| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 10:05 - Feb 3 with 853 views | onehunglow |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 09:43 - Feb 3 by Baptist |
William The Conqueror ?
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Happy new year J
Ya bugger |  |
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| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 10:37 - Feb 3 with 828 views | Baptist |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 10:05 - Feb 3 by onehunglow |
Happy new year J
Ya bugger |
Back at you Rich.
Nothing happy about it so far - what the hell happened last weekend ? The Eggers fail to score a single point and then the Swans carry on just as they were by being beaten at home by a team barely less shed than they are..
Feels almost like we're back in the Cusack days.. FFS mun... [Post edited 3 Feb 10:38]
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| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 08:08 - Feb 10 with 690 views | majorraglan |
Hopefully the recent January crack down on illegal migration and working will start to pay dividends. It appears Border Force have had their busiest January ever and enforcement activities are up 73% on last year. Some positive news, but there’s scope for a lot more to be done.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv153ydm6o | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 09:15 - Feb 10 with 657 views | Boundy |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 08:08 - Feb 10 by majorraglan |
Hopefully the recent January crack down on illegal migration and working will start to pay dividends. It appears Border Force have had their busiest January ever and enforcement activities are up 73% on last year. Some positive news, but there’s scope for a lot more to be done.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv153ydm6o |
Hopefully the government has started to make inroads into a national problem , 800 is a start but just a fraction of what's required. | |
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| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 09:18 - Feb 10 with 658 views | AnotherJohn |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 08:08 - Feb 10 by majorraglan |
Hopefully the recent January crack down on illegal migration and working will start to pay dividends. It appears Border Force have had their busiest January ever and enforcement activities are up 73% on last year. Some positive news, but there’s scope for a lot more to be done.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1lv153ydm6o |
Good news as far as it goes. Ir is worth noting though that within the 16.4K figure for deportations being mentioned in the press for the 6 months to January 2025, only a minority are enforced returns. This is the breakdown from a Government website.
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"Between 5 July 2024 and 4 January 2025, a total of 16,400 returns were recorded (including both enforced and voluntary returns).
Of which, there were 4,390 enforced returns of people with no legal right to remain in the UK. This compares with 3,530 enforced returns over the same period 12 months prior, an increase of 24%.
Of the total returns since 5 July 2024, 2,580 were of foreign national offenders (FNOs), this is an increase of 23% compared to 2,090 FNO returns in the same period 12 months prior (FNO returns include both enforced and voluntary returns).
Within the FNO returns, there have been 1,400 early removal scheme (ERS) returns, which is a 31% increase compared to 1,070 in the same period in 2023.
From 5 July 2024 to 4 January 2025 there have been 34 charter flights for returns to countries in Africa, Asia, Europe and South America, 3 more than in the same period 12 months prior (31)."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/returns-from-the-uk-and-illegal-worki
Edit. The first link below clarifies how far the categories overlap. Basically more than 12K were voluntary returns. These can qualify for a free flight and up to £3,000 to aid resettlement in the origin country. (2nd link below)
https://fullfact.org/immigration/asylum-seeker-returns-express/
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/voluntary-return-to-your-home-country [Post edited 10 Feb 12:53]
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| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 12:57 - Feb 10 with 599 views | AnotherJohn |
I just edited my post above to mention that even the voluntary returns usually cost us money. | | | |
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| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 21:37 - Feb 10 with 512 views | majorraglan |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 09:18 - Feb 10 by AnotherJohn |
Good news as far as it goes. Ir is worth noting though that within the 16.4K figure for deportations being mentioned in the press for the 6 months to January 2025, only a minority are enforced returns. This is the breakdown from a Government website.
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"Between 5 July 2024 and 4 January 2025, a total of 16,400 returns were recorded (including both enforced and voluntary returns).
Of which, there were 4,390 enforced returns of people with no legal right to remain in the UK. This compares with 3,530 enforced returns over the same period 12 months prior, an increase of 24%.
Of the total returns since 5 July 2024, 2,580 were of foreign national offenders (FNOs), this is an increase of 23% compared to 2,090 FNO returns in the same period 12 months prior (FNO returns include both enforced and voluntary returns).
Within the FNO returns, there have been 1,400 early removal scheme (ERS) returns, which is a 31% increase compared to 1,070 in the same period in 2023.
From 5 July 2024 to 4 January 2025 there have been 34 charter flights for returns to countries in Africa, Asia, Europe and South America, 3 more than in the same period 12 months prior (31)."
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/returns-from-the-uk-and-illegal-worki
Edit. The first link below clarifies how far the categories overlap. Basically more than 12K were voluntary returns. These can qualify for a free flight and up to £3,000 to aid resettlement in the origin country. (2nd link below)
https://fullfact.org/immigration/asylum-seeker-returns-express/
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/voluntary-return-to-your-home-country [Post edited 10 Feb 12:53]
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Absolutely, it’s good news and a positive development.
As you say, based on the figures provided over 25% of those being deported are forced deportations and the figure is up 25% on the corresponding period in the previous year. That needs to be a starting point and the government need to build from there.
I’m not keen on the idea, but in some cases it may be cheaper to pay people to leave as it will save on lengthy legal proceedings and huge bills. I used a solicitor last year and his hourly rate was £250 plus vat. Extortionate!! | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 21:39 - Feb 10 with 503 views | majorraglan |
If the employers fail to pay up they should be jailed and pretty quickly. Also look at seizure of assets. | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 06:26 - Feb 11 with 451 views | Scotia |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 21:37 - Feb 10 by majorraglan |
Absolutely, it’s good news and a positive development.
As you say, based on the figures provided over 25% of those being deported are forced deportations and the figure is up 25% on the corresponding period in the previous year. That needs to be a starting point and the government need to build from there.
I’m not keen on the idea, but in some cases it may be cheaper to pay people to leave as it will save on lengthy legal proceedings and huge bills. I used a solicitor last year and his hourly rate was £250 plus vat. Extortionate!! |
The bottom line is that a lack of employment will stop illegal immigrants wanting to come here in the numbers we see at the moment in the first place. Cracking down on those working illegally and deporting failed asylum seekers will reduce immigration.
They're coming here to work because they've been unlikely to be caught and not to claim benefits or to access the NHS.
This is exactly what should have been done instead of wasting money on the Rwanda scheme. | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 08:30 - Feb 11 with 404 views | Boundy |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 21:37 - Feb 10 by majorraglan |
Absolutely, it’s good news and a positive development.
As you say, based on the figures provided over 25% of those being deported are forced deportations and the figure is up 25% on the corresponding period in the previous year. That needs to be a starting point and the government need to build from there.
I’m not keen on the idea, but in some cases it may be cheaper to pay people to leave as it will save on lengthy legal proceedings and huge bills. I used a solicitor last year and his hourly rate was £250 plus vat. Extortionate!! |
Just as an side " I used a solicitor last year and his hourly rate was £250 plus vat. Extortionate!!" you think that's expensive , I had a medical consultants' appointment recently and it cost me £230 for 15 minutes of his time ,just to tell me what I already knew | |
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| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 08:35 - Feb 11 with 402 views | AnotherJohn |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 06:26 - Feb 11 by Scotia |
The bottom line is that a lack of employment will stop illegal immigrants wanting to come here in the numbers we see at the moment in the first place. Cracking down on those working illegally and deporting failed asylum seekers will reduce immigration.
They're coming here to work because they've been unlikely to be caught and not to claim benefits or to access the NHS.
This is exactly what should have been done instead of wasting money on the Rwanda scheme. |
Currently I think about 20 cases a day are being picked up across the whole UK, whereas estimates of the number of illegal workers in the country are very high, perhaps around a million. Some are saying this won't have much impact unless ID cards are brought in. I think digital IDs may be something Labour are now considering. Personally, I don't think even that will be enough as a deterrent, because the problem is the migrants who are found to be working illegally, but whose origin countries refuse returns, or who hide their nationality. IDs may have to come, but that too will be controversial. | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 08:53 - Feb 11 with 390 views | majorraglan |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 08:30 - Feb 11 by Boundy |
Just as an side " I used a solicitor last year and his hourly rate was £250 plus vat. Extortionate!!" you think that's expensive , I had a medical consultants' appointment recently and it cost me £230 for 15 minutes of his time ,just to tell me what I already knew |
They’re in a different league, I’ve had to shell up for my son and my wife in the last 12 months and it’s eye watering. | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 09:26 - Feb 11 with 375 views | Scotia |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 08:35 - Feb 11 by AnotherJohn |
Currently I think about 20 cases a day are being picked up across the whole UK, whereas estimates of the number of illegal workers in the country are very high, perhaps around a million. Some are saying this won't have much impact unless ID cards are brought in. I think digital IDs may be something Labour are now considering. Personally, I don't think even that will be enough as a deterrent, because the problem is the migrants who are found to be working illegally, but whose origin countries refuse returns, or who hide their nationality. IDs may have to come, but that too will be controversial. |
That's why we need to remove the incentive for them to come here in the first place which is jobs in the grey economy.
Once they've got in a boat (if that's how they come here) and are away from France it's too late to return them. They're our problem.
The Border Force need to be raiding the places they work regularly and regularising easily exploitable roles such as delivery riders and Uber drivers. The Tories cut funding to the Border Force and if Reform have any power in the future the country will be bankrupt.
Things seem to be heading in the right direction. | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 12:22 - Feb 12 with 247 views | controversial_jack |
Already done more than the last govt did in 14 years | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 13:52 - Feb 12 with 218 views | Scotia |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 12:22 - Feb 12 by controversial_jack |
Already done more than the last govt did in 14 years |
Yes. Without a doubt.
A deal with Germany to tackle illegal gangs, deportation, raiding businesses employing illegals and now this.
They've done pretty well in 7 months. | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 14:00 - Feb 12 with 213 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
What does it mean though. You cannot vote or stand for election and leaving the country on holiday would be a bit risky. All free schooling and free health care remain and benefits.
In my opinion if you come on a boat illegally you take a second class citizenship with no free anything unless you works for 5 years as a taxpayer.
The right of stay had to be earned. |  |
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| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 14:19 - Feb 12 with 194 views | Scotia |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 14:00 - Feb 12 by ReslovenSwan1 |
What does it mean though. You cannot vote or stand for election and leaving the country on holiday would be a bit risky. All free schooling and free health care remain and benefits.
In my opinion if you come on a boat illegally you take a second class citizenship with no free anything unless you works for 5 years as a taxpayer.
The right of stay had to be earned. |
It means they can never be a British citizen at the moment they can after a certain number of years. It's removing another incentive.
Most of those who arrive on boats or other dangerous means aren't getting anything for free. Those that get something get very little. | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 15:01 - Feb 12 with 166 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 14:19 - Feb 12 by Scotia |
It means they can never be a British citizen at the moment they can after a certain number of years. It's removing another incentive.
Most of those who arrive on boats or other dangerous means aren't getting anything for free. Those that get something get very little. |
Presumably if you are eligible to stay in the UK indefinitely you are eligible for most things UK citizen get. | |
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| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 15:13 - Feb 12 with 148 views | AnotherJohn |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 14:19 - Feb 12 by Scotia |
It means they can never be a British citizen at the moment they can after a certain number of years. It's removing another incentive.
Most of those who arrive on boats or other dangerous means aren't getting anything for free. Those that get something get very little. |
The problem is that cash benefits received by individual migrants are much less than the cost to the tax payer arising from the presence of the migrant in the UK. Just take the example of a recent flight that returned 49 migrants to Albania,with their accompanying security guards. The total cost was estimated at around a million pounds or over £22,000 per migrant. Many opted for voluntary return opening the way for up to £3000 as a grant to aid resettlement. Of course, these were just the final expenses, because the tax payers had already shelled out for the cost of border force operations, accommodation and subsistence, pocket money, legal fees, investigation and surveillance for some who are deemed a threat, and asylum claim processing costs. So I agree that the priority is to discourage such people from coming here in the first place. We do need to take away the carrot of illegal work and any benefits/services illegal migrants do manage to get. However, I still think we need an additional deterrent to disincentivize illegal migrants from countries that won't accept returns. | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 18:57 - Feb 12 with 105 views | majorraglan |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 15:13 - Feb 12 by AnotherJohn |
The problem is that cash benefits received by individual migrants are much less than the cost to the tax payer arising from the presence of the migrant in the UK. Just take the example of a recent flight that returned 49 migrants to Albania,with their accompanying security guards. The total cost was estimated at around a million pounds or over £22,000 per migrant. Many opted for voluntary return opening the way for up to £3000 as a grant to aid resettlement. Of course, these were just the final expenses, because the tax payers had already shelled out for the cost of border force operations, accommodation and subsistence, pocket money, legal fees, investigation and surveillance for some who are deemed a threat, and asylum claim processing costs. So I agree that the priority is to discourage such people from coming here in the first place. We do need to take away the carrot of illegal work and any benefits/services illegal migrants do manage to get. However, I still think we need an additional deterrent to disincentivize illegal migrants from countries that won't accept returns. |
If we had a stronger economy and more power, we could do what Trump did to the Columbians and imposing penalties on the State. | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 19:12 - Feb 12 with 99 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 21:18 - Jan 22 by Dr_Winston |
I am fairly confident that the current gap between rich and poor is significantly smaller than it was when, say, William the Conqueror was worth the equivalent of £230bn and the local serfs were shitting into their local streams, or perhaps during the Victorian era when 10 year olds were being sent up chimneys for a living.
This nonsense is easy enough to say on social media and there's plenty of people out there who will believe it, but in reality it doesn't stand up to more than about 20/30 seconds of actual investigation. |
I am fairly confident that somebody on minimum wage struggling to pay their bills will look at the likes of Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos and not give a rats about the 11th Century wealth gap.
Besides Musk is worth approx 314 billion in Sterling as against Bill the Bastards 173 billion so yes, the gap is a tad different.
From another perspective, the wealth gap back in the dark ages, feudalism...how is that a fair comparison to the "enlightened" modern world? A world where we have apprently learned very little even though we know a whole lot more. | | | |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 19:54 - Feb 12 with 83 views | Gwyn737 |
| Why is it so hard getting immigration numbers down? on 13:52 - Feb 12 by Scotia |
Yes. Without a doubt.
A deal with Germany to tackle illegal gangs, deportation, raiding businesses employing illegals and now this.
They've done pretty well in 7 months. |
Trouble is, Labour’s communications are so poor at the moment, they struggle to put even these type of good news stories. It’s a real mess.
Stuff like this should be trumpeted as the Tories can’t clap back as their record is so poor. | | | |
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