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So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 09:47 - Jul 30 by Lohengrin
And yet, Bryn, HM Govt spends some 13.5m on providing security for Jewish schools and places of worship. The threat isn’t illusory, there’s a reason people like Freedman are spooked. We ALL know that reason, it doesn’t need spelling out.
Then when Freedman looks at the leader of HM opposition slouching into view comes somebody who has variously:
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“. Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list. Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“. Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist. Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP. Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag. Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun. Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker. Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“. Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime. Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS. Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria. Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted. Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela. Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“. Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader. Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria. Opposed shoot to kill. Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC. Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects. Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS. Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel. Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK. Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”. Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”. Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”. Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich. Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal. Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”. Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC. Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO. Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times. Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad. Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign — marches attended by Hezbollah. Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda. Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS. Received endorsement from Hamas. Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani. Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS. Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel. Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage. Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers. Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today. Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir. Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers. Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel. Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group. Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg. Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group. Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings. Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops. Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”. Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj. Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”. Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer. Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta. Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen. Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences. Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services. Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel. Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John. Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”. Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible. Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks. Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”. Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain. Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime. Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic. Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”. Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles. Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11. Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group. Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism. Voted against banning al-Qaeda. Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror. Voted against control orders. Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
Why are Jews wary in the extreme of Corbyn, Bryn? Because of the above or because they hate the thought of paying a few bob more in tax? Let’s look at the tale of the scales...
But Jezza's a man of principles. Or something.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 08:33 - Jul 31 with 2430 views
I partially retract my previous comment about Loh.
He missed quite a few things out, most damning being :-
chaired an anti-zionism meeting in parliament in 2010 - on Holocaust Memorial day.
EDIT: I can't see Corbyn lasting too long tbh. There's too much damning stuff now. He can't claim anymore that any anti-semitism isn't in his name when he sat through Willsman's anti-semitic rant and said nothing.
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So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 09:33 - Jul 31 with 2420 views
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 08:33 - Jul 31 by bluey_the_blue
I partially retract my previous comment about Loh.
He missed quite a few things out, most damning being :-
chaired an anti-zionism meeting in parliament in 2010 - on Holocaust Memorial day.
EDIT: I can't see Corbyn lasting too long tbh. There's too much damning stuff now. He can't claim anymore that any anti-semitism isn't in his name when he sat through Willsman's anti-semitic rant and said nothing.
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You've been saying that for 3 years now.
He's an ex KGB spy, an IRA member and now part of the third reich.
People are not buying it bluey, the ones who should be ashamed are the ones kicking up the accusations for their own personal agenda.
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 09:47 - Jul 30 by Lohengrin
And yet, Bryn, HM Govt spends some 13.5m on providing security for Jewish schools and places of worship. The threat isn’t illusory, there’s a reason people like Freedman are spooked. We ALL know that reason, it doesn’t need spelling out.
Then when Freedman looks at the leader of HM opposition slouching into view comes somebody who has variously:
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“. Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list. Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“. Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist. Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP. Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag. Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun. Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker. Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“. Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime. Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS. Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria. Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted. Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela. Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“. Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader. Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria. Opposed shoot to kill. Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC. Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects. Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS. Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel. Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK. Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”. Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”. Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”. Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich. Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal. Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”. Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC. Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO. Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times. Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad. Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign — marches attended by Hezbollah. Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda. Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS. Received endorsement from Hamas. Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani. Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS. Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel. Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage. Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers. Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today. Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir. Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers. Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel. Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group. Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg. Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group. Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings. Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops. Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”. Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj. Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”. Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer. Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta. Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen. Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences. Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services. Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel. Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John. Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”. Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible. Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks. Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”. Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain. Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime. Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic. Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”. Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles. Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11. Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group. Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism. Voted against banning al-Qaeda. Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror. Voted against control orders. Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
Why are Jews wary in the extreme of Corbyn, Bryn? Because of the above or because they hate the thought of paying a few bob more in tax? Let’s look at the tale of the scales...
Do you have 100% proof/citations for that long list of accusations. It's like a long form version of the Daily heil.
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 09:35 - Jul 31 by Ebo
Do you have 100% proof/citations for that long list of accusations. It's like a long form version of the Daily heil.
Yes, sir. Pick a card, any card. Pick a few.
I was helping a friend take a fridge freezer down his daughter’s house last night, Eb. He’s a Labour man through and through, old Labour. A card-carrying member of thirty-odd years standing. He probably thinks what your Dad thinks and votes how your Dad would is probably the best way to describe him. I was talking to him about this caper and he is flummoxed. “It’s not like that around here, mun. I don’t know anybody like that.”
I don’t doubt him, Eb. From now on I think I’ll start referring to the Corbyn Experiment as L.I.N.O. (Labour in name only) to differentiate between decent folk like him and bonkers Trots.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 10:22 - Jul 31 with 2400 views
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 09:33 - Jul 31 by Ebo
You've been saying that for 3 years now.
He's an ex KGB spy, an IRA member and now part of the third reich.
People are not buying it bluey, the ones who should be ashamed are the ones kicking up the accusations for their own personal agenda.
So you're saying there's no anti-semitism under Corbyn's watch.
What next, claim it's a Jewish conspiracy?
I hate to break it to you but with my greater knowledge of Jewish communities, getting most to agree on anything is approaching miracle status...
Like it or not, there are a good few anti-semites given prominence within the Labour party. Corbyn has wanted to shy away from confronting that for whatever reason. This could very easily have been nipped in the bud a long time ago with firm, decisive action to show it's not tolerated.
Corbyn has tried to sit on the fence, appeasing his core supporters who in turn have felt emboldened by the lack of action. There have been way too many examples to justify continuing to give Corbyn the benefit of any doubt.
He knows precisely what he is, who his supporters are.
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 10:22 - Jul 31 by bluey_the_blue
So you're saying there's no anti-semitism under Corbyn's watch.
What next, claim it's a Jewish conspiracy?
I hate to break it to you but with my greater knowledge of Jewish communities, getting most to agree on anything is approaching miracle status...
Like it or not, there are a good few anti-semites given prominence within the Labour party. Corbyn has wanted to shy away from confronting that for whatever reason. This could very easily have been nipped in the bud a long time ago with firm, decisive action to show it's not tolerated.
Corbyn has tried to sit on the fence, appeasing his core supporters who in turn have felt emboldened by the lack of action. There have been way too many examples to justify continuing to give Corbyn the benefit of any doubt.
He knows precisely what he is, who his supporters are.
The media are accusing him of be just that though when he clearly is not.
It is and always will be a smear campaign orchestrated from the Blairites within the Labour party and the Murdoch empire. If Labour had another blue tory in charge like Blair nothing would be said would it. Murdoch fears Corbyn.
If I were you, I would be concerned about the absolute clusterf*ck your party is right now,. Won't be long and they will be gone leaving Labour with an almighty mess yet again.
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 10:35 - Jul 31 by Ebo
The media are accusing him of be just that though when he clearly is not.
It is and always will be a smear campaign orchestrated from the Blairites within the Labour party and the Murdoch empire. If Labour had another blue tory in charge like Blair nothing would be said would it. Murdoch fears Corbyn.
If I were you, I would be concerned about the absolute clusterf*ck your party is right now,. Won't be long and they will be gone leaving Labour with an almighty mess yet again.
"When he clearly is not"?
And how pray tell do you assert "he clearly is not"?
Would a clear non anti-semite just sit there silently when Willsman comes out with anto-semitism or would he call him out publicly?
It's people dismissing anti-semitism claims as "smears" that emboldens those who come out with it, especially when they can openly come out with such comments in the presence of the party leader knowing there are no consequences. For all your talk of "Blairites", here's something for you to consider.
Willsman's comments were widely reported weeks ago. It's only NOW that the audio has emerged that people are suddenly reacting. But for that audio, those you claim are smearing Labour Blairites would happy cover it up.
Murdoch? Papers across all spectrums ( ignoring Morning Star ) have raised the issue.
Labour will not win under Corbyn.
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So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 10:59 - Jul 31 with 2359 views
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 10:47 - Jul 31 by bluey_the_blue
"When he clearly is not"?
And how pray tell do you assert "he clearly is not"?
Would a clear non anti-semite just sit there silently when Willsman comes out with anto-semitism or would he call him out publicly?
It's people dismissing anti-semitism claims as "smears" that emboldens those who come out with it, especially when they can openly come out with such comments in the presence of the party leader knowing there are no consequences. For all your talk of "Blairites", here's something for you to consider.
Willsman's comments were widely reported weeks ago. It's only NOW that the audio has emerged that people are suddenly reacting. But for that audio, those you claim are smearing Labour Blairites would happy cover it up.
Murdoch? Papers across all spectrums ( ignoring Morning Star ) have raised the issue.
Labour will not win under Corbyn.
I love it when you blues say that, what was it the other year "He will never win a leadership battle". Check the latest polls Bluey and if he does agree that there should be a peoples vote to say yes or no to a No deal Brexit then it'll be a landslide for him,
You got lucky in the last election and nearly lost it had it not been for the 1 million bung to those Irish loonies. There is a purge coming in the Labour party, it won't happen overnight.
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 10:59 - Jul 31 by Ebo
I love it when you blues say that, what was it the other year "He will never win a leadership battle". Check the latest polls Bluey and if he does agree that there should be a peoples vote to say yes or no to a No deal Brexit then it'll be a landslide for him,
You got lucky in the last election and nearly lost it had it not been for the 1 million bung to those Irish loonies. There is a purge coming in the Labour party, it won't happen overnight.
A purge?
‘Kinell Eb, mun!
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 11:34 - Jul 31 with 2337 views
I don't think this is about antisemitism at all, though I expect it does exist in some degree in the Labour Party, though I am sure to a far less degree than it exists in the Conservative Party. No, I think this is about the fear that Jeremy Corbyn, will be receptive to the arguments of the Palestinian people living under Israeli occupation and that he will lead the UK soon. I don't think Israel or Jonathan Freedland, the Guardian editor, welcome that prospect at all. I could be wrong, but this looks more like the old adage of a 'good defence is a good offense' played out in print.
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 10:35 - Jul 31 by Ebo
The media are accusing him of be just that though when he clearly is not.
It is and always will be a smear campaign orchestrated from the Blairites within the Labour party and the Murdoch empire. If Labour had another blue tory in charge like Blair nothing would be said would it. Murdoch fears Corbyn.
If I were you, I would be concerned about the absolute clusterf*ck your party is right now,. Won't be long and they will be gone leaving Labour with an almighty mess yet again.
How can it be a smear when he’s admitted there’s a issue and also been filmed saying or doing these things?
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 10:59 - Jul 31 by Ebo
I love it when you blues say that, what was it the other year "He will never win a leadership battle". Check the latest polls Bluey and if he does agree that there should be a peoples vote to say yes or no to a No deal Brexit then it'll be a landslide for him,
You got lucky in the last election and nearly lost it had it not been for the 1 million bung to those Irish loonies. There is a purge coming in the Labour party, it won't happen overnight.
Check the latest polls indeed.
May is f*cking incompetent, Labour should have a commanding lead.
Ah yes, a purge. That'll work. The purge of militant tendency et al eventually got Labour elected; seems Corbyn wants a purge to keep only those that the public constantly reject.
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So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 13:18 - Jul 31 with 2268 views
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 10:40 - Jul 31 by Lohengrin
Just how dark is The Telegraph or Times?
You are free to refute, Sherp. Ante-up.
Lets take just one.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
I don't particularly like Corbyn, but the real danger to our country and our values is not Corbyn, it's those who seek to fabricate stories without evidence or mislead those gullible enough to believe it, or those blinkered enough to want to believe it.
The Czech spy story being the best (and most ridiculous) example.
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 13:18 - Jul 31 by sherpajacob
Lets take just one.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
I don't particularly like Corbyn, but the real danger to our country and our values is not Corbyn, it's those who seek to fabricate stories without evidence or mislead those gullible enough to believe it, or those blinkered enough to want to believe it.
The Czech spy story being the best (and most ridiculous) example.
That’s right. I can just imagine Urquhart briefing 2 Para prior to the drop at Arnhem that they were to tip-toe around Model’s Army Group B and try and arrest them. “Casualties would be such a ‘tragic’ outcome. Let’s not be beastly to the Germans, I should like you all to use inclusive language in any interactions.”
Dear me, Sherp!
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 14:26 - Jul 31 with 2220 views
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 13:50 - Jul 31 by Lohengrin
That’s right. I can just imagine Urquhart briefing 2 Para prior to the drop at Arnhem that they were to tip-toe around Model’s Army Group B and try and arrest them. “Casualties would be such a ‘tragic’ outcome. Let’s not be beastly to the Germans, I should like you all to use inclusive language in any interactions.”
Dear me, Sherp!
I don't recall Bin Laden's house being defended by an elite panzer battalion.
what does wiki say about Model : " In April 1945, with the Third Reich's defeat imminent, Model committed suicide rather than be captured and stand trial for war crimes. "
That's right "captured and stand trial", like the other Nazis captured and put on trial. even Goering. The soviets didn't shoot Von Paulus at Stalingrad.
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 10:47 - Jul 31 by bluey_the_blue
"When he clearly is not"?
And how pray tell do you assert "he clearly is not"?
Would a clear non anti-semite just sit there silently when Willsman comes out with anto-semitism or would he call him out publicly?
It's people dismissing anti-semitism claims as "smears" that emboldens those who come out with it, especially when they can openly come out with such comments in the presence of the party leader knowing there are no consequences. For all your talk of "Blairites", here's something for you to consider.
Willsman's comments were widely reported weeks ago. It's only NOW that the audio has emerged that people are suddenly reacting. But for that audio, those you claim are smearing Labour Blairites would happy cover it up.
Murdoch? Papers across all spectrums ( ignoring Morning Star ) have raised the issue.
Labour will not win under Corbyn.
to back up your point Bluey about its not just Murdoch, here's the Jewish chronicle exposing another leading UK politician for meeting with a known anti semite.
So there is anti-Semitism in the Labour Party then? on 14:39 - Jul 31 by sherpajacob
to back up your point Bluey about its not just Murdoch, here's the Jewish chronicle exposing another leading UK politician for meeting with a known anti semite.
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