| Booing teachers 10:02 - May 14 with 18234 views | Occasional_Showers |
Whilst our wonderful NHS have shown what a credit they are to themselves and the nation, teachers are yet again giving a great example to children of how not to behave in a crisis. Excuse after excuse not to go work, just like when they shut schools at the merest hint of snow.
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| Booing teachers on 16:40 - May 14 with 1561 views | cocklebreath |
| Booing teachers on 16:32 - May 14 by Boris_ |
Actually, whilst retention of teachers is slightly down in the last couple of years ( less than 1% so nothing to write home about ) , the number of teachers in the UK is actually up. Overall numbers are very slightly down due to the rise in new pupils being more than the rise in teachers.
The 'shortage' is caused by people breeding like rabbits and immigration meaning an un-naturally high rise in the child population in the UK.
I don't know why teachers are so obsessed about making excuses. If they just kept quiet and cracked on with their jobs, maybe people wouldn't feel the need to have a pop at them? |
Did you find your teacher in bed with your mum? |  |
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| Booing teachers on 16:50 - May 14 with 1551 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Booing teachers on 16:32 - May 14 by Boris_ |
Actually, whilst retention of teachers is slightly down in the last couple of years ( less than 1% so nothing to write home about ) , the number of teachers in the UK is actually up. Overall numbers are very slightly down due to the rise in new pupils being more than the rise in teachers.
The 'shortage' is caused by people breeding like rabbits and immigration meaning an un-naturally high rise in the child population in the UK.
I don't know why teachers are so obsessed about making excuses. If they just kept quiet and cracked on with their jobs, maybe people wouldn't feel the need to have a pop at them? |
Without doing the job yourself, I don't think you can be in a position to comment. And you keep saying "the teachers". I will say again, what a militant union says, doesn't necessarily represent the majority of teachers. The press reporting the comments of one union leader, does not represent all teachers.
I am not in any way arguing against the government or anything like that, I voted Tory as did the teachers in my family. But your slating of teachers saying its a cushy job is wrong. You are insulting family members of mine, who have been bitten on the arm by an autistic child, scratched, hit, she has to restrain quite big bulshy lads, threatened by parents (this is a young women I am talking about), sworn at to the point of being in tears most weeks.
She works evenings, weekends and all over the holidays under a great amount of pressure in inner city Birmingham. She has to teach in these circumstances, with 60 per cent children in the class who can't speak a word of English, 50 per cent special needs and autistic. And inspector comes in and asks why so few in the class make so little progress. She tells them that many can't even understand English. The inspector says, no excuse. This is just one of the teachers I know.
I know, that it is certainly not cushy. You are wrong. And she has a maths degree. She could earn triple in another career with a maths degree. I'm sorry but I have seen the bite marks, the tears, the rediculous emails from inspectors asking why little Jo from Syria hasn't made enough progress. And in response to this type of email, feeling like she is letting down her students, she works even harder into the early hours of the morning. You are just wrong that it's cushy. [Post edited 14 May 2020 16:53]
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| Booing teachers on 16:56 - May 14 with 1541 views | Boris_ |
You asked me why teacher numbers were down if it's cushy, I did a quick bit of research and came back with the facts that Primary School teacher numbers are actually up, yet you have completely ignored that?
I don't doubt some teachers work very hard and it's teachers like the ones you describe in your family who I am sure will be breaking the picket line should the unions demand that schools don't re-open? |  |
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| Booing teachers on 17:14 - May 14 with 1514 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Booing teachers on 16:56 - May 14 by Boris_ |
You asked me why teacher numbers were down if it's cushy, I did a quick bit of research and came back with the facts that Primary School teacher numbers are actually up, yet you have completely ignored that?
I don't doubt some teachers work very hard and it's teachers like the ones you describe in your family who I am sure will be breaking the picket line should the unions demand that schools don't re-open? |
You are right that shortages seem to be more severe in secondary schools, especially in maths, English and science. Probably to do with people not wanting to teach threatening teenagers and being able to earn a lot more than a teacher does with a maths degree, English degree or Chemistry etc.
But there are still not enough primary teachers for the number of children. It is also true that that 50 per cent of primary teachers leave the profession within 5 years. But I am not really here to argue stats. I am here to say that family members are teachers and I know their job is not cushy. Stats aside, I have seen them work very very hard.
My kids teachers were also on the whole excellent. So the point of my post is to say stop bashing them, you are wrong. The majority are excellent. [Post edited 14 May 2020 17:15]
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| Booing teachers on 17:54 - May 14 with 1498 views | Heisenberg |
| Booing teachers on 15:41 - May 14 by JaySaint |
how do nurses maintain a 2m rule, how to firemen, policemen, armed forces personnel? |
If you had paid more attention during classes you might have learned the difference between 07.15 and 19.15. Thicko. |  |
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| Booing teachers on 18:16 - May 14 with 1474 views | JaySaint |
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| Booing teachers on 21:49 - May 14 with 1410 views | dirk_doone |
I'm just surprised at the real hatred of teachers expressed on here by OS, Boris & JaySaint. I guess the three of you just had bad school experiences. Most people are lucky enough to be inspired by at least one teacher to go on and achieve great things in life. I know I was and I will always be grateful to that one particular teacher who really inspired me as well as the rest who tried.
They are poorly-paid, have low status in UK society and often look scruffy and a bit eccentric but I've never seen them as hate figures. I live and learn. |  |
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| Booing teachers on 22:51 - May 14 with 1366 views | Gennaro_Contaldo |
| Booing teachers on 21:49 - May 14 by dirk_doone |
I'm just surprised at the real hatred of teachers expressed on here by OS, Boris & JaySaint. I guess the three of you just had bad school experiences. Most people are lucky enough to be inspired by at least one teacher to go on and achieve great things in life. I know I was and I will always be grateful to that one particular teacher who really inspired me as well as the rest who tried.
They are poorly-paid, have low status in UK society and often look scruffy and a bit eccentric but I've never seen them as hate figures. I live and learn. |
It is bizarre. I'd never do their job, especially on the poor pay. My wife is a primary school teacher - there is absolutely no way I'd do what she does, all that work, no freedom and w*nky parents.
I moan about my job, I moan about the commuting, but I can choose to do 10-3 in the office if I want, or go for 4 hour lunches, or have a meeting in a pub, or turn up at 6 and leave at 12 - whatever - it's the freedom of not having to do 0730 to 1800 every day (and then some at home) and the pay isn't even comparable. No thanks, I couldn't be a teacher. [Post edited 14 May 2020 22:52]
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| Booing teachers on 23:28 - May 14 with 1336 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Booing teachers on 22:51 - May 14 by Gennaro_Contaldo |
It is bizarre. I'd never do their job, especially on the poor pay. My wife is a primary school teacher - there is absolutely no way I'd do what she does, all that work, no freedom and w*nky parents.
I moan about my job, I moan about the commuting, but I can choose to do 10-3 in the office if I want, or go for 4 hour lunches, or have a meeting in a pub, or turn up at 6 and leave at 12 - whatever - it's the freedom of not having to do 0730 to 1800 every day (and then some at home) and the pay isn't even comparable. No thanks, I couldn't be a teacher. [Post edited 14 May 2020 22:52]
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And Im sure you can confirm that your wife's job as a primary teacher is definitely not cushy?
It is a complete myth. My family members are sometimes working 15 hours a day during exam periods or inspections or whatever. This is on top of some nasty parents and disturbed lunchtimes when students fight on the playground etc. If only people knew! [Post edited 14 May 2020 23:32]
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| Booing teachers on 23:57 - May 14 with 1321 views | Gennaro_Contaldo |
| Booing teachers on 23:28 - May 14 by Saintsforeverj |
And Im sure you can confirm that your wife's job as a primary teacher is definitely not cushy?
It is a complete myth. My family members are sometimes working 15 hours a day during exam periods or inspections or whatever. This is on top of some nasty parents and disturbed lunchtimes when students fight on the playground etc. If only people knew! [Post edited 14 May 2020 23:32]
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Absolutely not 'cushy'. My ex-wife from over 14 years ago was also a primary school teacher (FFS, I seem to attract them), so I've known a LOT of teachers. None of them have an easy ride, every one of them is working more than they should be doing.
Then even in a primary school you have the nutter kids who throw furniture, punch, kick, spit, lick, and are generally disgusting. You have poo, pee and vomit to deal with (at most ages) and reception and year 1 teachers are sometimes dealing with nappies as parents are such lazy c**ts.
Then you have the helicopter parents demanding constant meetings because their child should be taking their a-levels at the age of 6, the weird demands of these creatures to deal with. Creating lesson plans at 11pm because your day is filled with teaching, marking and having to have meetings to learn about the constantly changing government rules. The sh*t equipment meaning you need to get home to print properly or borrow your husband's MacBook because it actually works. No breaks as I said earlier and don't even think about having a coffee in class now - they are not allowed in case one of the poor darlings knocks it and gets scolded. Then you need to specialise in a subject and be accountable for that subject and if your school under performs in that subject, OFSTED will rip you to shreds and everyone will know that's you ... trying to balance your job with that.
It's the most thankless job, apart from being a bin man that I've every come across. The most you can earn before you become a Deputy or Head is circa £38k, after many years and many hoops.. Ridiculous. Most NQTs last a couple of years before moving on and those that last longer tend to be either 1) Career changers or 2) Those like my wife who have a family and do it part time which means you get less of the overhead.
Horribly thankless, underpaid job, far from 'cushy'. [Post edited 15 May 2020 0:00]
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| Booing teachers on 00:05 - May 15 with 1309 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Booing teachers on 23:57 - May 14 by Gennaro_Contaldo |
Absolutely not 'cushy'. My ex-wife from over 14 years ago was also a primary school teacher (FFS, I seem to attract them), so I've known a LOT of teachers. None of them have an easy ride, every one of them is working more than they should be doing.
Then even in a primary school you have the nutter kids who throw furniture, punch, kick, spit, lick, and are generally disgusting. You have poo, pee and vomit to deal with (at most ages) and reception and year 1 teachers are sometimes dealing with nappies as parents are such lazy c**ts.
Then you have the helicopter parents demanding constant meetings because their child should be taking their a-levels at the age of 6, the weird demands of these creatures to deal with. Creating lesson plans at 11pm because your day is filled with teaching, marking and having to have meetings to learn about the constantly changing government rules. The sh*t equipment meaning you need to get home to print properly or borrow your husband's MacBook because it actually works. No breaks as I said earlier and don't even think about having a coffee in class now - they are not allowed in case one of the poor darlings knocks it and gets scolded. Then you need to specialise in a subject and be accountable for that subject and if your school under performs in that subject, OFSTED will rip you to shreds and everyone will know that's you ... trying to balance your job with that.
It's the most thankless job, apart from being a bin man that I've every come across. The most you can earn before you become a Deputy or Head is circa £38k, after many years and many hoops.. Ridiculous. Most NQTs last a couple of years before moving on and those that last longer tend to be either 1) Career changers or 2) Those like my wife who have a family and do it part time which means you get less of the overhead.
Horribly thankless, underpaid job, far from 'cushy'. [Post edited 15 May 2020 0:00]
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Yep, what you say it absolutely true. The teachers in my family are generally really stressed and tell me some real horror stories - kids squaring up to them, spitting at them, hitting them, with little support from senior staff as they are afraid of upsetting the little darlings, parents and being reported etc. I have been round their house and seen them working at 10 o clock at night after being at work since 7:30 am! Weekends too. It looks an incredibly difficult job to me! [Post edited 15 May 2020 0:07]
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| Booing teachers on 06:40 - May 15 with 1259 views | JaySaint |
Teachers don't have a cushy job.
However, they should still do their duty and get back to work | |
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| Booing teachers on 07:15 - May 15 with 1249 views | solent_toffee |
| Booing teachers on 16:21 - May 14 by Occasional_Showers |
Work just rang me and asked if I could go in on Monday. I obviously said yes. It was nice while it lasted. |
Jesus Christ, what a hero you are.
It’s absolutely comparable the role of a lorry driver, driving by himself and primary school teachers working with hundreds of kids in a confined space.
You should contact your local school, I’m sure they will be inspired. | | | |
| Booing teachers on 07:26 - May 15 with 1245 views | Vagina_Dentata |
| Booing teachers on 06:40 - May 15 by JaySaint |
Teachers don't have a cushy job.
However, they should still do their duty and get back to work |
The majority of teachers have been in their school building throughout. Those that haven’t are working from home - doing the same job as before, like many others in other sectors working from home during this.
There is no going “back to work.” This has been brought up multiple times.
Again, this is not a “look at us, look at how amazing we are,” it is proving that many assertions on this site are incorrect.
Don’t think because the unions are saying something, that head teachers and their staff are not actively planning for June 1st. We are. [Post edited 15 May 2020 7:28]
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| Booing teachers on 07:52 - May 15 with 1228 views | RednWight |
Just because that person has certain views doesn’t mean all teachers do
The mail as usual will print anything to deflect attention away from that bumbling idiot Boris and Priti Vacant and their cock ups |  |
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| Booing teachers on 08:08 - May 15 with 1218 views | Bison |
| Booing teachers on 07:26 - May 15 by Vagina_Dentata |
The majority of teachers have been in their school building throughout. Those that haven’t are working from home - doing the same job as before, like many others in other sectors working from home during this.
There is no going “back to work.” This has been brought up multiple times.
Again, this is not a “look at us, look at how amazing we are,” it is proving that many assertions on this site are incorrect.
Don’t think because the unions are saying something, that head teachers and their staff are not actively planning for June 1st. We are. [Post edited 15 May 2020 7:28]
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My missus is in the office at school and has to administer first aid to the kids and even with small number of kids in has had to go in during all this
The Guardian posted this saying the union will take the government to court unless they are given the same protection as nurses and care workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/may/14/teachers-can-legally-refuse-to
The guardian columnist on the BBC last night was even unsure what the teachers ( or unions ) are asking for. I have a lot of respect for teachers but they are starting to lose support over this. |  |
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| Booing teachers on 08:37 - May 15 with 1187 views | Boris_ |
| Booing teachers on 08:08 - May 15 by Bison |
My missus is in the office at school and has to administer first aid to the kids and even with small number of kids in has had to go in during all this
The Guardian posted this saying the union will take the government to court unless they are given the same protection as nurses and care workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/may/14/teachers-can-legally-refuse-to
The guardian columnist on the BBC last night was even unsure what the teachers ( or unions ) are asking for. I have a lot of respect for teachers but they are starting to lose support over this. |
We are at war. People need to take risks during war. Teachers seem to be the only ones who aren't prepared to take a risk for the good of the nation.
Pneumonia is a contagious infection and hospitalised 56,000 children in the last recorded year and killed around 50. Less than 500 kids have gone to hospital with Covid-19 and 3 ( THREE ) have passed away with no underlying medical conditions.
Regardless of whether their job is 'cushy' or not, Teachers should be prepared to take risks for the good of the country, in exactly the same way that social care, shop workers, posties etc etc are. | |
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| Booing teachers on 09:11 - May 15 with 1164 views | Butty101 |
| Booing teachers on 08:37 - May 15 by Boris_ |
We are at war. People need to take risks during war. Teachers seem to be the only ones who aren't prepared to take a risk for the good of the nation.
Pneumonia is a contagious infection and hospitalised 56,000 children in the last recorded year and killed around 50. Less than 500 kids have gone to hospital with Covid-19 and 3 ( THREE ) have passed away with no underlying medical conditions.
Regardless of whether their job is 'cushy' or not, Teachers should be prepared to take risks for the good of the country, in exactly the same way that social care, shop workers, posties etc etc are. |
Teachers lost my support when they started complaining about pensions a couple years ago.
If its good enough for the people to work in supermarkets, then its fine for schools to open. |  |
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| Booing teachers on 10:01 - May 15 with 1137 views | Saintsforeverj |
| Booing teachers on 09:11 - May 15 by Butty101 |
Teachers lost my support when they started complaining about pensions a couple years ago.
If its good enough for the people to work in supermarkets, then its fine for schools to open. |
Adults in super markets socially distance, it can be enforced and people can spread out across a wide space. Supermarket workers wear a mask and have screens at the till etc. They do a great job and people buying food is absolutely essential. Being in class, is not absolutely essential.
5 year olds won't socially distance. If this is OK, that children go back and not socially distance, and it's therefore OK to have 30 (or even 15) young people in a small space, then fine, no - problem. If you think a teacher can speak and teach the class with a mask around their mouth then fine. If you think that teachers can teach children without getting close enough to them to see their work or close enough to them to help them when they fall over, or cry like young children do etc, then fine.
If you think it will work, for teachers to provide for the few students who come into school and provide for those who choose not to, then fine. But you should think of all the issues and suggest solutions to not having a enough classrooms to socially distance, young children won't socially distance, and some will come in some won't. [Post edited 15 May 2020 10:05]
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| Booing teachers on 10:28 - May 15 with 1108 views | hedgeend61 |
| Booing teachers on 16:21 - May 14 by Occasional_Showers |
Work just rang me and asked if I could go in on Monday. I obviously said yes. It was nice while it lasted. |
Seven weeks stuck in your bedroom posting dribble nobody's interested in, dawn, noon,dusk and even 4 in the morning 
Mum will be pleased, save on the tissues, hopefully we'll get a dribble respite.
Get out there, get yourself a life, stop fcuking dribbling all your life, dribbling bore. |  | | |
| Booing teachers on 11:01 - May 15 with 1086 views | Occasional_Showers |
| Booing teachers on 10:28 - May 15 by hedgeend61 |
Seven weeks stuck in your bedroom posting dribble nobody's interested in, dawn, noon,dusk and even 4 in the morning
Mum will be pleased, save on the tissues, hopefully we'll get a dribble respite.
Get out there, get yourself a life, stop fcuking dribbling all your life, dribbling bore. |
Says the bloke who think he’s some kind of betting guru. Trying to make out you make more than you lose.  | |
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| Booing teachers on 20:24 - May 15 with 995 views | Occasional_Showers |
18% of children have already had it in the UK...
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-children-in-england-more-likely-to-be
It actually makes total sense to open up schools because of those it’s affected only about a handful with pre existing conditions have died.
It’s got to be better to build up herd immunity among children and young adult parents, than suppressing the virus so it can roar back in the winter and kill the elderly off. | |
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| Booing teachers on 20:31 - May 15 with 987 views | Boris_ |
| Booing teachers on 20:24 - May 15 by Occasional_Showers |
18% of children have already had it in the UK...
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-children-in-england-more-likely-to-be
It actually makes total sense to open up schools because of those it’s affected only about a handful with pre existing conditions have died.
It’s got to be better to build up herd immunity among children and young adult parents, than suppressing the virus so it can roar back in the winter and kill the elderly off. |
Speaking with pals who all have primary school children. All of them think schools should be open without social distancing as the risk is so minuscule and the far greater risk is mental and social health related illnesses caused by not being at school.
Why is the nation so irrationally worried about the affect Covid-19 has on children? | |
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| Booing teachers on 20:39 - May 15 with 984 views | Occasional_Showers |
| Booing teachers on 20:31 - May 15 by Boris_ |
Speaking with pals who all have primary school children. All of them think schools should be open without social distancing as the risk is so minuscule and the far greater risk is mental and social health related illnesses caused by not being at school.
Why is the nation so irrationally worried about the affect Covid-19 has on children? |
There needs to be a sensible education of those who are against this plan.
If we can get herd immunity upto 40% before November (as opposed to 20% with a hard lockdown) it would IMO save lives over the next 12 months. | |
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