| Electric Cars 20:03 - Jul 25 with 15544 views | onehunglow |
OK then,who's gone the whole way.
Are we ready at forecourts nationwide and at repair shops
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| Electric Cars on 20:25 - Jul 30 with 1943 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Electric Cars on 20:04 - Jul 30 by NeathJack |
There are very few electric cars on the market now that wouldn't be suitable for that. My MG ZS EV would manage it no problem at all. |
It also at the moment has one of the lowest depreciation rates as well.
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| Electric Cars on 21:47 - Jul 30 with 1908 views | swan85 |
| Electric Cars on 03:28 - Jul 30 by ItchySphincter |
I really need to bring myself up to date on this topic.....
Starting from early next year I'll be looking at covering approx. 100 miles per day- round trip, almost exclusively motorway miles. Is there an electric car that would be suitable for this kind of commute?
Is there a list of electric cars that anyone could provide, and specify the difference between which are electric and which are hybrid - and which would be more suitable. Is there an electric car that fits in the size class of a 5 series or C-class, or would that have to be hybrid? |
Yes there are quite a few cars that would be good for this. The Hyundai ionic has a range of about 180 miles. If you have the ability to charge at home (driveway) then on that sort of range you wouldn’t need to install a charger at a cost of £500.
A standard 3 pin charge will charge at 10 miles per hour of charge, so whilst asleep you would get your 100 miles easy. If you did install a charger they are typically 7 kWh, same as the ones at supermarket. These chargers at 30 miles per hour of charge. With this one you could set the car to charge between midnight and 4 pm, Octopus had a rate of about 5p kWh between midnight and 4am when grid use is low, which would cost about £1.50 to charge up at that range.
But as others have said the government will change this soon when the tax income drops. They can’t put a higher tax on all electricity - that would particularly hit lower incomes, which is unfair. How they will differentiate I am not sure. [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 20:36]
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| Electric Cars on 10:04 - Jul 31 with 1850 views | controversial_jack |
| Electric Cars on 20:23 - Jul 30 by Boundy |
Why ? |
It will drain the battery | | | |
| Electric Cars on 10:19 - Jul 31 with 1844 views | onehunglow |
| Electric Cars on 21:47 - Jul 30 by swan85 |
Yes there are quite a few cars that would be good for this. The Hyundai ionic has a range of about 180 miles. If you have the ability to charge at home (driveway) then on that sort of range you wouldn’t need to install a charger at a cost of £500.
A standard 3 pin charge will charge at 10 miles per hour of charge, so whilst asleep you would get your 100 miles easy. If you did install a charger they are typically 7 kWh, same as the ones at supermarket. These chargers at 30 miles per hour of charge. With this one you could set the car to charge between midnight and 4 pm, Octopus had a rate of about 5p kWh between midnight and 4am when grid use is low, which would cost about £1.50 to charge up at that range.
But as others have said the government will change this soon when the tax income drops. They can’t put a higher tax on all electricity - that would particularly hit lower incomes, which is unfair. How they will differentiate I am not sure. [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 20:36]
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| Electric Cars on 19:50 - Jul 31 with 1787 views | Boundy |
Thank you for that well thought out and reasoned response , if I may counter with so does driving the car along with putting the lights on etc ,in fact anything which draws a current from the battery . | |
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| Electric Cars on 08:28 - Aug 1 with 1721 views | ItchySphincter |
| Electric Cars on 21:47 - Jul 30 by swan85 |
Yes there are quite a few cars that would be good for this. The Hyundai ionic has a range of about 180 miles. If you have the ability to charge at home (driveway) then on that sort of range you wouldn’t need to install a charger at a cost of £500.
A standard 3 pin charge will charge at 10 miles per hour of charge, so whilst asleep you would get your 100 miles easy. If you did install a charger they are typically 7 kWh, same as the ones at supermarket. These chargers at 30 miles per hour of charge. With this one you could set the car to charge between midnight and 4 pm, Octopus had a rate of about 5p kWh between midnight and 4am when grid use is low, which would cost about £1.50 to charge up at that range.
But as others have said the government will change this soon when the tax income drops. They can’t put a higher tax on all electricity - that would particularly hit lower incomes, which is unfair. How they will differentiate I am not sure. [Post edited 31 Jul 2021 20:36]
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| Electric Cars on 16:47 - Aug 1 with 1661 views | controversial_jack |
| Electric Cars on 19:50 - Jul 31 by Boundy |
Thank you for that well thought out and reasoned response , if I may counter with so does driving the car along with putting the lights on etc ,in fact anything which draws a current from the battery . |
Then why didn't you understand first time. Yes, batteries will be less efficient then too | | | |
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| Electric Cars on 17:59 - Aug 1 with 1648 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 19:50 - Jul 31 by Boundy |
Thank you for that well thought out and reasoned response , if I may counter with so does driving the car along with putting the lights on etc ,in fact anything which draws a current from the battery . |
Using electrical devices in a petrol engine car means the engine has to worker harder to turn the alternator to produce more electrical power and keep the battery topped up. You use more petrol. | |
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| Electric Cars on 18:51 - Aug 1 with 1636 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 17:59 - Aug 1 by felixstowe_jack |
Using electrical devices in a petrol engine car means the engine has to worker harder to turn the alternator to produce more electrical power and keep the battery topped up. You use more petrol. |
What percentage range drop do you get in winter with heater, lights ect on? |  | | |
| Electric Cars on 19:53 - Aug 1 with 1618 views | Boundy |
| Electric Cars on 16:47 - Aug 1 by controversial_jack |
Then why didn't you understand first time. Yes, batteries will be less efficient then too |
I understand perfectly well I just wanted you to reply with reasoned response which you failed to deliver , battery efficiency is based on how it manages to control what draws current and its capability to store and the times it can be recharged , technology is keeping pace with demand and most manufacturers provide a five to eight-year warranty on their battery. | |
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| Electric Cars on 22:32 - Aug 1 with 1592 views | controversial_jack |
| Electric Cars on 19:53 - Aug 1 by Boundy |
I understand perfectly well I just wanted you to reply with reasoned response which you failed to deliver , battery efficiency is based on how it manages to control what draws current and its capability to store and the times it can be recharged , technology is keeping pace with demand and most manufacturers provide a five to eight-year warranty on their battery. |
It was a reasonable response. If you use A/C or heater, and headlights, it will drain the battery quickly. This will effect the range of the car and will then require more frequent charging. It's not rocket science and I didn't infer that it was, just a blanket statement on a forum, what else do you expect? | | | |
| Electric Cars on 21:13 - Aug 2 with 1516 views | SingUpNorthBank84 |
| Electric Cars on 18:51 - Aug 1 by Whiterockin |
What percentage range drop do you get in winter with heater, lights ect on? |
They do have standard 24v batteries as well which take care of the all the electrics. So please don't worry about turning the lights on, using the radio or tooting above.
Granted the AC and heating does pinch a few miles of range but certainly nothing to worry about.
My driving style has certainly changed but that can't be a bad thing. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 21:43 - Aug 2 with 1503 views | Whiterockin |
Thank you for the reply. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 22:33 - Aug 2 with 1486 views | controversial_jack |
| Electric Cars on 21:13 - Aug 2 by SingUpNorthBank84 |
They do have standard 24v batteries as well which take care of the all the electrics. So please don't worry about turning the lights on, using the radio or tooting above.
Granted the AC and heating does pinch a few miles of range but certainly nothing to worry about.
My driving style has certainly changed but that can't be a bad thing. |
I'm no expert, but A/C can't run off 24v, nor would an electric heater, it would have to be much higher. A/C is basically a fridge. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 08:00 - Aug 3 with 1437 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 22:33 - Aug 2 by controversial_jack |
I'm no expert, but A/C can't run off 24v, nor would an electric heater, it would have to be much higher. A/C is basically a fridge. |
EV have a standard 12v as they use the same electrical component as petrol engine cars. Lights, radio, windscreen wipers sat navs etc. Even in a petrol engine car the only source of electrical power is the alternator which is driven by the engine so even the A/C is a 12 volt system. | |
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| Electric Cars on 11:50 - Aug 3 with 1401 views | controversial_jack |
| Electric Cars on 08:00 - Aug 3 by felixstowe_jack |
EV have a standard 12v as they use the same electrical component as petrol engine cars. Lights, radio, windscreen wipers sat navs etc. Even in a petrol engine car the only source of electrical power is the alternator which is driven by the engine so even the A/C is a 12 volt system. |
Alternators run at a higher voltage than 12v. EV vehicles won't have alternators.You cannot run A/C or heaters off low voltage,but i'm not an electrician | | | |
| Electric Cars on 10:02 - Aug 4 with 1320 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 11:50 - Aug 3 by controversial_jack |
Alternators run at a higher voltage than 12v. EV vehicles won't have alternators.You cannot run A/C or heaters off low voltage,but i'm not an electrician |
Most car alternators produce a voltage of 13.8 to 14.2 at idle with all electrical lights and accessories of. The voltage is slightly higher than the battery so it can charge the battery and cope with the load when electrical accessories are used.
The A/C compressor in a petrol car is driven by a pully belt from the engine. | |
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| Electric Cars on 13:02 - Aug 4 with 1300 views | controversial_jack |
| Electric Cars on 10:02 - Aug 4 by felixstowe_jack |
Most car alternators produce a voltage of 13.8 to 14.2 at idle with all electrical lights and accessories of. The voltage is slightly higher than the battery so it can charge the battery and cope with the load when electrical accessories are used.
The A/C compressor in a petrol car is driven by a pully belt from the engine. |
A/C won't have that in a EV , it will have to run off the battery or so i have read | | | |
| Electric Cars on 16:41 - Aug 4 with 1278 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 13:02 - Aug 4 by controversial_jack |
A/C won't have that in a EV , it will have to run off the battery or so i have read |
Yes of course A/C and heating in EV run via a heat pump. For heating it sucks in air from the outside compress it and uses the heat produced to heat car a bit like a fridge in reverse. | |
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| Electric Cars on 22:17 - Aug 4 with 1229 views | controversial_jack |
| Electric Cars on 16:41 - Aug 4 by felixstowe_jack |
Yes of course A/C and heating in EV run via a heat pump. For heating it sucks in air from the outside compress it and uses the heat produced to heat car a bit like a fridge in reverse. |
No they don't. Heating will have an electric heater and A/C won't run off a heat pump it will run off a compressor at a high voltage just like a fridge. A fridge doesn't suck in air from outside, it's a closed circuit, but it will cool the air coming in. All the power will have to come from the batteries somehow. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 22:39 - Aug 4 with 1227 views | swan85 |
My experience of my car so far, the aircon is not a huge drain on range. Going fast does have more of an effect, plus I have noticed in wet weather, with wipers and lights and demister on this has more of an effect as well. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 03:03 - Aug 5 with 1201 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 22:17 - Aug 4 by controversial_jack |
No they don't. Heating will have an electric heater and A/C won't run off a heat pump it will run off a compressor at a high voltage just like a fridge. A fridge doesn't suck in air from outside, it's a closed circuit, but it will cool the air coming in. All the power will have to come from the batteries somehow. |
Of course just like a petrol vehicle all a/c comes from petrol if you choose a/c in an ev it comes from battery or you could just choose to use fan to blow air instead .
How often does anyone actually need to use A/c in the British climate. | |
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| Electric Cars on 08:22 - Aug 5 with 1169 views | Whiterockin |
| Electric Cars on 03:03 - Aug 5 by felixstowe_jack |
Of course just like a petrol vehicle all a/c comes from petrol if you choose a/c in an ev it comes from battery or you could just choose to use fan to blow air instead .
How often does anyone actually need to use A/c in the British climate. |
The climate control on my car has the ac cutting in quite often, particularly for front screen demist. | | | |
| Electric Cars on 08:42 - Aug 5 with 1160 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Electric Cars on 08:22 - Aug 5 by Whiterockin |
The climate control on my car has the ac cutting in quite often, particularly for front screen demist. |
I just use my fan to clear front windscreen. | |
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