| EU Referendum 19:21 - Jan 23 with 3123 views | derbyhoop |
After this morning's speech:-
Cameron did not spell out what powers he would like to see the UK take back as part of a new settlement, or what would happen if the negotiations did not go his way.
What powers should we try to bring back to the UK? |  |
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| EU Referendum on 21:37 - Jan 23 with 720 views | baz_qpr |
| EU Referendum on 21:28 - Jan 23 by derbyhoop |
Norway has implemented 75-80% of EU regulations in order to obtain preferential trading status. Their ability to influence those laws is ZERO.
Approx 50% of our export trade is with the other EU countries. About 5m people depend on EU exports. If we pull out, I would conservatively estimate that 5% of that trade would be ended within 3 years. Translated into loss of employment that would add 250,000 to the jobless total. A price worth paying? |
Seriously they are not going to let us come out and be treated like one of the countries that never went in in the first place. The EU cannot be seen to allow Cameron to either dictate terms in this way nor allow countries to go for some free trade light and then under cut on wages or employment rights.
Cameron is an idiot if had waited and let the financial crisis run its course with the euro countries coming closer together, we would have got this two speed Europe and far more concessions. Going all megaphone for internal party reasons and to get re-elected means its less likely he'll get any concessions and more likely we will leave on bad terms |  | | |
| EU Referendum on 21:41 - Jan 23 with 714 views | essextaxiboy |
| EU Referendum on 20:51 - Jan 23 by sexton |
Nothing to do with the EU. |
The act sets in law the European Convention on Human rights .
We can write our own Bill of Rights that suits us as a mature democracy which we can vote on . |  | | |
| EU Referendum on 21:46 - Jan 23 with 711 views | sexton |
| EU Referendum on 21:41 - Jan 23 by essextaxiboy |
The act sets in law the European Convention on Human rights .
We can write our own Bill of Rights that suits us as a mature democracy which we can vote on . |
Indeed. There is a widespread misunderstanding that every European institution is a body of the EU.
UEFA isn't, and neither is the Eurovision Song Contest. |  | | |
| EU Referendum on 21:54 - Jan 23 with 702 views | essextaxiboy |
I think Cameron has played a blinder, He knows that Europe is the Tory self destruct button so he has put a patch on that until he gets re elected . UKIP are enjoying popularity and always wanted a referendum , the way to get one is to back off and give the Torys a clear run .
Labour have backed themselves into a corner on it and the Libs have blown up in a spray of lentils .
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| EU Referendum on 21:56 - Jan 23 with 700 views | Toast_R |
| EU Referendum on 21:46 - Jan 23 by sexton |
Indeed. There is a widespread misunderstanding that every European institution is a body of the EU.
UEFA isn't, and neither is the Eurovision Song Contest. |
That's a ridiculous comparison, Eurovision are far more professional. |  | | |
| EU Referendum on 21:57 - Jan 23 with 697 views | CiderwithRsie |
| EU Referendum on 21:28 - Jan 23 by derbyhoop |
Norway has implemented 75-80% of EU regulations in order to obtain preferential trading status. Their ability to influence those laws is ZERO.
Approx 50% of our export trade is with the other EU countries. About 5m people depend on EU exports. If we pull out, I would conservatively estimate that 5% of that trade would be ended within 3 years. Translated into loss of employment that would add 250,000 to the jobless total. A price worth paying? |
This is true. Switzerland is slightly different but essentially the same point - Switzerland implements Schengen, for example, which we don't.
There's a wider point. Our armed forces are in NATO i.e. largely under US control. Our soldiers are dying in Afghanistan, rightly or wrongly, because it suits US foreign policy. Our currency fluctuates according to the fortunes of the US dollar and the Euro. Our economy depends on exports mostly to the EU, so in or out we will have to comply with EU standards. Maybe in the future it will be China, India or Brazil - so what, same difference except we won't get a vote. Our financial companies have to comply with US legislation e.g. on trading with Iran. The last Bond film was altered to avoid offending China. We are subject to the rulings of the World Trade Organization. We struggle to get multi-national companies to bother to pay Corporation Tax - which, like it or not, was passed into law by our Parliament - because if we try to make them pay they'll take their toys elsewhere.
This sovereignty that people want back from the EU - it doesn't exist and hasn't since 1939. The only way to get it back is to be so big, rich and powerful that China, the US, the EU and NewsCorp are frightened of us, not the other way round. It ain't happening.
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| EU Referendum on 21:58 - Jan 23 with 691 views | HollowayRanger |
dont matter now damage is done im outnumbered in my own capital city and will only get much worse judgeing by the schools |  |
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| EU Referendum on 22:00 - Jan 23 with 691 views | CiderwithRsie |
| EU Referendum on 21:41 - Jan 23 by essextaxiboy |
The act sets in law the European Convention on Human rights .
We can write our own Bill of Rights that suits us as a mature democracy which we can vote on . |
Incidentally, we pretty much did write the European Convention on Human Rights, shortly after WW2. On the entirely reasonable grounds that we knew a sight more about it than the people who supported Hitler and Mussolini.
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| EU Referendum on 22:06 - Jan 23 with 686 views | THEBUSH |
| EU Referendum on 21:58 - Jan 23 by HollowayRanger |
dont matter now damage is done im outnumbered in my own capital city and will only get much worse judgeing by the schools |
It's happening all over Europe, the World has changed big time and that's the way it's gonna stay.
By pulling out of Europe, don't mean our City's will look any different !! |  | | |
| EU Referendum on 22:08 - Jan 23 with 680 views | sexton |
| EU Referendum on 22:06 - Jan 23 by THEBUSH |
It's happening all over Europe, the World has changed big time and that's the way it's gonna stay.
By pulling out of Europe, don't mean our City's will look any different !! |
Doesn't mean our gangsters will be coming home from the Costa Brava! | | | |
| EU Referendum on 22:34 - Jan 23 with 663 views | zicoshoops |
Maybe it's me, but hasn't he just committed political suicide?
We can all vote on whether we want to stay in or leave, but we can't vote on that question unless we vote him back in at the next General Election?.........Er, yeah alright then.
Oh well, desperate times need desperate measures I suppose.
Didn't we have this vote before once, 1975 I think it was.....I voted for something then, can't remember what it was though.
The way forward must lay in a three tier EU. | | | |
| EU Referendum on 22:48 - Jan 23 with 647 views | essextaxiboy |
| EU Referendum on 22:34 - Jan 23 by zicoshoops |
Maybe it's me, but hasn't he just committed political suicide?
We can all vote on whether we want to stay in or leave, but we can't vote on that question unless we vote him back in at the next General Election?.........Er, yeah alright then.
Oh well, desperate times need desperate measures I suppose.
Didn't we have this vote before once, 1975 I think it was.....I voted for something then, can't remember what it was though.
The way forward must lay in a three tier EU. |
How? He probably sees Ukip.as the third party in an election and he just popped their balloon.. they will never win to force a referendum so have to back off in the marginals . | | | |
| EU Referendum on 22:49 - Jan 23 with 642 views | QPR_John |
| EU Referendum on 22:34 - Jan 23 by zicoshoops |
Maybe it's me, but hasn't he just committed political suicide?
We can all vote on whether we want to stay in or leave, but we can't vote on that question unless we vote him back in at the next General Election?.........Er, yeah alright then.
Oh well, desperate times need desperate measures I suppose.
Didn't we have this vote before once, 1975 I think it was.....I voted for something then, can't remember what it was though.
The way forward must lay in a three tier EU. |
"Didn't we have this vote before once, 1975 I think it was.....I voted for something then, can't remember what it was though. "
Something to do with Europe but nothing to do with the current EU
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| EU Referendum on 22:49 - Jan 23 with 641 views | CiderwithRsie |
| EU Referendum on 21:34 - Jan 23 by TGRRRSSS |
My sis works for Grain Corp in Aus a Yank company trying to take over them as well. |
Sorry Tgrrrss wasn't meaning to doubt what you say. I expect they are trying to hoover up the last competitors.
Its estimated that 75-90% of all grain is already controlled by ADM, Bunge, Cargill or Dreyfus. No-one knows for sure because Cargill and Dreyfus are privately owned. Bunge is European in origin but they're all multinationals.
Its sort of part of my point about sovereignty. Just 4 companies owning virtually all the food in the world. How much power does the UK, or even the EU, have against them? | | | |
| EU Referendum on 22:53 - Jan 23 with 634 views | TGRRRSSS |
| EU Referendum on 22:49 - Jan 23 by CiderwithRsie |
Sorry Tgrrrss wasn't meaning to doubt what you say. I expect they are trying to hoover up the last competitors.
Its estimated that 75-90% of all grain is already controlled by ADM, Bunge, Cargill or Dreyfus. No-one knows for sure because Cargill and Dreyfus are privately owned. Bunge is European in origin but they're all multinationals.
Its sort of part of my point about sovereignty. Just 4 companies owning virtually all the food in the world. How much power does the UK, or even the EU, have against them? |
No worries mate not I was just saying a bit about what little I know, but it's frightening when you think about it food and water will I beleive become very big political footballs in the future I think, and as you say the fact 4 companies own so much suggests major troubles to come.
There's a Celeb thing atm with Save the Children about ending world hunger, which made me laugh do these people have a fckng clue.
The last thing the powers that be want is an end to these things surely the less competition there is the higher the prices can be pushed beyond the reach of many of the very poorest and that "very poorest" will probably increase in number around the world as a rich elite gets slightly bigger in certain countires like China, and India etc. |  | | |
| EU Referendum on 23:38 - Jan 23 with 617 views | THEBUSH |
| EU Referendum on 22:08 - Jan 23 by sexton |
Doesn't mean our gangsters will be coming home from the Costa Brava! |
Actually, they might have too, their UK passport will be useless, if we pull out !!
Then again, they probably have false passports anyway, crooks will be crooks.
Some people just don't live by those pesky EU rules, whatever next !! | | | |
| EU Referendum on 07:47 - Jan 24 with 582 views | zicoshoops |
In 1973 we joined the EU (Common Market) under Ted Heath.
In 1974 the Labour Party General Election Manifesto said that if they won the General Election, they would hold a Referendum over EU membership.
At the time it was the Conservative Party that were in favour of our membership, with a large section of the Labour Party against.
Labour won the 1974 General Election under Harold Wilson.
In June 1975 a Referendum was held.
The question was....
'Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community?' (Common Market)
67% of those who voted, voted yes.
In 68 administrative counties, only Shetland and The Western Isles voted no.
Right then, down to the serious business.
A three tier EU membership.
If we consider the EU, the principles are not unlike those of the Mafia.
As in, the money flows up, (Northern Countries)
The shit flows down. (Southern Countries)
Let's sprinkle in a few North African Countries. (Giving them a 'drink' should sort out any unrest, as money talks)
Tier Three:
North African Countries, Turkey, and all the Southern and East European Countries.
Tier Two:
Germany, France, and the Northern European Countries.
Tier One:
Just the one member........The UK.
We would of course take our instructions from 'The Don of Dons,' The USA, then past these instructions down the food chain.
Result?................Everybody's happy.
P.S.
Swap the USA for China in about 25 years.
P.P.S.
I love it when a plan comes together.
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| EU Referendum on 09:15 - Jan 24 with 559 views | sevenhoop |
| EU Referendum on 21:28 - Jan 23 by derbyhoop |
Norway has implemented 75-80% of EU regulations in order to obtain preferential trading status. Their ability to influence those laws is ZERO.
Approx 50% of our export trade is with the other EU countries. About 5m people depend on EU exports. If we pull out, I would conservatively estimate that 5% of that trade would be ended within 3 years. Translated into loss of employment that would add 250,000 to the jobless total. A price worth paying? |
usual load of cobblers from the pro-EU brigade. We import about 4x more than export to EU. Do you really think they would cut us off? it would do them more harm than good. and anyway, this is not solely economic; we have a long and proud history and have fought hard and lost many good people to keep our independence and sovereignty, that is why we should be out. We can then sink or swim on our own, but at least we wouldnt be dictated to by a bunch of overpaid/corrupt bureaucrats and politicians on the take. |  | | |
| EU Referendum on 09:45 - Jan 24 with 546 views | Metallica_Hoop |
I don't mind being in Europe for trade, however I will never be part of a superstate.
St George and the Union Flag/Jack are my flag and no others.
Just think, when Bulgarian and Romania start shipping us their unwanted inbred Roma (unwanted here too) what do you think will happen? Make us more Pro-EU will it?  |  |
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| EU Referendum on 10:18 - Jan 24 with 534 views | pomanjou |
| EU Referendum on 09:15 - Jan 24 by sevenhoop |
usual load of cobblers from the pro-EU brigade. We import about 4x more than export to EU. Do you really think they would cut us off? it would do them more harm than good. and anyway, this is not solely economic; we have a long and proud history and have fought hard and lost many good people to keep our independence and sovereignty, that is why we should be out. We can then sink or swim on our own, but at least we wouldnt be dictated to by a bunch of overpaid/corrupt bureaucrats and politicians on the take. |
I agree with your general sentiments but would like to know the source of your
'we............import about 4x more than export to EU' comment............ |  |
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| EU Referendum on 10:24 - Jan 24 with 531 views | THEBUSH |
| EU Referendum on 09:15 - Jan 24 by sevenhoop |
usual load of cobblers from the pro-EU brigade. We import about 4x more than export to EU. Do you really think they would cut us off? it would do them more harm than good. and anyway, this is not solely economic; we have a long and proud history and have fought hard and lost many good people to keep our independence and sovereignty, that is why we should be out. We can then sink or swim on our own, but at least we wouldnt be dictated to by a bunch of overpaid/corrupt bureaucrats and politicians on the take. |
You need to stop reading The Daily Fail, don't believe everything they say !!! | | | |
| EU Referendum on 11:02 - Jan 24 with 510 views | Antti_Heinola |
| EU Referendum on 21:58 - Jan 23 by HollowayRanger |
dont matter now damage is done im outnumbered in my own capital city and will only get much worse judgeing by the schools |
oh christ.
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| EU Referendum on 11:10 - Jan 24 with 502 views | stevec |
The EU has, in this country, created a working class ghetto of unemployment for 2.5+ million predominantly white but also afro caribbean long term citizens, ie the offspring of those invited to this country back in the late 1950's. We have turned our backs on those people in return for an influx of cheap EU labour that was never needed (unlike the immigration of the 50's which was needed).
A country, financially, exists like a company. If the Company has the right amount of employees, the company makes money, the employees are secure in their jobs, everybody is happy. If however, you add staff that are not needed, the Company begins to lose money and suddenly, not just the new staff, but all the employees are fearful of their jobs. Too many employees can take the whole Company down, and that is exactly what is happening to this country.
Noticeable on BBC TV and radio they purposely faffed around the edges debating fisheries and the like when the real issue, immigration, was almost totally avoided.
Cameron has been very clever, giving his party its only real chance of getting elected in 2015 but if he does get in then I suspect he will ask for and accept a few minor concessions that will not make a blind bit of difference to the real problem this country is facing. |  | | |
| EU Referendum on 12:06 - Jan 24 with 481 views | ngbqpr |
When we joined the original EU (Common Market) in '73, there were 6 members - we joined with 2 others making 9.
There was a celebration match at Wembley - 'the 6 vs the 3'. Seem to recall it was a genuinely star-studded game,
That is all. |  |
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| EU Referendum on 12:09 - Jan 24 with 477 views | TheBlob |
We won't get a Referendum,the Mandarins will see to that.
Conveniently couched that Tories get booted out and Microband pulls the plug post anything like 2017. |  |
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