| Rumour around these parts.. 17:39 - Dec 1 with 12787 views | WhiteyBFC |
That Rotherham are trying to tempt Keith.
Please God no. |  | | |  |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 17:59 - Dec 1 with 9026 views | dingdangblue |
Hasn't Ronnie Moore just quit Eastleigh to rejoin the Millers? He's much better than Keith  |  |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 18:16 - Dec 1 with 8960 views | 442Dale |
As soon as that job became available it was something that crossed my mind, only to see how many have left recently for the thought to disappear. However, looking at the size of the club, it's a good fit.
Hill knows by now though, there's only one club that he'll ever be able to manage completely. No reason to leave. |  |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 18:25 - Dec 1 with 8929 views | WhiteyBFC |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 18:16 - Dec 1 by 442Dale |
As soon as that job became available it was something that crossed my mind, only to see how many have left recently for the thought to disappear. However, looking at the size of the club, it's a good fit.
Hill knows by now though, there's only one club that he'll ever be able to manage completely. No reason to leave. |
I was told he was on Stewart's short list as they see him as the perfect man to get them back up whilst working to a budget and bringing players through. I can totally see that logic. He'd be perfect for them long term.
But I don't see it as good for him.
It's a compliment though, it shows Dale are doing well. | | | |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 19:16 - Dec 1 with 8782 views | mingthemerciless |
He'll be be gone one day that's for certain. The thing is to identify the next " Keith Hill " and move quickly when the time comes. |  | | |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 20:36 - Dec 1 with 8591 views | boromat |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 19:16 - Dec 1 by mingthemerciless |
He'll be be gone one day that's for certain. The thing is to identify the next " Keith Hill " and move quickly when the time comes. |
We failed on that front last time though :-( | |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 22:18 - Dec 1 with 8393 views | mingthemerciless |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 20:36 - Dec 1 by boromat |
We failed on that front last time though :-( |
How anybody thought a Premier League youth team coach was going to fill his boots I'll never know. Whoever appointed Eyre needed to give their head a wobble. | | | |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 22:33 - Dec 1 with 8355 views | dingdangblue |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 19:16 - Dec 1 by mingthemerciless |
He'll be be gone one day that's for certain. The thing is to identify the next " Keith Hill " and move quickly when the time comes. |
There is no 'next Keith Hill' unfortunately - he is irreplaceable. | |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 23:08 - Dec 1 with 8297 views | Daley_Lama |
Don't think Hilly would go for this one.
Hope his next club when it comes is a Derby type club. |  |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 23:13 - Dec 1 with 8276 views | mingthemerciless |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 22:33 - Dec 1 by dingdangblue |
There is no 'next Keith Hill' unfortunately - he is irreplaceable. |
There's a place up Bury Rd that's full of people who were irreplaceable. | | | |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 07:40 - Dec 2 with 8058 views | fitzochris |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 22:18 - Dec 1 by mingthemerciless |
How anybody thought a Premier League youth team coach was going to fill his boots I'll never know. Whoever appointed Eyre needed to give their head a wobble. |
Keith Hill was a League Two youth team coach before he was employed as manager. |  |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 07:42 - Dec 2 with 8055 views | fitzochris |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 18:25 - Dec 1 by WhiteyBFC |
I was told he was on Stewart's short list as they see him as the perfect man to get them back up whilst working to a budget and bringing players through. I can totally see that logic. He'd be perfect for them long term.
But I don't see it as good for him.
It's a compliment though, it shows Dale are doing well. |
Aye. | |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 07:48 - Dec 2 with 8036 views | aleanddale |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 19:16 - Dec 1 by mingthemerciless |
He'll be be gone one day that's for certain. The thing is to identify the next " Keith Hill " and move quickly when the time comes. |
Why will he definitely move on?
To have a limited shelf life in the championship - plenty do that.
He could do something that not a lot of managers achieve and build a legacy here at Spotland.
In days of short term ism a much bigger achievement would be a significant prolonged period at one small club keeping us in the third tier.
Once bitten very much works in our favour here! | | | |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 07:55 - Dec 2 with 8021 views | 1907 |
Wasn't Rotherham a club Hill was very critical of one time around regarding finances? HITC sports that ha published this story is one of the most unreliable sports news sites on the web. Can't see it myself, anyway they've no chance because Bury want him! | | | |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 08:39 - Dec 2 with 7949 views | Bobbyjoe |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 22:18 - Dec 1 by mingthemerciless |
How anybody thought a Premier League youth team coach was going to fill his boots I'll never know. Whoever appointed Eyre needed to give their head a wobble. |
Was he any worse than Coleman, in any respect, or anyone else other than Hill, come to that, over the last fifteen years or so! | | | |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 09:10 - Dec 2 with 7880 views | judd |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 07:40 - Dec 2 by fitzochris |
Keith Hill was a League Two youth team coach before he was employed as manager. |
Aye Fitzo but he was a caretaker manager first and delivered some great results before his permanent appointment. |  |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 09:32 - Dec 2 with 7830 views | mingthemerciless |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 07:48 - Dec 2 by aleanddale |
Why will he definitely move on?
To have a limited shelf life in the championship - plenty do that.
He could do something that not a lot of managers achieve and build a legacy here at Spotland.
In days of short term ism a much bigger achievement would be a significant prolonged period at one small club keeping us in the third tier.
Once bitten very much works in our favour here! |
If he keeps up with the progress he's already made at Spotland sooner or later a higher level club will take a chance on him. That's how football works. I think it's only his ability to have an argument in an empty house that seems to be scaring people off at the moment.
If things goes tits up eventually he'd get fired just like every other manager.
What makes you think he'll have " a limited shelf life in the Championship " ? He won't be thinking along those lines, you can be sure of that. He'll have been looking at the QPR and Wolves jobs etc and thinking " I could do that ".
A lack of self confidence has never been one of his failings.
The only manager I can think of that has bumped around the lower levels for a long period of time at the same club is Dario Gradi at Crewe. He seemed to shy away from the spotlight and be quite content to stay at Crewe. Maybe he had his reasons for that. [Post edited 2 Dec 2016 9:36]
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 09:46 - Dec 2 with 7795 views | TVOS1907 |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 08:39 - Dec 2 by Bobbyjoe |
Was he any worse than Coleman, in any respect, or anyone else other than Hill, come to that, over the last fifteen years or so! |
Yes.
He was worse than Parkin (first spell and the first two seasons of his second spell) and worse than Hollins.
Still, he talks a good game. |  |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 09:58 - Dec 2 with 7760 views | Bobbyjoe |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 09:46 - Dec 2 by TVOS1907 |
Yes.
He was worse than Parkin (first spell and the first two seasons of his second spell) and worse than Hollins.
Still, he talks a good game. |
Pedant! | | | |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 10:16 - Dec 2 with 7716 views | aleanddale |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 09:32 - Dec 2 by mingthemerciless |
If he keeps up with the progress he's already made at Spotland sooner or later a higher level club will take a chance on him. That's how football works. I think it's only his ability to have an argument in an empty house that seems to be scaring people off at the moment.
If things goes tits up eventually he'd get fired just like every other manager.
What makes you think he'll have " a limited shelf life in the Championship " ? He won't be thinking along those lines, you can be sure of that. He'll have been looking at the QPR and Wolves jobs etc and thinking " I could do that ".
A lack of self confidence has never been one of his failings.
The only manager I can think of that has bumped around the lower levels for a long period of time at the same club is Dario Gradi at Crewe. He seemed to shy away from the spotlight and be quite content to stay at Crewe. Maybe he had his reasons for that. [Post edited 2 Dec 2016 9:36]
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During the last 3 season ( an absolute age in football terms ) who has been the longest serving manager at a championship club?
The stats tell you all the jobs are hugely transient... Why would hilly buck that trend.
It's not the man.. He is more than capable but sometimes you cannot win something that is so un winnable.
I am a complete Hill nut though and just want him at Spotland for the long haul. | | | |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 10:29 - Dec 2 with 7679 views | fitzochris |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 09:10 - Dec 2 by judd |
Aye Fitzo but he was a caretaker manager first and delivered some great results before his permanent appointment. |
All true, and I'm not for one second defending Eyre's tenure as manager, but, given Hill's background, you can understand why Dunphy went for someone with a similar one and who promoted the same ideals.
Certainly not a reason for Dunphy to give his 'head a wobble'. | |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 10:46 - Dec 2 with 7632 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 08:39 - Dec 2 by Bobbyjoe |
Was he any worse than Coleman, in any respect, or anyone else other than Hill, come to that, over the last fifteen years or so! |
Definitely. With Eyre I would have been worried about relegation from league 2 not just league 1. With Coleman I never worried about relegation from league 2. Also, despite some poor signings, Coleman made a few good ones such as Raf, Grant, Reece and Cav. I cannot think of one good Eyre signing. Coleman has also proved since Dale that he can indeed manage. Eyre is back where he should be. Coleman didn't fit, Eyre was well out of his depth. | |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 10:52 - Dec 2 with 7600 views | mingthemerciless |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 10:29 - Dec 2 by fitzochris |
All true, and I'm not for one second defending Eyre's tenure as manager, but, given Hill's background, you can understand why Dunphy went for someone with a similar one and who promoted the same ideals.
Certainly not a reason for Dunphy to give his 'head a wobble'. |
I don't get the " similar backround " in this. Hill had been an established player albeit at lower level. Who had Eyre played for ? Coaching schoolboys at City with the level they are at both financially and ability wise is nothing like coaching experienced pro's at the ' Dale.
I couldn't believe it when he was appointed, it had disaster written all over it. | | | |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 11:53 - Dec 2 with 7497 views | fitzochris |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 10:52 - Dec 2 by mingthemerciless |
I don't get the " similar backround " in this. Hill had been an established player albeit at lower level. Who had Eyre played for ? Coaching schoolboys at City with the level they are at both financially and ability wise is nothing like coaching experienced pro's at the ' Dale.
I couldn't believe it when he was appointed, it had disaster written all over it. |
When Eyre was appointed, it didn't have disaster written all over it.
It was a bold appointment, granted, given the other applicants at the time, but it was a decision based on what Keith Hill had achieved.
Let's not start comparing the playing careers of Hill and Eyre. Hill was a pro, true, but he spent the latter end of his career playing hoof ball for Graham Barrow. He'd also played for the likes of Neil Warnock and Steve Parkin - successful coaches but old school. Hill's coaching style is not borne out of his experience as a player. His style is, or was at the time, progressive as far as League Two went.
He worked with youth at Dale and believed in it. He promoted it. That's what Eyre did, too, but at a Premier League club, working with elite youth players. He believed in all the same things Keith Hill did and that's why Dunphy gave him the job.
The difference is, Hill made a fantastic fist of his first crack at management and Steve Eyre didn't. It's easy for people to blame Dunphy with hindsight, but his rationale was sound. | |
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| Rumour around these parts.. on 12:02 - Dec 2 with 7469 views | D_Alien |
| Rumour around these parts.. on 11:53 - Dec 2 by fitzochris |
When Eyre was appointed, it didn't have disaster written all over it.
It was a bold appointment, granted, given the other applicants at the time, but it was a decision based on what Keith Hill had achieved.
Let's not start comparing the playing careers of Hill and Eyre. Hill was a pro, true, but he spent the latter end of his career playing hoof ball for Graham Barrow. He'd also played for the likes of Neil Warnock and Steve Parkin - successful coaches but old school. Hill's coaching style is not borne out of his experience as a player. His style is, or was at the time, progressive as far as League Two went.
He worked with youth at Dale and believed in it. He promoted it. That's what Eyre did, too, but at a Premier League club, working with elite youth players. He believed in all the same things Keith Hill did and that's why Dunphy gave him the job.
The difference is, Hill made a fantastic fist of his first crack at management and Steve Eyre didn't. It's easy for people to blame Dunphy with hindsight, but his rationale was sound. |
Absolutely
It was going to be a risk, whoever followed Hill, and going for the 'left-field' option, with the rationale you describe, made at least as much sense to continue Hill's legacy as going to the type of manager who we'd tried before without success, i.e. someone like Coleman |  |
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