| Tony Fernandes out. 23:14 - Dec 2 with 8754 views | Brightonhoop |
Never thought I would say it but jesus wept. Pack your cuddly duffle coat and clear your desk. Hughes was never excusable but tonight showed how floored your judgement is. Loyalty to a dog that shits yer persian rug is flawed.
Adel and Routledge brought us up under Warnocks guidance, tonight Routledge sunk us playing 'safe' for a point and the best we've seen at LR since Stan Bowles is 'injured/unfit.'
Bollx Tony F, enough is e fcking nough, fark orf and take Redknapp and your backwards retards with you. It is December. He still has not get them fit. Away to Swansea, this was not a capitualtion at Utd ffs.
QPR have ruined too many of my Xmas's and this on e is mine all mine.
Fck off Rangers. Fck off TF and fck off Redknapp. Cannot even play in a chosen kit of Hoops let alone take a point away, utterly ashamed of Queens Park Rangers tonight and it is not going to change.
So fark orf Tony, nobody will tell you that is close to you but under the heavens you are shyte at your job.
No pride, no guts and no hope. Not good ENOUGH! Taxi! |  | | |  |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 15:22 - Dec 5 with 1516 views | kensalriser |
I'll take a bet against Southampton finishing top 6 at evens, never mind top 4! |  |
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| Tony Fernandes out. on 15:53 - Dec 5 with 1484 views | daveB |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 00:29 - Dec 5 by Hunterhoop |
Literally couldn't be more wrong.
Case Study: S'oton...about a 8-10 years ago, I think, maybe a tad longer. |
not even got to go that far back, we played then 5 and a half years ago, 0-0 draw and Adel's debut. They were crap, relegated that season and going nowhere, almost went out of business a year later. To be where they are now and how they have done it is ridiculous. Full credit to them |  | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:12 - Dec 5 with 1455 views | paulparker |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 15:53 - Dec 5 by daveB |
not even got to go that far back, we played then 5 and a half years ago, 0-0 draw and Adel's debut. They were crap, relegated that season and going nowhere, almost went out of business a year later. To be where they are now and how they have done it is ridiculous. Full credit to them |
Goes to show that you have to get the basics in order 1st and start from scratch , ok they already had the stadium, but they infested in the youth, training ground, coaches , Scouting, visions in what players they wanted, they went from pardew, to Adkins, both guys done good steady jobs, (especially adkins) but they then went and got an up & coming manager to take them to the next level, they had a plan
Southampton have a vision for the next 10 years where we have a vision for the next 10 minutes ,
TF had the opportunity to start from the bottom, ie coaching, scouting, youth players , Training ground , we haven't done that & are no where near that , we are like a Gambler who is always chasing his next win after losing the last 5 races ,ie playing catch up ,
TF idea of a brand new future is with a bloke who is 67 who hardly gives a monkeys ,
its not about building a dynasty (look at the fiasco with warren farm) with TF its about old oak common , when that doesn't come off watch him scarper off like he did caterham |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 16:34 - Dec 5 with 1433 views | Hunterhoop |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 15:53 - Dec 5 by daveB |
not even got to go that far back, we played then 5 and a half years ago, 0-0 draw and Adel's debut. They were crap, relegated that season and going nowhere, almost went out of business a year later. To be where they are now and how they have done it is ridiculous. Full credit to them |
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| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:39 - Dec 5 with 1424 views | daveB |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:12 - Dec 5 by paulparker |
Goes to show that you have to get the basics in order 1st and start from scratch , ok they already had the stadium, but they infested in the youth, training ground, coaches , Scouting, visions in what players they wanted, they went from pardew, to Adkins, both guys done good steady jobs, (especially adkins) but they then went and got an up & coming manager to take them to the next level, they had a plan
Southampton have a vision for the next 10 years where we have a vision for the next 10 minutes ,
TF had the opportunity to start from the bottom, ie coaching, scouting, youth players , Training ground , we haven't done that & are no where near that , we are like a Gambler who is always chasing his next win after losing the last 5 races ,ie playing catch up ,
TF idea of a brand new future is with a bloke who is 67 who hardly gives a monkeys ,
its not about building a dynasty (look at the fiasco with warren farm) with TF its about old oak common , when that doesn't come off watch him scarper off like he did caterham |
We are light years behind Southampton, in fairness to them they were doing things right off the pitch decades before us producing players like the Wallaces, Shearer, Le Tissier whilst we were buying players so when they did hit the wall 5 odd years ago they had something to fall back on. We are knackered when it goes wrong | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:43 - Dec 5 with 1412 views | Hunterhoop |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:39 - Dec 5 by daveB |
We are light years behind Southampton, in fairness to them they were doing things right off the pitch decades before us producing players like the Wallaces, Shearer, Le Tissier whilst we were buying players so when they did hit the wall 5 odd years ago they had something to fall back on. We are knackered when it goes wrong |
Exactly. Hence why putting in place this infrastructure IS the most important thing we can do with whatever cash is available, NOT signing 'the boy Crouchie' and/or Defoe. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:47 - Dec 5 with 1402 views | Jamie |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 15:03 - Dec 5 by Hunterhoop |
S'oton invested heavily in their infrastructure: ground, training facilities, academy, organisational structure, etc at a time when they actually got relegated on the pitch and tumbled down the divisions.
But look at the them now: potentially the first club for decades to break into the top 4 out of the big 6 (Utd, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liv, Spurs).
Yes, in the short term, I'm sure there fans were frustrated, and, Christ, I don't want us to be relegated at all. I loved Wembley. I want us playing at the top level.
But, if we want to avoid seasons like the last few in the Prem, we need to invest in infrastructure and stop wasting money on signing after signing, just because 'Aryy needs "a bit more quality". To not do so, would be stupid.
Always do what you've always done and you'll always get what you always got. For us that's failed Premier League campaigns.
Yes, you don't reap the rewards for a few years, but when you do, you get the "established Premier League club" aspiring for Europe that I get the impression you (and I) want.
For S'oton, you can substitute quite a few clubs who've focussed on infrastructure, as others have noted. I just think they're the most telling example. |
Bit generous to Saints there. In reality they 'invested' a lot of money they didn't have, ended up in administration, causing financial pain to lots of local businesses and ending up days from liquidation before a billionaire took them on.
They were also very fortunate in that academy rules on travel gave Pompey & Southampton a free run at the best players from a huge catchment area and Pompey who were the academy you wanted to be in growing up 10 years ago in Sussex & Hampshire completely coincedentally took their focus off youth development just as Arry took over as manager.. |  | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:47 - Dec 5 with 1403 views | daveB |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:43 - Dec 5 by Hunterhoop |
Exactly. Hence why putting in place this infrastructure IS the most important thing we can do with whatever cash is available, NOT signing 'the boy Crouchie' and/or Defoe. |
couldn't agree more, been the case for years now and we never do anything about it | | | |
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| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:48 - Dec 5 with 1400 views | paulparker |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:39 - Dec 5 by daveB |
We are light years behind Southampton, in fairness to them they were doing things right off the pitch decades before us producing players like the Wallaces, Shearer, Le Tissier whilst we were buying players so when they did hit the wall 5 odd years ago they had something to fall back on. We are knackered when it goes wrong |
Totally agree Dave, we are light years behind them
going back to the days of the Wallace's , shearer, Le Tiss, we were similar sized clubs
and the Dell had a lower capacity than Loftus Road
we also bought through our youth players , but since the days of Thompson through to now we haven't progressed one iota
TF had the chance to start something , lay some foundations, start with a clean slate,
but we have gone backwards and we will continue to chase our tails in the hope we don't get relegated | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:56 - Dec 5 with 1393 views | qprewan |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:39 - Dec 5 by daveB |
We are light years behind Southampton, in fairness to them they were doing things right off the pitch decades before us producing players like the Wallaces, Shearer, Le Tissier whilst we were buying players so when they did hit the wall 5 odd years ago they had something to fall back on. We are knackered when it goes wrong |
Yes spot on Dave; you can also look at Swansea who went up via the play offs the same season that we went up the 1st time; and they have consolidated their position brilliantly; whilst still managing to play entertaining football and spending considerably less than ourselves. Fair play to them.. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:15 - Dec 5 with 1361 views | wood_hoop |
The naevity being shown by some supporters out weighs by a country mile what Fernandes has shown, he is in the business to make money, by the bucketful and not just a few bob on top of his investment in the shotest time possible.
Yet his mutterings are swallowed hook line & sinker by far to many, cost of a ticket, total lack of investment in things that do take time to bear fruition, a book of poor poor decisions that is now reaching Oxford dictionery size, he is not here for the clubs benifit but purely his own, the club is just another vehicle that the greedy profit chasing businesman has managed to get his claws in.
He has used so cleverly the supporters total devotion to the club, any other business would be a basket case with his stunninly stupid decisions and remarks, but then we are a captured market and dosn't he know it, crap chairman=crap manager= crap football club, the equation dosn't need an Einstein to work out.
Iknow the TF fan club will be up in arms about my remarks but he is reducing the club to a farce with the perfect cast of HR and his joke of a 'coaching' crew, or maybe a farce at this time of the year is the wrong phrase, Pantomine would be a better description, HR and TF in a fight over who would be the ars* end of the donkey. |  | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:16 - Dec 5 with 1362 views | daveB |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:56 - Dec 5 by qprewan |
Yes spot on Dave; you can also look at Swansea who went up via the play offs the same season that we went up the 1st time; and they have consolidated their position brilliantly; whilst still managing to play entertaining football and spending considerably less than ourselves. Fair play to them.. |
Swansea have a film out, it's on youtube, shows how they came from bottom of league 2 to winning the league cup, a club run so sensibly it hurts watching the film, nothing they do is rocket science | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:24 - Dec 5 with 1343 views | peejaybee |
So,whats the Solution then.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |  |
| If at first you dont succeed, pack up and f**k off home. |
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| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:35 - Dec 5 with 1323 views | daveB |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:24 - Dec 5 by peejaybee |
So,whats the Solution then.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
time machine | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:41 - Dec 5 with 1314 views | Jamie |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:15 - Dec 5 by wood_hoop |
The naevity being shown by some supporters out weighs by a country mile what Fernandes has shown, he is in the business to make money, by the bucketful and not just a few bob on top of his investment in the shotest time possible.
Yet his mutterings are swallowed hook line & sinker by far to many, cost of a ticket, total lack of investment in things that do take time to bear fruition, a book of poor poor decisions that is now reaching Oxford dictionery size, he is not here for the clubs benifit but purely his own, the club is just another vehicle that the greedy profit chasing businesman has managed to get his claws in.
He has used so cleverly the supporters total devotion to the club, any other business would be a basket case with his stunninly stupid decisions and remarks, but then we are a captured market and dosn't he know it, crap chairman=crap manager= crap football club, the equation dosn't need an Einstein to work out.
Iknow the TF fan club will be up in arms about my remarks but he is reducing the club to a farce with the perfect cast of HR and his joke of a 'coaching' crew, or maybe a farce at this time of the year is the wrong phrase, Pantomine would be a better description, HR and TF in a fight over who would be the ars* end of the donkey. |
No retweet for you young man. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:56 - Dec 5 with 1295 views | Ingham |
A good place to start would be to forget the idea that QPR is a problem in need of a solution.
It's a football club. The problem is the pretence that this kind of stale, clueless rubbish is the solution to anything. The problem is all the losers coming here promising to fix it.
Football. We do football. So why not simply do it? If we don't know how, maybe it would be an idea to LEARN. When did one of these 'owners' turn up and tell us he intended to learn the game from top to bottom.
They're hardly through the door before they're making 'decisions' and 'announcements'. Can we announce success? Can we 'decide' to win? Can the Board 'vote' to make us bigger?
Football is not business. In business, you're a winner if you think you are. It isn't limited to one winner in every competition. What you can achieve in 90 minutes isn't limited to 3 points. The resources you can deploy aren't limited to only 11 players on the pitch. Your opponents don't come to your place and stop you doing what it is your business to do.
Ours do. Practically every week.
If the players are being paid to win, let them be paid WHEN they win. Then their pay would match their achievements and their usefulness to the Club.
Then Harry and the Boys can worry when they'll get it right. It'll matter to them then. And we can watch them struggle to impress, knowing that the less successful they are, the less we have to pay them, and the more money there is available to sign quality replacements.
And if we can't afford quality replacements, why not be HONEST about it? We'll never overcome our limitations if we can't face up to them.
And Gregory showed that it could be done, at least in a small way. Bobby Robson showed that he could keep a small Club in the top 4 for 10 years (Ipswich). Clough and Taylor showed that with a method and a guy who could find the players to fit into the pattern, you could achieve anything. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:56 - Dec 5 with 1297 views | Hunterhoop |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:24 - Dec 5 by peejaybee |
So,whats the Solution then.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
CHANGE.
Change what we do.
Some fans, TF, Beard, 'Arry....everyone goes "woe betide me" and then carries on doing exactly what we've been doing, which patently doesn't work!
Change what we do and how to get a different result. Instead we'll sign Crouchie and Defoe and bring in some loanee and say "it's needed".
And Jamie, don't think I'm being generous. If I remember rightly, the administration piece was driven by the stadium debts, was it not? Not the infrastructure in Rayner around facilities, academy, training ground, mgt structure....and even then the point is having that infrastructure allows you to overcome most problems (even admin) and avoid others and have success.
Swansea another great example as Dave and others point outs.
There's vast evidence to suggest investment in your infrastructure, even at the expense of your finances in the short term, is worthwhile in the long term. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 19:20 - Dec 5 with 1242 views | Jamie |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 17:56 - Dec 5 by Hunterhoop |
CHANGE.
Change what we do.
Some fans, TF, Beard, 'Arry....everyone goes "woe betide me" and then carries on doing exactly what we've been doing, which patently doesn't work!
Change what we do and how to get a different result. Instead we'll sign Crouchie and Defoe and bring in some loanee and say "it's needed".
And Jamie, don't think I'm being generous. If I remember rightly, the administration piece was driven by the stadium debts, was it not? Not the infrastructure in Rayner around facilities, academy, training ground, mgt structure....and even then the point is having that infrastructure allows you to overcome most problems (even admin) and avoid others and have success.
Swansea another great example as Dave and others point outs.
There's vast evidence to suggest investment in your infrastructure, even at the expense of your finances in the short term, is worthwhile in the long term. |
The most important keys to Southamptons success are ones QPR cannot replicate though. Namely a free pass at a huge catchment area and the only rivals focusing on signing big names, ditching their brilliant academy setup in the process.
For all the fawning over Southampton, it still remains that had Pompey not gone full retard, the likes of Bale, Walcott, AOC, Shaw would've come through their academy instead.
That's not to say that we shouldn't invest in infrastructure rather than yet another raft of ex Spurs players, but that's not exactly TFs modus operandi is it. As he's already stated, why invest in a training ground when you can have big name coaches operating out of a delapidated shed. Why bring through youngsters when you can just pick up the players Spurs don't want. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 22:59 - Dec 5 with 1172 views | TW_R |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 16:47 - Dec 5 by Jamie |
Bit generous to Saints there. In reality they 'invested' a lot of money they didn't have, ended up in administration, causing financial pain to lots of local businesses and ending up days from liquidation before a billionaire took them on.
They were also very fortunate in that academy rules on travel gave Pompey & Southampton a free run at the best players from a huge catchment area and Pompey who were the academy you wanted to be in growing up 10 years ago in Sussex & Hampshire completely coincedentally took their focus off youth development just as Arry took over as manager.. |
Exactly. I don't think it's a like for like comparison between us and clubs like Swansea and Southampton.
For Southampton they could easily find land in rundown areas of the city and spent getting on for £40 million on building a stadium. They went into admin, got docked 10 points and basically wrote off the best part of £20 million in debt and were incredibly close to going under completely. That's not to say they haven't done incredibly well since then, but they were in Division 1 when the investment came in and that's a heck of a lot cheaper to put in place binging in players in that division than in the Prem.
As for Swansea I'm pretty sure we'd all be happy if Ealing council came a long a built a £50 million stadium for us and then leased it to us for 150 years for next to nothing. Makes it a hell of a lot easier to invest in players etc if you've not splashed out for a new stadium.
In the end Fernandes has really been stuck between a rock and a hard place as he bought us at completely the wrong time. Just promoted to the Prem, completely over-inflated value of the club and no investment in the squad. He had a choice to either invest in the squad and hope to stay up, or not do anything and see us relegated. I guess the thinking was that if we stay up for 2 or 3 seasons we start raking in the Sly money and invest in the infrastructure. Obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I didn't hear too many people complaining at the time.
The infrastructure question is an interesting one. What were Fernandes options? There's very little land available to build new facilities in the local area so that was never going to happen quickly. And I believe he trusted Hughes and his merry men to build out the youth structure and start improving there, but we know how they screwed that one up. |  | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 10:24 - Dec 6 with 1099 views | Jamie |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 22:59 - Dec 5 by TW_R |
Exactly. I don't think it's a like for like comparison between us and clubs like Swansea and Southampton.
For Southampton they could easily find land in rundown areas of the city and spent getting on for £40 million on building a stadium. They went into admin, got docked 10 points and basically wrote off the best part of £20 million in debt and were incredibly close to going under completely. That's not to say they haven't done incredibly well since then, but they were in Division 1 when the investment came in and that's a heck of a lot cheaper to put in place binging in players in that division than in the Prem.
As for Swansea I'm pretty sure we'd all be happy if Ealing council came a long a built a £50 million stadium for us and then leased it to us for 150 years for next to nothing. Makes it a hell of a lot easier to invest in players etc if you've not splashed out for a new stadium.
In the end Fernandes has really been stuck between a rock and a hard place as he bought us at completely the wrong time. Just promoted to the Prem, completely over-inflated value of the club and no investment in the squad. He had a choice to either invest in the squad and hope to stay up, or not do anything and see us relegated. I guess the thinking was that if we stay up for 2 or 3 seasons we start raking in the Sly money and invest in the infrastructure. Obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I didn't hear too many people complaining at the time.
The infrastructure question is an interesting one. What were Fernandes options? There's very little land available to build new facilities in the local area so that was never going to happen quickly. And I believe he trusted Hughes and his merry men to build out the youth structure and start improving there, but we know how they screwed that one up. |
There was a third option for the owners when they took over to be fair. Invest sensibly in the squad, trust your manager, clear any outstanding debts, bank the Sky money and be comfortable should you be relegated.
Ie, the option Norwich took, who coincidentally came up below us, stayed up longer than us and announced a few weeks ago that they had no debts, large cash reserves and are well set for a quick return to the PL. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 10:55 - Dec 6 with 1074 views | parker64 |
I sometimes wonder if TF thinks he backed the wrong horse in Rangers. Okay, it's in London which is obviously good for business but look at all the problems and costs involved regarding land/planning permission. Those in charge at West Ham must be chuckling. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 11:11 - Dec 6 with 1061 views | TacticalR |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 10:55 - Dec 6 by parker64 |
I sometimes wonder if TF thinks he backed the wrong horse in Rangers. Okay, it's in London which is obviously good for business but look at all the problems and costs involved regarding land/planning permission. Those in charge at West Ham must be chuckling. |
For some reason his approach of asking the owners to give him West Ham for nothing did not go down particularly well in East London. |  |
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| Tony Fernandes out. on 20:55 - Dec 6 with 982 views | Match82 |
| Tony Fernandes out. on 23:47 - Dec 2 by Brightonhoop |
Never knocked TF once ever. Not once. But fck me is one shyte Chairman to stand by with 0 points away and 11 at home with a manager that relegated us previously having employed him to replace Mark Hughes. Nobody else did that.
He can fark orf as far as I am concerned. Barton Utd, Swansea, Man Utd, Spurs, nothing will change until TF and Redknapp are gone.
We are down. 2/12/2014. |
We are not in the relegation zone .6/12/2014.
Funny how things change. Or maybe it's just fcking ridiculous to make a statement like this with over half of the season still to go. |  | | |
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