| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players 20:34 - Jan 14 with 11712 views | marchamjack |
Not being negative, just putting it out there for a discussion.
I think we all know why the club’s moving in this direction, but still, not sure where this leaves us heading into next season, let alone longer term.
Thoughts? |  |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 17:43 - Jan 15 with 1661 views | jasper_T |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 17:30 - Jan 15 by jackrmee |
Ok, yeah true, we would have a chance of signing them.
But are you really saying that Guehi is no better than what we have? You don't think that these signing are going to improve our first team and give us a better chance of reaching the playoffs than without them? |
I'm not saying he's no better. I've only seen him play once. I have my doubts, as everyone should when a 19 year old with barely an appearance to his name is brought in. We've seen plenty of examples of players drafted in over the last 18 months who have a big reputation but prove no better than what we already had (Asoro, CCV). He might be world class and settle instantly but Chelsea fans consider him a lesser talent compared to Tomori, who had two EFL loans before his outstanding season at Derby.
Brewster might come good, or he might produce no more than Surridge did while Borja catches splinters. He missed over a year through injury. Gallagher is certainly a good player but the problem in our midfield this season has been the shape and structure more than the personnel imo, given how the Celina/Byers/Grimes combination performed last season. We'll still be reliant on the manager getting things right to improve enough to make the playoffs (another 25 points in the remaining 19 games like in our last 19 won't be enough).
Guehi suggests to me that defensive outgoings must be imminent, which would hurt our chances more than help them. Hopefully it's just Wilmot going back and Cooper loaned out. |  | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 19:01 - Jan 15 with 1610 views | Badlands |
Reported salaries for
Ayew - £4.160,000 pa
Borja - £2,340.000 pa
Basic. |  |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 08:54 - Jan 16 with 1513 views | jackrmee |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 17:43 - Jan 15 by jasper_T |
I'm not saying he's no better. I've only seen him play once. I have my doubts, as everyone should when a 19 year old with barely an appearance to his name is brought in. We've seen plenty of examples of players drafted in over the last 18 months who have a big reputation but prove no better than what we already had (Asoro, CCV). He might be world class and settle instantly but Chelsea fans consider him a lesser talent compared to Tomori, who had two EFL loans before his outstanding season at Derby.
Brewster might come good, or he might produce no more than Surridge did while Borja catches splinters. He missed over a year through injury. Gallagher is certainly a good player but the problem in our midfield this season has been the shape and structure more than the personnel imo, given how the Celina/Byers/Grimes combination performed last season. We'll still be reliant on the manager getting things right to improve enough to make the playoffs (another 25 points in the remaining 19 games like in our last 19 won't be enough).
Guehi suggests to me that defensive outgoings must be imminent, which would hurt our chances more than help them. Hopefully it's just Wilmot going back and Cooper loaned out. |
People are bound to have doubts, but maybe he will be class, we don't know until we try.
You would prefer we signed no-one and use our u23s for promotion push? |  |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 12:21 - Jan 16 with 1445 views | jasper_T |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 08:54 - Jan 16 by jackrmee |
People are bound to have doubts, but maybe he will be class, we don't know until we try.
You would prefer we signed no-one and use our u23s for promotion push? |
At centre half yes, absolutely. Because then when we fail we'll have developed two more academy products who themselves maybe will be class, we don't know until we try.
We're a long way from playing well enough for a promotion push but that's down to the manager. The players showed they can do it last season. | | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 12:30 - Jan 16 with 1434 views | Swanjaxs |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 12:21 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
At centre half yes, absolutely. Because then when we fail we'll have developed two more academy products who themselves maybe will be class, we don't know until we try.
We're a long way from playing well enough for a promotion push but that's down to the manager. The players showed they can do it last season. |
I disagree.
We are right in the mix for a playoff spot, and with the addition of these loan signings I can honestly see us claiming one.
But let's not kid ourselves on, if we do get in the playoffs it will be purely be down to the fact the standard of the Championship is absolutely atrocious... |  |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 13:26 - Jan 16 with 1380 views | jack247 |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 12:21 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
At centre half yes, absolutely. Because then when we fail we'll have developed two more academy products who themselves maybe will be class, we don't know until we try.
We're a long way from playing well enough for a promotion push but that's down to the manager. The players showed they can do it last season. |
That’s fine if we’re giving up with 19 games to go. As it stands we’ve flattered to deceive since September and we’re outside the playoffs on goal difference. We give ourselves the best possible chance, if that means promoting academy players, great. If we can get better players on loan, we do that. It’s not as if we’ve got no chance of overtaking Sheffield Wednesday. | | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 13:40 - Jan 16 with 1367 views | KGriz16 |
When are we going to turn on the owners again? |  | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 13:45 - Jan 16 with 1360 views | jasper_T |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 13:26 - Jan 16 by jack247 |
That’s fine if we’re giving up with 19 games to go. As it stands we’ve flattered to deceive since September and we’re outside the playoffs on goal difference. We give ourselves the best possible chance, if that means promoting academy players, great. If we can get better players on loan, we do that. It’s not as if we’ve got no chance of overtaking Sheffield Wednesday. |
If we want to have a top level academy we have to balance getting (potentially) better players with developing our own, for the longer term benefit of the football club.
Relying on our own products isn't equivalent to "giving up", surely the last 18 months has proved that mentality among our fans to be nonsense? Equally loaning in an unproven Guehi isn't exactly "the best possible chance" either. We're potentially sidelining a 19 year old with 2 senior games to his name for a 19 year old with two senior games to his name. | | | |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 13:57 - Jan 16 with 1347 views | jack247 |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 13:45 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
If we want to have a top level academy we have to balance getting (potentially) better players with developing our own, for the longer term benefit of the football club.
Relying on our own products isn't equivalent to "giving up", surely the last 18 months has proved that mentality among our fans to be nonsense? Equally loaning in an unproven Guehi isn't exactly "the best possible chance" either. We're potentially sidelining a 19 year old with 2 senior games to his name for a 19 year old with two senior games to his name. |
‘Because when we fail we’ll have developed more academy products’ is giving up.
Are all 19 year olds with 2 senior games to their name equal footballers then? The best possible chance is obviously within our financial constraints. If Cooper/Scott/Britton/etc didn’t think Guéhi improved our chances, I’m sure we wouldn’t have signed him.
Hopefully these signings give the likes of Cullen, Evans and Cooper the chance to go play regularly somewhere for the rest of the season. | | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 14:03 - Jan 16 with 1338 views | jasper_T |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 13:57 - Jan 16 by jack247 |
‘Because when we fail we’ll have developed more academy products’ is giving up.
Are all 19 year olds with 2 senior games to their name equal footballers then? The best possible chance is obviously within our financial constraints. If Cooper/Scott/Britton/etc didn’t think Guéhi improved our chances, I’m sure we wouldn’t have signed him.
Hopefully these signings give the likes of Cullen, Evans and Cooper the chance to go play regularly somewhere for the rest of the season. |
We're not getting promoted with this manager. | | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 14:08 - Jan 16 with 1336 views | Swanjaxs |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 14:03 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
We're not getting promoted with this manager. |
There was plenty of interest in Brewster and Gallagher so perhaps Klopp and Lampard think otherwise. | |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 14:15 - Jan 16 with 1332 views | jack247 |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 14:03 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
We're not getting promoted with this manager. |
So we are giving up then? If that’s the case, yeah the three loans were a waste of money and we may as well not play anyone who won’t be here next season. | | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 14:21 - Jan 16 with 1319 views | jasper_T |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 14:15 - Jan 16 by jack247 |
So we are giving up then? If that’s the case, yeah the three loans were a waste of money and we may as well not play anyone who won’t be here next season. |
We should definitely be taking a view towards next season given the thread title. It would be idiotic not to plan ahead.
Unfortunately from the press conference it sounds like that plan is to build a relationship with Chelsea's academy, so ours is almost certainly being wound down imminently. | | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 14:34 - Jan 16 with 1313 views | jack247 |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 14:21 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
We should definitely be taking a view towards next season given the thread title. It would be idiotic not to plan ahead.
Unfortunately from the press conference it sounds like that plan is to build a relationship with Chelsea's academy, so ours is almost certainly being wound down imminently. |
I don’t think any of us expected it to last that long from the minute Birch put it on the table.
It’s also idiotic to wave the white flag in January while we are 7th. Steve Cooper or not. It’s not as if we’ll have a better chance next season. | | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 15:22 - Jan 16 with 1289 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 14:03 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
We're not getting promoted with this manager. |
You spent last season constantly slagging Potter off aswell. I don't really think it matters whose in charge.
Cooper has seen his namesake Brandon play, he's also managed Guehi with the national team, at the moment in his opinion the latter is more suited to a promotion push than the former, there's nothing wrong with that. |  | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 15:34 - Jan 16 with 1276 views | jasper_T |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 15:22 - Jan 16 by 34dfgdf54 |
You spent last season constantly slagging Potter off aswell. I don't really think it matters whose in charge.
Cooper has seen his namesake Brandon play, he's also managed Guehi with the national team, at the moment in his opinion the latter is more suited to a promotion push than the former, there's nothing wrong with that. |
Potter got us promoted, did he? Must have missed that.
I spent the first half of the season slagging him off for tinkering, and the whole season slagging him off for Nordfeldt. Feel free to tell me I was wrong. But the version of me you've got in your head is easier to argue with, I suppose. I've got an agenda, I hate the football club etc.
Whatever gets you hard. | | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 15:41 - Jan 16 with 1267 views | Swanjaxs |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 15:34 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
Potter got us promoted, did he? Must have missed that.
I spent the first half of the season slagging him off for tinkering, and the whole season slagging him off for Nordfeldt. Feel free to tell me I was wrong. But the version of me you've got in your head is easier to argue with, I suppose. I've got an agenda, I hate the football club etc.
Whatever gets you hard. |
I'm liking the new redesigned Jasper T 
Bit more edgy
Bit more controversial
Doesn't take any prisoners
And not afraid to go for the cheap shot either 🤔
Go Jasper Go Jaspe Go Jasper 😠| |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 15:43 - Jan 16 with 1262 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 15:34 - Jan 16 by jasper_T |
Potter got us promoted, did he? Must have missed that.
I spent the first half of the season slagging him off for tinkering, and the whole season slagging him off for Nordfeldt. Feel free to tell me I was wrong. But the version of me you've got in your head is easier to argue with, I suppose. I've got an agenda, I hate the football club etc.
Whatever gets you hard. |
Are you having a breakdown of some sort?
No he didn’t get us promoted, does that mean he was a failure? Talking of getting hard, doesn’t look like Mulder is getting other managers (actual managers, computer games don’t count) as excited as he got you. Rightly third choice here and not surprised there hasn’t been any interest. | | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 19:24 - Jan 16 with 1193 views | Neath_Jack |
Great to see Jasper back in full flow.
The thought of that Chelsea kid pushing Cabango out is pissing me off, I won't lie. Maybe that won't happen, we'll soon see i guess.
That's all this gimp is trying to do is get his world cup winning team back here. The bloke is clueless. |  |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 20:13 - Jan 16 with 1155 views | nantywatcher |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 19:24 - Jan 16 by Neath_Jack |
Great to see Jasper back in full flow.
The thought of that Chelsea kid pushing Cabango out is pissing me off, I won't lie. Maybe that won't happen, we'll soon see i guess.
That's all this gimp is trying to do is get his world cup winning team back here. The bloke is clueless. |
Clueless? I'd wander over to the mirror if I was you. Swansea City and Planet Swans could well do without vile contributions from clueless idiots like you. | | | |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 20:19 - Jan 16 with 1147 views | Swanjaxs |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 19:24 - Jan 16 by Neath_Jack |
Great to see Jasper back in full flow.
The thought of that Chelsea kid pushing Cabango out is pissing me off, I won't lie. Maybe that won't happen, we'll soon see i guess.
That's all this gimp is trying to do is get his world cup winning team back here. The bloke is clueless. |
Yes Jasper in full flow is a sight to behold...
The Geoffrey Boycott of Planet Swans ⤠| |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 20:34 - Jan 16 with 1124 views | Catullus |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 20:13 - Jan 16 by nantywatcher |
Clueless? I'd wander over to the mirror if I was you. Swansea City and Planet Swans could well do without vile contributions from clueless idiots like you. |
It's all just opinions mun, don't get worked up 
For what it's worth, a first class academy would still be very important to us but it won't supply all the players we need , it won't give us the quality in every position so we'd still need to buy or loan players. Getting the balane right is the important thing.
We don't want the academy players with most potential missing out to loanees, all we would be doing was improving another teams player for no good reason. At the same time we need the strength in depth, the quality of cover when ther's injuries and suspensions.
The out of contract players, that needs looking at. Those we want to keep we need to get signed up asap, if we can't we will know we need to look elsewhere. Those we don't want to keep we should just tell them the big goodbye is coming.
I agree about Cabango, it would be wrong if Guehi keeps him out but then, will it be wrong if Gallacher keeps Byers or Gtimes out? | |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 20:37 - Jan 16 with 1122 views | Neath_Jack |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 20:13 - Jan 16 by nantywatcher |
Clueless? I'd wander over to the mirror if I was you. Swansea City and Planet Swans could well do without vile contributions from clueless idiots like you. |
Nancy, f you don't like it pop me on ignore wuss.
Vile be f*cked  | |
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| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 20:45 - Jan 16 with 1113 views | jack247 |
| Squad of loanees and 14 out of contract players on 20:34 - Jan 16 by Catullus |
It's all just opinions mun, don't get worked up
For what it's worth, a first class academy would still be very important to us but it won't supply all the players we need , it won't give us the quality in every position so we'd still need to buy or loan players. Getting the balane right is the important thing.
We don't want the academy players with most potential missing out to loanees, all we would be doing was improving another teams player for no good reason. At the same time we need the strength in depth, the quality of cover when ther's injuries and suspensions.
The out of contract players, that needs looking at. Those we want to keep we need to get signed up asap, if we can't we will know we need to look elsewhere. Those we don't want to keep we should just tell them the big goodbye is coming.
I agree about Cabango, it would be wrong if Guehi keeps him out but then, will it be wrong if Gallacher keeps Byers or Gtimes out? |
It’s only wrong if Guéhi keeps Cabango out if he does it just because he’s come from Chelsea or they’ve got a guaranteed minutes agreement. As you say, it’s no different to Gallagher keeping Byers out.
If we had 10 games left and no chance of playoffs or relegation, then I’d agree, play as many academy players as possible. As it stands we’ve as good a chance of playoffs as anybody. Seems nuts to me not to play our strongest side as often as possible. If that includes Guéhi and Gallagher then great, if it includes Cabango and Byers, even better. | | | |
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