the people of the town and supporters of the club, is this acceptable for people looking to run a football club?
These are vital questions that should be investigated, in that we have had the experiences of Bury, Macclesfield and the near demise of Swindon, so the are so many questions about teh suitability of the people involved and the reasons and aims of taking over a club, like Rochdale. [Post edited 19 Aug 2021 15:06]
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Hi NorthernDale
RE: Question 1. I think it should read:
How can Andrew Kirk Curran as someone with no visible business income, role or business success buy:
1) A house for £1.2m in Ingatestone, Essex
2) A £0.3m Rolls Royce from LKC Motors Limited + VAT
3) A £0.3m Buy-to-Let property at 29 Joan Road, Dagenham
4) Other Buy-to-Let property
5) Other cars
6) Racehorses
7) Puggles and Jingles
In his family name there has to be £5m of assets easily, some with mortgages with well known banks. |  |
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| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 21:20 - Aug 20 with 2313 views | James1980 |
| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 21:07 - Aug 20 by RAFCBLUE |
Hi NorthernDale
RE: Question 1. I think it should read:
How can Andrew Kirk Curran as someone with no visible business income, role or business success buy:
1) A house for £1.2m in Ingatestone, Essex
2) A £0.3m Rolls Royce from LKC Motors Limited + VAT
3) A £0.3m Buy-to-Let property at 29 Joan Road, Dagenham
4) Other Buy-to-Let property
5) Other cars
6) Racehorses
7) Puggles and Jingles
In his family name there has to be £5m of assets easily, some with mortgages with well known banks. |
Only legitimate reasons I can think of for the sums involved
Lottery and or pools win.
A substantial inheritance.
Some shrewd or very lucky investment decisions
Extremely frugal and scrimped and saved every penny (most like that stay like that and wouldn't be 'buying' a football club 200 miles away) | |
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| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 22:18 - Aug 20 with 2206 views | _Windydale |
I remember the old GMR guy Mike Brookes, he had an opinion. I bet he would have something to say about this sh1t storm. I used to enjoy his GMR commentary. | | | |
| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 22:27 - Aug 20 with 2189 views | R17ALE |
| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 22:18 - Aug 20 by _Windydale |
I remember the old GMR guy Mike Brookes, he had an opinion. I bet he would have something to say about this sh1t storm. I used to enjoy his GMR commentary. |
I can assure you he wasn't a proper fan either.
He'd have taken money to be a pro hostile takeover mouthpiece, spouting shite at us.
Under the pretence he's a lifelong fan. |  |
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| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 22:43 - Aug 20 with 2166 views | pioneer |
| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 22:27 - Aug 20 by R17ALE |
I can assure you he wasn't a proper fan either.
He'd have taken money to be a pro hostile takeover mouthpiece, spouting shite at us.
Under the pretence he's a lifelong fan. |
I remember him travelling to away games during some of the clubs darkest days. I remember him helping carry the blanket round at half time when folks were asked to throw in their coppers.
It is quitepossible their would not be a club here today without the efforts of those folks ….it wasnt only the overcoat men who kept the club going.
Those who drink the water must remember those who dug the well (chinese proverb). | | | |
| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 22:44 - Aug 20 with 2160 views | kel |
Liked a club tie though. |  | | |
| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 23:01 - Aug 20 with 2132 views | RAFCBLUE |
| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 21:20 - Aug 20 by James1980 |
Only legitimate reasons I can think of for the sums involved
Lottery and or pools win.
A substantial inheritance.
Some shrewd or very lucky investment decisions
Extremely frugal and scrimped and saved every penny (most like that stay like that and wouldn't be 'buying' a football club 200 miles away) |
Let's take those in turn:
Andy Curran Lottery winner
Theoretically possible; statistically highly unlikely. To have circa £5m of assets and be able to spend £1m on shares for a minority stake in a football club indicates quite a lot of disposable cash.
Andy Curran Pools winner
The last substantial Pools win was in 2011 when a syndicate of 4 people shared £3m.
Andy Curran was not in that syndicate. He was busy being involved with Supreme-O-Construction Limited instead.
Andy Curran shrewd or very lucky investment decision maker
There is nothing in the public domain to suggest this. Effectively investments are usually made via private companies and there is no record of anything other than significant losses at Companies House.
Andy Curran extremely frugal and scrimped and saved every penny
To afford a £1.1m house and other assets Andy would have needed a surplus of income over expenditure well above the after wage.
After tax, we would have had to not spent a penny.
He would also not be able to afford his mortgage with Santander on the Essex mansion or the Barclays mortgage on the 29 Joan Road, Dagenham buy to let property without some source of recurring regular income. | |
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| Alexander Jarvis & Hull City on 07:17 - Aug 21 with 2000 views | NorthernDale |
Andrew Curran, the man with a money tree or the goose that laid golden eggs! | | | |
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