| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? 14:33 - Aug 18 with 9287 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:15 - Aug 19 with 835 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 21:22 - Aug 18 by onehunglow |
or 365.
Same could be said for many who monitor this site only to cause friction.
I heard Russy make out Sheff Utd were a really great outfit too who would be right up there.
Not now they are not. |
You don't think SHeff Utd are one of the stronger teams in this division?
You don't think they'll be up there at the end of the season? |  |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:18 - Aug 19 with 818 views | onehunglow |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:15 - Aug 19 by jackrmee |
You don't think SHeff Utd are one of the stronger teams in this division?
You don't think they'll be up there at the end of the season? |
I think RIGHT NOW,they look awful and so as thing stand no they wont be,but I might be wrong.
Frankly,I'm not @rsed. |  |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:24 - Aug 19 with 817 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 04:05 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Correct.
I’m yet to see anyone slag off the manager yet. Most posts I have seen are regarding the style of play being too drastically implemented accompanying the belief we don’t have the players to be able to do this successfully.
I understand what he’s doing, but from what I can see, this style is hurting us not helping us and don’t have the belief the team are going to turn into Leon Brittons, Angel Rangels, Ashley Williams’ and Nathan Dyer’s like many people bizarrely seem to think after a bit training.
So my issue with the manager will come if after the window, if we still clearly don’t have the technical talent within the squad and he still persists with it, despite it clearly not working for all the reasons listed.
As it stands I am hopeful it’s just a manager in an experimental stage that won’t put stubbornness and ego above the health of the club. That’s my hope anyway, so as a manager I am not in the least bit turning on him.
It’s then up to the owners how committed they are to the style to get those players in. While Russ hopefully has the sense to adapt the style until we can get those technical players in. Bannan would have been a good addition as it goes.
I just hope the penny drops sooner rather than later because this could get extremely painful very quickly.
And those advocating for relegation. Just stop, it’s an extremely arrogant opinion that this club could absorb such a thing. We will lose more players, lose a lot of income, our scope of players will drastically reduce, staff and facilities may need to be done away with.
It’s naive to think of it simply as a reset; it would be a gigantic hinderance to the club at all levels and could well lead to further problems both on and off the field. On your way up through the levels it’s fine and you have the chance to budget accordingly… going backwards through the levels is disastrous as you immediately carry the financial burden of the league above.
It needs to be avoided like the plague, not welcomed. |
We should not get relegated.
Even with these players, and no signings. The players we have here should not get relegated, never mind what tactics they get asked to play.
If they do go down, it's not because of a change of tactics, it would be because of a total inability to understand the new tactics. That would then be the fault of the management team.
If that happened, it would be because Rm and his team aren't up to the job, not because our players are not up to the job.
That's my opinion. And this cannot be judgeed yet.
We need to give the manager time and believe that he has the tactical nous, and the leadership and teaching skills of his team, in order to instil this into young players.
If he can't do that, then he will have to go.
But I do not believe we should then revert to before, and resign Cooper, or another manger of that ilk.
We should then sack Martin and get another manager exactly like him, who is better at being a manager and a teacher of men. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:28 - Aug 19 with 811 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 09:49 - Aug 19 by onehunglow |
Really!.
o our ditant owners have bought into Russy's plan.
Now then,reflect and look at matters with a more discerning eye.
I hope I am wrong,genuinely,but this could be a cataclysmic fark up and I might be the first one to point it out. AS THING STAND,nobody can be truly sanguine about this season and all this "support" is all empty HOPE-nothing more.
I believe if we get shafted at Brizzle and fail to beat abject Preston then the "plan" will be seen to be a clusterfark which took us all but mainly by our owners and chairman.
Today,Bournemouth BOURNEMOUTH,that famous huge south coast club are signing Gary Cahill,a proven top Prem League performer and England international. Look at what we have and weep then tell me we have been well run . |
So you think we should sign aging, semi retired, ex premier league players for big wages, rather than teach our kids to play in different ways? | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:30 - Aug 19 with 808 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:18 - Aug 19 by onehunglow |
I think RIGHT NOW,they look awful and so as thing stand no they wont be,but I might be wrong.
Frankly,I'm not @rsed. |
Or are you just judging them after seeing them play one match, against us? | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:35 - Aug 19 with 802 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 08:05 - Aug 19 by 34dfgdf54 |
I saw a tweet earlier, haven't actually checked if correct but wouldn't surprise me in slightest. MK Dons when he took over only won once in first 8, but then ended up 9th with one game to go.
It takes time to implement change, which the vast majority called for including me. He needs patience. We have lost arguably best player in Championship after Buendia, plus other outstanding players like Guehi, 12 of the 18 man squad agaisnt Stoke were 22 or under, we have hardly had a pre season, first few months were always going to be painful.
Give the guy time. |
In terms of league games, in his first 10 games in charge he won 3, drew 3 and lost 4.
12 points from 10 games.
So from here… win 3, draw 2 and lose 2, 11 points from the next 7 and we will be in the same boat.
Looks a million miles off, doesn’t it? |  |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:36 - Aug 19 with 794 views | onehunglow |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:30 - Aug 19 by jackrmee |
Or are you just judging them after seeing them play one match, against us? |
No | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:41 - Aug 19 with 799 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:35 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
In terms of league games, in his first 10 games in charge he won 3, drew 3 and lost 4.
12 points from 10 games.
So from here… win 3, draw 2 and lose 2, 11 points from the next 7 and we will be in the same boat.
Looks a million miles off, doesn’t it? |
What about Potter's start? | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:54 - Aug 19 with 777 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:41 - Aug 19 by jackrmee |
What about Potter's start? |
Potter:- 4 wins, 4 draws, 2 losses. 16 points from 10 games.
Cooper:- 6 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss. 21 points from 10 games.
Martinez:- 6 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss. 21 points from 10 games.
All the above changed the styles, all required time to perfect and develop… but all showed it would clearly work very quickly. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:58 - Aug 19 with 774 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:54 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Potter:- 4 wins, 4 draws, 2 losses. 16 points from 10 games.
Cooper:- 6 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss. 21 points from 10 games.
Martinez:- 6 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss. 21 points from 10 games.
All the above changed the styles, all required time to perfect and develop… but all showed it would clearly work very quickly. |
So according to your workings, we should at least give RM 10 games before judging. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:04 - Aug 19 with 755 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:58 - Aug 19 by jackrmee |
So according to your workings, we should at least give RM 10 games before judging. |
Before judging what?
These players have played for us for years, we know their limitations and strengths already. It’s not a new team.
The 10 game marker was used to show that this whole “it takes months to change a system” really isn’t true and hasn’t shown itself to be true any times we have done so. It may take months to “perfect” but if it’s the right way to play, with the right players, we should be seeing the fruits of that relatively quickly.
All the above were winning league games pretty much soon after it was implemented and even in the games we didn’t win, you could see we weren’t far off.
So far it has seemed like there is a league between us and our opposition, that’s concerning and not a “bedding in” issue as history shows us. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:11 - Aug 19 with 750 views | Thornburyswan |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 09:49 - Aug 19 by onehunglow |
Really!.
o our ditant owners have bought into Russy's plan.
Now then,reflect and look at matters with a more discerning eye.
I hope I am wrong,genuinely,but this could be a cataclysmic fark up and I might be the first one to point it out. AS THING STAND,nobody can be truly sanguine about this season and all this "support" is all empty HOPE-nothing more.
I believe if we get shafted at Brizzle and fail to beat abject Preston then the "plan" will be seen to be a clusterfark which took us all but mainly by our owners and chairman.
Today,Bournemouth BOURNEMOUTH,that famous huge south coast club are signing Gary Cahill,a proven top Prem League performer and England international. Look at what we have and weep then tell me we have been well run . |
Yes they have - you might not like, want or believe it but that does not make it any less true, regardless of how discerning your eye is!
That said you are right in that it could be the wrong move (or clusterfark as you voiced it) but jury clearly still out on that . . . . . . . but if you genuinely think if we lose tomorrow night & then fail to beat Preston it’s all wrong/over then you definitely need to give your head a wobble.
I won’t deem your suggestion of Cahill a response. | | | |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:16 - Aug 19 with 742 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:04 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Before judging what?
These players have played for us for years, we know their limitations and strengths already. It’s not a new team.
The 10 game marker was used to show that this whole “it takes months to change a system” really isn’t true and hasn’t shown itself to be true any times we have done so. It may take months to “perfect” but if it’s the right way to play, with the right players, we should be seeing the fruits of that relatively quickly.
All the above were winning league games pretty much soon after it was implemented and even in the games we didn’t win, you could see we weren’t far off.
So far it has seemed like there is a league between us and our opposition, that’s concerning and not a “bedding in” issue as history shows us. |
So what you're saying is, Potter and Cooper easily changed the systems with the players they had. This is proved by their results after 10 games.
RM hasn't done it after 3 matches, so he is poor compared to them.
Doesn't make sense.
At least wait until he's had the 10 games, like the others, before you compare them together.
Are you saying that both Cooper and Potter, both had players with enough quality to be able to change playing styles 3 times, in 2 seasons, yet we don't have the players to do it now? | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:22 - Aug 19 with 734 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:16 - Aug 19 by jackrmee |
So what you're saying is, Potter and Cooper easily changed the systems with the players they had. This is proved by their results after 10 games.
RM hasn't done it after 3 matches, so he is poor compared to them.
Doesn't make sense.
At least wait until he's had the 10 games, like the others, before you compare them together.
Are you saying that both Cooper and Potter, both had players with enough quality to be able to change playing styles 3 times, in 2 seasons, yet we don't have the players to do it now? |
It doesn’t make sense because you made up what I said, funny how often that happens. You asked me what Potters record was after 10 games after I responded to another poster with regards to what he said about Russell’s start at MK Dons. It wasn’t my point to make, I was providing the information.
My point is very simple to understand. We are being told by certain people that we can’t judge a style of play for months, someone just mentioned 6 months on another thread. Crazy.
My point is that while that may be true to ‘perfect’ a style, it’s certainly not true that it takes that long to be able to tell if it is a good idea with the squad at hand.
All our managers that have drastically changed our style have seen acceptable results quickly, that’s because it has been a style that suits our players on some level. Even in defeats it was easy to see we were not far off.
Russ has come in to a group of players many stated were poor technically last year, and each league game so far has seemed we are a league below our opposition. So that’s an immediate red flag.
As for personnel, when we lost Fer, VdH, James, McBurnie, Dyer and Routledge going past their sell by date… then yes we no longer had a good technical base, which is a large part of the reason we played the way we did last season. Even without Ayew and Guehi we kept our points per game ratio up.
This season we have now lost even more players and weakened the side technically even further, so yes I am saying we do not have the squad to change the style to what is wanted to be implemented.
This is being shown by our performances (not necessarily our results). No style change in our 20+ year modern history has seen such a gap between us and our opposition. Happy to look at a worse 3 games to start a style change if you have an example? [Post edited 19 Aug 2021 11:36]
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:44 - Aug 19 with 704 views | jasper_T |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:28 - Aug 19 by jackrmee |
So you think we should sign aging, semi retired, ex premier league players for big wages, rather than teach our kids to play in different ways? |
Bournemouth just sold a player for £20m. For us Chelsea sold their player for £20m. No surprise we operate on different budget this season. | | | |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:04 - Aug 19 with 686 views | Catullus |
OHL, you were screaming for Cooper to be sacked, now he's gone and 3 weeks into the job you're chasing Martin down? It makes no sense. People wanted Cooper out but are already shouting down the new man who obviously had a big job on his hands to deliver what most of us said we wanted.
I can't include Dr P and the other Cooper acolyte (Andy Cole) in that obviously, they wasted no time in sticking the knife in, claiming things that we are trying cannot be done. As Jackrmee says, it was done before but suddenly certain people think it can't be done again.
PS Gary Cahill, he's 35, how many of us would rather be paying him than have our academy players breaking through? Brandon Cooper has been handed his chance and has a steep learning curve ahead but who would rather have Cahill? I wouldn't.
Martin needs time. We were moaning about the style, about the manager and the owners (who some people constantly moan about) put up, they got Martin and have given him some freedom to sign players, we've spent a few million but 3 weeks in people are complaining?
Seriously, sort your heads out. In another 7-8 games I relly hope some on here have to eat humble pie. Even if they don't, I would rather try this change than have another season of Cooperball. This is a long term change, not a knee jerk reaction, that is coming from the Cooper fanboys. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:09 - Aug 19 with 677 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:04 - Aug 19 by Catullus |
OHL, you were screaming for Cooper to be sacked, now he's gone and 3 weeks into the job you're chasing Martin down? It makes no sense. People wanted Cooper out but are already shouting down the new man who obviously had a big job on his hands to deliver what most of us said we wanted.
I can't include Dr P and the other Cooper acolyte (Andy Cole) in that obviously, they wasted no time in sticking the knife in, claiming things that we are trying cannot be done. As Jackrmee says, it was done before but suddenly certain people think it can't be done again.
PS Gary Cahill, he's 35, how many of us would rather be paying him than have our academy players breaking through? Brandon Cooper has been handed his chance and has a steep learning curve ahead but who would rather have Cahill? I wouldn't.
Martin needs time. We were moaning about the style, about the manager and the owners (who some people constantly moan about) put up, they got Martin and have given him some freedom to sign players, we've spent a few million but 3 weeks in people are complaining?
Seriously, sort your heads out. In another 7-8 games I relly hope some on here have to eat humble pie. Even if they don't, I would rather try this change than have another season of Cooperball. This is a long term change, not a knee jerk reaction, that is coming from the Cooper fanboys. |
I’ve not stuck the knife in to anybody. Show me a single bad word I’ve said against Russell Martin.
You are yet again making things up about me and it needs to stop.
Last year I said we do not have the squad to play the way some fans wanted. This was before I knew Russell Martin existed.
My opinion simply has not changed.
Tell me what has happened in our opening 3 league games that should make me reconsider what I have been saying for the last 18 months?
I also have not once said it cannot be done. Stop making things up.
I said last time it was done we had excellent technical players for the level we were playing at, it was a natural transition. If we want to make that transition again then we, again, need some key driving forces in the side that are technical specialists superior than the level we are at.
Let me know when they arrive.
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:21 - Aug 19 with 666 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:09 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
I’ve not stuck the knife in to anybody. Show me a single bad word I’ve said against Russell Martin.
You are yet again making things up about me and it needs to stop.
Last year I said we do not have the squad to play the way some fans wanted. This was before I knew Russell Martin existed.
My opinion simply has not changed.
Tell me what has happened in our opening 3 league games that should make me reconsider what I have been saying for the last 18 months?
I also have not once said it cannot be done. Stop making things up.
I said last time it was done we had excellent technical players for the level we were playing at, it was a natural transition. If we want to make that transition again then we, again, need some key driving forces in the side that are technical specialists superior than the level we are at.
Let me know when they arrive.
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Stuck the knife in may not be the right phrase, but you are definitely saying that RM has no clue what he's doing and if he doesn't change his tactics to something more along the lines of the tactics you feel we should be playing, then he should be sacked.
You may not have said those words, but that is what you are insinuating. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:25 - Aug 19 with 657 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 10:35 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
In terms of league games, in his first 10 games in charge he won 3, drew 3 and lost 4.
12 points from 10 games.
So from here… win 3, draw 2 and lose 2, 11 points from the next 7 and we will be in the same boat.
Looks a million miles off, doesn’t it? |
Yeah it's a shocking tweet to be fair, he quoted 8 games and they won 3 games, so miles off.
Still going to take time though, especially with the pre season we have had, patience. |  | | |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:27 - Aug 19 with 650 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:21 - Aug 19 by jackrmee |
Stuck the knife in may not be the right phrase, but you are definitely saying that RM has no clue what he's doing and if he doesn't change his tactics to something more along the lines of the tactics you feel we should be playing, then he should be sacked.
You may not have said those words, but that is what you are insinuating. |
Stop making things up, you are reading what you want to. If I’m “definitely saying” Russell Martin has no clue then show me where I have said it.
The fact you caveat it with “you may not have said those words” says it all.
I haven’t said those words because it’s not true.
I have actually said I like Russell Martin, I have said I hope he stays. I have said I have faith I him that he’s adaptable.
My point now is the same as it was 18 months ago, it has nothing to do with the competency of Russell Martin. We do not have the correct technical players to play this way, hence why we are seeing these performances.
We have changed styles many times and yet to see performances so lopsided as this. Why? Because we don’t have the players suited to it.
I believe we need to adopt a more pragmatic approach until we get those key players in.
It’s is the simplest of points one could possibly make. If you want to take that and turn it into an attack on the manager then be my guest… won’t make it true though, it will be another addition to fantasy land.
Sadly many are happy living in fantasy land currently. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:31 - Aug 19 with 647 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:27 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Stop making things up, you are reading what you want to. If I’m “definitely saying” Russell Martin has no clue then show me where I have said it.
The fact you caveat it with “you may not have said those words” says it all.
I haven’t said those words because it’s not true.
I have actually said I like Russell Martin, I have said I hope he stays. I have said I have faith I him that he’s adaptable.
My point now is the same as it was 18 months ago, it has nothing to do with the competency of Russell Martin. We do not have the correct technical players to play this way, hence why we are seeing these performances.
We have changed styles many times and yet to see performances so lopsided as this. Why? Because we don’t have the players suited to it.
I believe we need to adopt a more pragmatic approach until we get those key players in.
It’s is the simplest of points one could possibly make. If you want to take that and turn it into an attack on the manager then be my guest… won’t make it true though, it will be another addition to fantasy land.
Sadly many are happy living in fantasy land currently. |
OK, but what if Martin refuses to, or is unable to play in a way agreeable to you? (which I suggest is the case).
If we are 17th after 10 games, will you still be backing RM? | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:36 - Aug 19 with 644 views | Catullus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 11:22 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
It doesn’t make sense because you made up what I said, funny how often that happens. You asked me what Potters record was after 10 games after I responded to another poster with regards to what he said about Russell’s start at MK Dons. It wasn’t my point to make, I was providing the information.
My point is very simple to understand. We are being told by certain people that we can’t judge a style of play for months, someone just mentioned 6 months on another thread. Crazy.
My point is that while that may be true to ‘perfect’ a style, it’s certainly not true that it takes that long to be able to tell if it is a good idea with the squad at hand.
All our managers that have drastically changed our style have seen acceptable results quickly, that’s because it has been a style that suits our players on some level. Even in defeats it was easy to see we were not far off.
Russ has come in to a group of players many stated were poor technically last year, and each league game so far has seemed we are a league below our opposition. So that’s an immediate red flag.
As for personnel, when we lost Fer, VdH, James, McBurnie, Dyer and Routledge going past their sell by date… then yes we no longer had a good technical base, which is a large part of the reason we played the way we did last season. Even without Ayew and Guehi we kept our points per game ratio up.
This season we have now lost even more players and weakened the side technically even further, so yes I am saying we do not have the squad to change the style to what is wanted to be implemented.
This is being shown by our performances (not necessarily our results). No style change in our 20+ year modern history has seen such a gap between us and our opposition. Happy to look at a worse 3 games to start a style change if you have an example? [Post edited 19 Aug 2021 11:36]
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Some of that is plain nonsense. We lsot 2-1at Blackburn but could have gotten something, we drew with Shef Utd, a game I thought we would lose. Only Stoke really gave us a going over. ONE game that we looked significantly poor compared to the oppo, not three. In between we beat Reading 3-0.
You provided the info about 10 games, ok, it wasn't your point but jackrmee's question is valid, why not give Martin 10 games too?
You have also said it's the same team as last season but in this post you mention how many players we lost and claim those coming in aren't as good technically. Piroe, Downes and Laird look ok. But which is it, do we have the same team which can't cope with this change or do we have significant changes? How do you judge the new players are not as good technically after 3 games in a new side? New players usually take time to settle in. How do we go back to Cooperball without Ayew or Guehi and Roberts out for months? How do the new players learn that style? Would you only give them THREE games too?
It's not the style of play we are judging by the way, it's the performances. The style is hopefully here to stay the performances just have to improve which I believe they will. If Martin believes he needs to change players then hopefully he can find what he needs. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:42 - Aug 19 with 638 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:31 - Aug 19 by jackrmee |
OK, but what if Martin refuses to, or is unable to play in a way agreeable to you? (which I suggest is the case).
If we are 17th after 10 games, will you still be backing RM? |
Not agreeable to me, agreeable to common sense.
Anyone who puts their own ego over the health of the club shouldn’t be here.
But I don’t think that would be the case. He seems a decent chap. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:52 - Aug 19 with 629 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:36 - Aug 19 by Catullus |
Some of that is plain nonsense. We lsot 2-1at Blackburn but could have gotten something, we drew with Shef Utd, a game I thought we would lose. Only Stoke really gave us a going over. ONE game that we looked significantly poor compared to the oppo, not three. In between we beat Reading 3-0.
You provided the info about 10 games, ok, it wasn't your point but jackrmee's question is valid, why not give Martin 10 games too?
You have also said it's the same team as last season but in this post you mention how many players we lost and claim those coming in aren't as good technically. Piroe, Downes and Laird look ok. But which is it, do we have the same team which can't cope with this change or do we have significant changes? How do you judge the new players are not as good technically after 3 games in a new side? New players usually take time to settle in. How do we go back to Cooperball without Ayew or Guehi and Roberts out for months? How do the new players learn that style? Would you only give them THREE games too?
It's not the style of play we are judging by the way, it's the performances. The style is hopefully here to stay the performances just have to improve which I believe they will. If Martin believes he needs to change players then hopefully he can find what he needs. |
I love the fact you make up a load of nonsense about me and then have the gall to call a reasonable post “rubbish”. But I expect nothing less these days.
Alas, scoreline is irrelevant, performance is the KPI. We could have lost 6-1 against Stoke and Blackburn and not had too many complaints. I’m not going to count playing Reading U-18’s I’m afraid.
I provided information about 10 games because it was a direct response to someone stating that Martin started off slow with MK Dons. I was then asked to show Potters first name, which I obliged. I showed that the results from both were perfectly acceptable, it was not me stating that people should be given 10 games.
This side is essentially the same as last season yes, minus Ayew and Guehi. 10 of the 11 that started the last game were with us last season. If you think our defence has improved technically by losing Guehi and our attack has improved technically by losing Ayew then great, but the sensible will note that we have lost some key technical players there.
You seem to be suggesting “Cooperball”, whatever that is, is the only other option than tiki taka. It’s not. You can be adventurous in the final third whilst also not playing tippy tappy in your own 18 yard box, it really is not rocket science.
And I absolutely disagree with your last sentence, it’s certainly the style of play we are judging. If that is being forced upon a group of players than can’t play it, then it’s that style of play that needs to change as we will be out of the window and impossible to change the players. | |
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| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 13:00 - Aug 19 with 623 views | jackrmee |
| Is the tide turning against Martin already ? on 12:42 - Aug 19 by Dr_Parnassus |
Not agreeable to me, agreeable to common sense.
Anyone who puts their own ego over the health of the club shouldn’t be here.
But I don’t think that would be the case. He seems a decent chap. |
Well you seem to think that common sense is only what is agreeable to you. | |
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