| January Transfer Thread 13:27 - Dec 23 with 97971 views | KeithHaynes |
Done some asking and Oli McBurnie is most certainly up for a loan back to the UK this window. I’ve been told four Championship clubs are interested. This will all fall on the fee’s involved plus he is on in the region of €36,000 a week. Big numbers but we know how these things can be negotiated.
Do we have the money ?
Yes.
P&S will need to be positive and only the club really know where we are with that at this moment in time, It won’t be massively healthy. Oli has played fourteen games for Las Palmas this season with no return. He has never been a prolific striker, but could he settle into Luke’s team ? |  |
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| January Transfer Thread on 17:02 - Jan 14 with 3974 views | Dr_Winston |
| January Transfer Thread on 16:54 - Jan 14 by PawelAbbott |
If the game is going quicker than he thought then just hoof it.
His nain job is preventing goals against. Just whack it down the pitch if in doubt |
And if the manager has specifically told you not to?
Chucking a keeper lacking in recent game time in to play behind two right backs filling in at CB was just the latest in stupid tactical and personnel decisions made by Williams. LV should have played if we were that sparse at the back. |  |
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| January Transfer Thread on 17:03 - Jan 14 with 3963 views | onehunglow |
| January Transfer Thread on 17:02 - Jan 14 by Dr_Winston |
And if the manager has specifically told you not to?
Chucking a keeper lacking in recent game time in to play behind two right backs filling in at CB was just the latest in stupid tactical and personnel decisions made by Williams. LV should have played if we were that sparse at the back. |
You’re correct . It was utter folly
That said ,McG is not a callow kid starting out.
He’s a seasoned pro ,one who should have the balls to stand up to this excuse for a coach . |  |
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| January Transfer Thread on 17:20 - Jan 14 with 3868 views | Dr_Winston |
| January Transfer Thread on 17:03 - Jan 14 by onehunglow |
You’re correct . It was utter folly
That said ,McG is not a callow kid starting out.
He’s a seasoned pro ,one who should have the balls to stand up to this excuse for a coach . |
Yes, you keep saying that players should stand up to coaches. You're also fond of criticising players for alleged attitude problems.
Can't do both. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| January Transfer Thread on 17:27 - Jan 14 with 3840 views | PawelAbbott |
| January Transfer Thread on 17:02 - Jan 14 by Dr_Winston |
And if the manager has specifically told you not to?
Chucking a keeper lacking in recent game time in to play behind two right backs filling in at CB was just the latest in stupid tactical and personnel decisions made by Williams. LV should have played if we were that sparse at the back. |
Even if the manager has directed you to keep possession then anyone in their right mind would be pragmatic enough to realise that if you've taken a bad first touch, then the number one priority is safety.
If the coaching is saying to pass short no matter what, then they really do need replacing as the players at their disposal do not suit their style | | | |
| January Transfer Thread on 18:00 - Jan 14 with 3655 views | Dr_Winston |
| January Transfer Thread on 17:27 - Jan 14 by PawelAbbott |
Even if the manager has directed you to keep possession then anyone in their right mind would be pragmatic enough to realise that if you've taken a bad first touch, then the number one priority is safety.
If the coaching is saying to pass short no matter what, then they really do need replacing as the players at their disposal do not suit their style |
For sure you'd expect a pro to have the sense to just lose the ball if in trouble, but we are also dealing with someone giving orders who comes from the Russell Martin coaching tree.
FWIW I believe that he was mostly just rusty. We asked him to do most of the same things that we do for Vig and he wasn't game sharp enough on the distribution side.
The first goal we conceded I'd put down to a lack of matches with those in front of him. Vig will have an understanding of what Darling and Cabango will do. They will have an understanding of what each other and Vig will do. None of Naughton, Christie or McLaughlin looked comfortable playing alongside each other which was only to be expected.
There's no substitute for actual game time. Both individually and as part of a team together. That's also been part of our problem going forward this season with the amount of chopping and changing we've done. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| January Transfer Thread on 18:13 - Jan 14 with 3616 views | EagleEye |
| January Transfer Thread on 15:13 - Jan 14 by union_jack |
I very much doubt it was done as quickly as that. He would have been sounded out well before Edwards was fired. |
Quite possible UJ. I suppose the point I am making is that it took us over a month to get to the same position to announce LW |  | | |
| January Transfer Thread on 18:55 - Jan 14 with 3470 views | johnlangy |
| January Transfer Thread on 16:47 - Jan 14 by onehunglow |
I’m not easy T,and can still be very volatile even at 75,yrs of age ,which I am of today. Not one happy birthday wish from anyone on this site when on t other site I won the Lunt of the Year award ,hands down . I have been a bit of a xxxx at times in my life but I’m still around anyway although I don’t understand how.
Anyway,yeah,I can’t understand well paid football professionals not standing up to utter jerks like Lukey and tell him they ain’t having it
I am well informed Steve Gerrard game Hooulier a tough time before Gerrard had a heart attack over his training methods and selections .
THAT is a club captain.
Same applies with the utterly obnoxious but brilliant captain that was John Terry ,a proud club man who saw the club greater than any coach and cared about performances .
Imagine us having a captain like that |
Well penblwydd hapus to you ohl. Have a good one. | | | |
| January Transfer Thread on 19:11 - Jan 14 with 3388 views | guthrieintherain |
| January Transfer Thread on 17:20 - Jan 14 by Dr_Winston |
Yes, you keep saying that players should stand up to coaches. You're also fond of criticising players for alleged attitude problems.
Can't do both. |
Yes it's nonsense if a player tells a manager how to do his job the player will be frozen out. | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 20:39 - Jan 14 with 3187 views | guthrieintherain |
| January Transfer Thread on 17:20 - Jan 14 by Dr_Winston |
Yes, you keep saying that players should stand up to coaches. You're also fond of criticising players for alleged attitude problems.
Can't do both. |
Yes it's nonsense if a player tells a manager how to do his job the player will be frozen out. | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 20:58 - Jan 14 with 3127 views | AnotherJohn |
| January Transfer Thread on 20:39 - Jan 14 by guthrieintherain |
Yes it's nonsense if a player tells a manager how to do his job the player will be frozen out. |
Perhaps we would be in a better place now if Monk had been frozen out following his shenanigans with Laudrup. | | | |
| January Transfer Thread on 21:07 - Jan 14 with 3082 views | Dr_Winston |
| January Transfer Thread on 20:58 - Jan 14 by AnotherJohn |
Perhaps we would be in a better place now if Monk had been frozen out following his shenanigans with Laudrup. |
Sadly Monk had wormed his way into Jenkins' good graces, and what with the Tutumlu situation on top we kept the wrong one. Gazza purging many of the Spaniards or those Laudrup favoured (like De Guzman) when he got his feet under the table definitely didn't help our style from then on. | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 21:21 - Jan 14 with 3029 views | KeithHaynes |
| January Transfer Thread on 20:58 - Jan 14 by AnotherJohn |
Perhaps we would be in a better place now if Monk had been frozen out following his shenanigans with Laudrup. |
Wasn’t just him at the start of Laudrups reign. Him and three others running to Huw saying Laudrup didn’t know what he was doing 😂 Clowns.
Chico saw Monk off tho 😂 | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 21:30 - Jan 14 with 2965 views | Dr_Winston |
Monk's "autobiography" is an interesting read if you want an insight into his character. He comes across as full of himself, thin skinned and able to carry ten times his body weight in grudges. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| January Transfer Thread on 21:38 - Jan 14 with 2935 views | KeithHaynes |
| January Transfer Thread on 21:30 - Jan 14 by Dr_Winston |
Monk's "autobiography" is an interesting read if you want an insight into his character. He comes across as full of himself, thin skinned and able to carry ten times his body weight in grudges. |
Not Including a certain other | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 23:33 - Jan 14 with 2676 views | RichardO |
| January Transfer Thread on 18:00 - Jan 14 by Dr_Winston |
For sure you'd expect a pro to have the sense to just lose the ball if in trouble, but we are also dealing with someone giving orders who comes from the Russell Martin coaching tree.
FWIW I believe that he was mostly just rusty. We asked him to do most of the same things that we do for Vig and he wasn't game sharp enough on the distribution side.
The first goal we conceded I'd put down to a lack of matches with those in front of him. Vig will have an understanding of what Darling and Cabango will do. They will have an understanding of what each other and Vig will do. None of Naughton, Christie or McLaughlin looked comfortable playing alongside each other which was only to be expected.
There's no substitute for actual game time. Both individually and as part of a team together. That's also been part of our problem going forward this season with the amount of chopping and changing we've done. |
Al ot of the chopping and changing further up the pitch has been due to injuries to Eom and Cooper and while also trying to.intergrate new players into the team, the back four had been settled for quite some time before Canango and Darling's issues, Franco is one player who we have seen a decline when missing and yet he is raw to Championship football but is easier up to the standard needed, Grimes is Captian and seemingly will be first choice for some time and yet he has flaws that many teams have been able to take advantage of. Seen lots of players try the cynical foul bUt don't think many have completed or failed to completed even for the want of trying as Grimes,to make up for others failings or his own?
So.we have to look at that third player that we need in midfield to accommodate Grimes, Steve Cooper tried quite a few to go with Grimes and Fulton but ended up with Hourihane.
Fast forward passed, Martin and Duff and we had Ollie Cooper passable work rate which helped keep our defensive side tight but lacking in creativity but featured in wins for both William's and Bellamy even scoring but with Cullen up top didn't work maybe now it would with Bianchini or Vipotnik , Cooper injured now Cullen is the new 3rd midfielder, goals for have come but so have goals against, is it Cullen's fault or is it a case he is not defensively astute to make up for deficiencies in the middle.
The chopping and changing of our fullback converting to middle of the pitch to try and make up for the deficiencies just leave us exposed down the wingers. So now we have the centre of our defensive issue against Southampton chopped and changed understandable in a way but with the amount problems being created by the opposition seemed far more than was expected but we have seen it before.against Wycombe, Portsmouth and.......
The spine of the team is weak even more so missing Cabango and Darling and needs more able players than the likes of Grimes, Fulton, and aged players the likes of Allen, Naughton, Christie, Pedersen need to be replaced next season with more dynamic younger versions who we know won't be as experienced but in the end will offer a lot more than they can but the new players need to be introduced now in positions they can play in while the experienced older players are there to help them but not to stifle them.
If the xfer market is unavailable to us because of FFP then youth has to be given it's head in the middle of the park because it is just not good enough. | | | |
| January Transfer Thread on 07:10 - Jan 15 with 2387 views | Dr_Winston |
Yep. All of which makes it borderline unbelievable that one of the few credible midfield youth products that we have has spent most of the season being slagged off for not being a winger. Or that barely anyone else from the u21's has had even had a sniff of the bench.
This is another reason why I find the excuse for Williams that his squad is weak to be a poor one. Yes there are certain areas that need beefing up, but he's left plenty of stones unturned in his efforts to get the best out of it.
Again that's a repeat of what we saw from his mentor. Repeated failure to play players in the right positions, give youth a decent chance and perhaps employ tactical systems intended to get the best out of what he has available whilst his defenders whine that his squad isn't good enough and he needs to be backed. | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 08:41 - Jan 15 with 2262 views | RichardO |
It has previously been mentioned about Key moving into the midfield as the third midfielder would he be someone who could be the box to box player needed but that would mean a full back would be needed.Short term solution Christie brought in but hasn't been used there except as a sub in that position , Abdulai has been used at fullback I think and did relatively well with Parker in front of him he looked comfortable going forward but didn't get ball out to the winger quick enough but that is down to the coach asking as he has of Key and Naughton instead of letting a quick pass do the work driving forward with the ball ending in a Cul De Sac we have seen similar with Tymon, Cooper and Darling on the left not releasing the ball earlier after going past and initially beating players then at a loss as to what to do and getting caught on the ball. This would mean shoehorning both Key and Abdulai in different positions and like Key, Abdulai looks suspect under the high long ball.
Against Southampton Pearl-Harris was used as that third midfielder instead of Abdulai why, unless he was considered a better option than Abdulai in what was deemed Abdulai better position? But that didn't work but why lack of energy off Pearl-Harris maybe but given the poor high press as Grimes didn't back it up sitting so deep because of his fear of the weak defence being overrun, we ended up being played through and overrun in the midfield instead. The same thing has happened before lots of times the most noteable the second half against Cardiff, their midfield dropped deeper to recieve the ball and they kept their wing outlets wide and we didn't mark those wingers properly meaning they did to us exactly what we did to them in the first half.
For me if you are going to do the press everyone in the team has to do it, if that means big centrehalves or slow aged ones are going to play high then the likes of the fullbacks must there to cover the middle of defence and the midfield has to be able to be box to box players, the other alternative is not to fully commit to the high press and all defend deep making the midfield hard to play through.
At the moment we seem unable to do either properly, players unwilling to do what is asked of them or incapable of trying to do both at the same time meaning the coach is not picking a team to suit what he is asking of them.
If you are going to pick Grimes in your midfield set up you have to keep the midfield secure with players who can do the box to box stuff for him as he cannot do it and teams know it and target the midfield as one of our main weaknesses. | | | |
| January Transfer Thread on 09:19 - Jan 15 with 2154 views | onehunglow |
| January Transfer Thread on 17:20 - Jan 14 by Dr_Winston |
Yes, you keep saying that players should stand up to coaches. You're also fond of criticising players for alleged attitude problems.
Can't do both. |
Yes ,you can
Captain Grimes is club captain and represents the players .
He is here long term too | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 09:51 - Jan 15 with 2062 views | Dr_Winston |
| January Transfer Thread on 09:19 - Jan 15 by onehunglow |
Yes ,you can
Captain Grimes is club captain and represents the players .
He is here long term too |
What part of that is an explanation of how you can mentally square the circle of being in favour of both players refusing to do what the manager tells them and criticising players alleged to have attitude problems? | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 09:54 - Jan 15 with 2045 views | onehunglow |
| January Transfer Thread on 09:51 - Jan 15 by Dr_Winston |
What part of that is an explanation of how you can mentally square the circle of being in favour of both players refusing to do what the manager tells them and criticising players alleged to have attitude problems? |
I have a chance to engage with you in a respectful manner or not
I try again.
Are you genuinely telling me our players,led by our captain ,one yiu do not rate yourself ,are to be led by the nose into every game without a dissenting voice anywhere .
Are you further suggesting players simply do as they are told even if they are not comfortable with what they are instructed to do.
Is Williams that intimidating
Try a decent reply | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 10:40 - Jan 15 with 1917 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| January Transfer Thread on 21:21 - Jan 14 by KeithHaynes |
Wasn’t just him at the start of Laudrups reign. Him and three others running to Huw saying Laudrup didn’t know what he was doing 😂 Clowns.
Chico saw Monk off tho 😂 |
Laudrup is like Turkish bread. Wonderful for a period but no shelf life. What a great first season though. De Guzman was a bottle carrier always on the move collecting on the move and delivering on the move to similarly mobile Dyer Routledge and Hernandez.
I am not football expert but it seems to me Swansea still pass but have no runners and pass from on static player to another static player. Movement creates space and Williams s team does not run very much.
Abdullai is the closest thing to De Guzman and is out of the picture.
Cardiff city have improved significantly over the last three weeks. Swans are in for a tough examination. |  |
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| January Transfer Thread on 10:58 - Jan 15 with 1873 views | Boundy |
| January Transfer Thread on 17:02 - Jan 14 by Dr_Winston |
And if the manager has specifically told you not to?
Chucking a keeper lacking in recent game time in to play behind two right backs filling in at CB was just the latest in stupid tactical and personnel decisions made by Williams. LV should have played if we were that sparse at the back. |
Absolute madness if that's what he was told/made to do but I'd be surprised if that wasn't the way he trains normally , the CB pairing v Southampton was a forced change and maybe just maybe the keeper felt comfortable enough to continue to play out of the back but if it was me and my first error it would have lets have it at each opportunity , certainly after watching how their front runners ripped us a new one. | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 11:04 - Jan 15 with 1840 views | AnotherJohn |
| January Transfer Thread on 14:55 - Jan 14 by union_jack |
I’ve got a lot of empathy with McLaughlin to be fair. He’s had absolutely no game time whatsoever and then thrown in trying to play the way we do.
To be a professional keeper will suggest he has far more ability than portrayed Sunday and that rustiness, nerves and style played a huge part in his performance. It’s a spotlight position, make a mistake and it’s noticed usually because it results in a goal. He needs game time but that opportunity isn’t really available to him. |
Yes, I thought that. I don't deny that McLaughlin's display was awful, but the problems centred on poor distribution and an error of judgement when he thought he could reach a through ball. His shot stopping was actually okay. As I said on another thread I wonder if the problem is the lack of realistic games as opposed to training sessions. I don't think he had played a competitive game since his arrival in Swansea. | | | |
| January Transfer Thread on 13:23 - Jan 15 with 1504 views | onehunglow |
| January Transfer Thread on 20:39 - Jan 14 by guthrieintherain |
Yes it's nonsense if a player tells a manager how to do his job the player will be frozen out. |
Well,he can’t freeze a whole squad .
It’s why our players should unite behind the club captain and there is our problem . | |
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| January Transfer Thread on 13:30 - Jan 15 with 1477 views | Landore_Jack |
Swansea City transfer bulletin as club consider player swap in bid to land Joe Low deal
Swansea City are considering a player swap in order to tempt Wycombe Wanderers into sanctioning an exit for top target Joe Low.
The centre-back is at the top of Swansea's January wishlist, and has already been the subject of two bids in recent weeks. However, the Swans have not yet been able to find a breakthrough in negotiations.
Source: WOL [Post edited 15 Jan 13:31]
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