| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 147878 views | ted_hendrix |
That's where our new ground will be. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:53 - Aug 11 with 3029 views | Rs_Holy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:33 - Aug 11 by Toast_R |
Let's have it right. The Loft End and the School ends are shite. There is no leg room on either which puts people off going and the concourses are over crowded. If you want a halt time drink, you sacrifice 10 minutes of the first half so any sensible person doesn't bother. Again revenue missed due to a crappy dilapidated stadium. No real pull to get you into the stadium early because again its too busy to buy drinks and not a comfortable place to be social. Then there's the restricted views and non covered seats. It's had its day, served us well but it's a relic and football has moved on. £35 a ticket. |
Lower Loft is okay re leg room (I'm 5 foot 10)... I thought it was fine. Safe standing would eliminate the leg room issue in some parts of the the Upper Tier... Okay so its not perfect but with the other improvements you'd have options? Maybe let the Loft ticket holders use the facilities in the new and improved South Africa Road Stand??? The School end is less of an issue for obvious reasons |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:44 - Aug 11 with 2923 views | Toast_R |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:53 - Aug 11 by Rs_Holy |
Lower Loft is okay re leg room (I'm 5 foot 10)... I thought it was fine. Safe standing would eliminate the leg room issue in some parts of the the Upper Tier... Okay so its not perfect but with the other improvements you'd have options? Maybe let the Loft ticket holders use the facilities in the new and improved South Africa Road Stand??? The School end is less of an issue for obvious reasons |
Being 6ft2 the leg room really isn't okay. It should be illegal. Standing is great but when you've children with you, it's not really an option. Human"s must have evolved since the 80s. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:58 - Aug 11 with 2829 views | G_Ottershaw |
Until i see some more communication from the owners about their goals and objectives, i'm not convinced any of this will happen now.
The cynic in me feels like qpr has become a 'to do' list on a post it note, stuck on one of the fridges. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:01 - Aug 11 with 2803 views | Toast_R |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:58 - Aug 11 by G_Ottershaw |
Until i see some more communication from the owners about their goals and objectives, i'm not convinced any of this will happen now.
The cynic in me feels like qpr has become a 'to do' list on a post it note, stuck on one of the fridges. |
Probably swept under the fridge covered in fluff and an old Baby Bell | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:10 - Aug 11 with 2749 views | peterlund_dk |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:01 - Aug 11 by Toast_R |
Probably swept under the fridge covered in fluff and an old Baby Bell |
If the team gives another nut-less performance tomorrow against Cardiff, I'll start referring to them as "the baby bells". | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:16 - Aug 11 with 2712 views | Northernr |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:53 - Aug 10 by Juzzie |
Not big enough, right in the heart of Brentford territory, more west than Brentford and about a mile away from Brentfords own training ground. We’d basically be Brentford MKII |
Also, while the training ground is beautiful, the area it's in and the access to it is fcking horrendous. You'd never get planning permission for a stadium there, and nor would you want it. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:28 - Aug 11 with 2638 views | CamberleyR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:16 - Aug 11 by Northernr |
Also, while the training ground is beautiful, the area it's in and the access to it is fcking horrendous. You'd never get planning permission for a stadium there, and nor would you want it. |
Also it's ten miles away from LR. Has any club that's moved into a new stadium in the last 30 years, ever relocated as far from their 'home' and before anybody piles in I know we've only been at LR since 1917 (bar a few seasons in the 30s and 60s at White City stadium) but I would think all of us regard it as our spiritual home. [Post edited 11 Aug 2023 11:31]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:31 - Aug 11 with 2611 views | Northernr |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:28 - Aug 11 by CamberleyR |
Also it's ten miles away from LR. Has any club that's moved into a new stadium in the last 30 years, ever relocated as far from their 'home' and before anybody piles in I know we've only been at LR since 1917 (bar a few seasons in the 30s and 60s at White City stadium) but I would think all of us regard it as our spiritual home. [Post edited 11 Aug 2023 11:31]
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Be interested to know how far Bolton's is from Burnden Park. I always think of that as a terrible example of a club just hauled out of its town and stuck out by a motorway. | | | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:32 - Aug 11 with 2603 views | CamberleyR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:31 - Aug 11 by Northernr |
Be interested to know how far Bolton's is from Burnden Park. I always think of that as a terrible example of a club just hauled out of its town and stuck out by a motorway. |
I thought their new ground was about 5 miles away and not even in Bolton anymore, isn't it in Horwich? | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:33 - Aug 11 with 2586 views | Northernr |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:32 - Aug 11 by CamberleyR |
I thought their new ground was about 5 miles away and not even in Bolton anymore, isn't it in Horwich? |
Yeh just looked it up and it's between 5-6 miles away, and yes in Horwich. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:47 - Aug 11 with 2506 views | SuffolkHoop |
We're a bit late to the party when it comes to buying up land in West London. Values have gone through the roof over the last 20 years and we've had options for good sites before and ballsed it up. The problem with QPR is and has been that commercially we're never in the right place at the right time - and no it's not just bad lack its incompetence and has been for 2-3 decades.
IF the owners are serious about moving, then IMO the only viable sites will be in the Outer London Boroughs of Hillingdon, Hounslow, Harrow, Ealing or Brent. Now you can take the view that we're a club from the Bush and W12 is our home and yes thats true and I get that. An awful lot of QPR fans live in Outer west London though - if there was a site near pubs, the Underground/Overground with the space to create a proper solution for the longevity of QPR then is that a bad thing?
I'm not suggesting Milton Keynes, or an out of town retail park in Slough... just that a pragmatic solution could be to move the club west a few miles. [Post edited 11 Aug 2023 11:50]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:37 - Aug 11 with 2413 views | QPRConor2000 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:47 - Aug 11 by SuffolkHoop |
We're a bit late to the party when it comes to buying up land in West London. Values have gone through the roof over the last 20 years and we've had options for good sites before and ballsed it up. The problem with QPR is and has been that commercially we're never in the right place at the right time - and no it's not just bad lack its incompetence and has been for 2-3 decades.
IF the owners are serious about moving, then IMO the only viable sites will be in the Outer London Boroughs of Hillingdon, Hounslow, Harrow, Ealing or Brent. Now you can take the view that we're a club from the Bush and W12 is our home and yes thats true and I get that. An awful lot of QPR fans live in Outer west London though - if there was a site near pubs, the Underground/Overground with the space to create a proper solution for the longevity of QPR then is that a bad thing?
I'm not suggesting Milton Keynes, or an out of town retail park in Slough... just that a pragmatic solution could be to move the club west a few miles. [Post edited 11 Aug 2023 11:50]
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Something has to be done sooner rather than later.
tbf I think we will all die of boredom given the continuous holds up over the years. [Post edited 11 Aug 2023 12:49]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:13 - Aug 11 with 2248 views | loftupper |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:05 - Aug 11 by Rs_Holy |
Apologies as I'm going into broken record mode with this one and there's a case of Dave Jar View with this post! But...
If the club could re-do the SA Road and make it as big as poss, remove the exec boxes, and make it all glassy and 'right for light' proof (see the the Aviva stadium in Dublin). You would see an increase in capacity there. This stand is the only one which could theoretically increase its footprint.
Then re-do the Stan Bowles Stand relocating the exec boxes there (a double tier set of boxes at the back is achievable). This would leave about 1/2 the capacity of seats in front. One down side would be probably losing the Q Block?
To be honest does the Loft or School End need to be done? Apart from the first 6-7 rows having no cover I fail to see what huge improvements you could make? In fact why not have some more safe standing in the Upper Loft N,P blocks. The School End is mainly for Away support. Apart from Dick Menace (not getting a cup of tea) most away fans seem to enjoy the retro experience and being so close to the pitch.
So overall I reckon the capacity would be roughly the same, you'd be doubling the revenue from the prawn sandwich contingent, removing restricted views, keeping the peeps currently in the paddock area dry, and staying in West London. |
Unfortunately the return on investment would not justify any work on Loftus Road. They would have to sell the current ground to help pay for the new one, most likely along with the housing development they secured in Old Oak. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:50 - Aug 11 with 2149 views | ManinBlack |
Shame we can't build a stadium on Shepherds Bush Green and move the park to Loftus Road. Far too simple in a complicated country however. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:21 - Aug 11 with 2053 views | QPRConor2000 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:13 - Aug 11 by loftupper |
Unfortunately the return on investment would not justify any work on Loftus Road. They would have to sell the current ground to help pay for the new one, most likely along with the housing development they secured in Old Oak. |
Im just looking at Rotherham's ground and when they moved to their new stadium in 2012, it cost them around £17m to build a 12,000 seat stadium which is £1,414 per seat.
Brighton's ground when it was opened a year earlier in 2011, it cost them £93m, at the time it held 22,000, which is around £4,227 per seat
We also have 8k season ticket holders at Loftus Road, and we dont have any waiting lists ether I dont think, which tells me we probably dont need 30k capacity.
So the issue isnt about capacity, its about generating non-matchday income, which if we do move, we can do.
I recon we will do something similar to when we brought Heston, we buy a plot of land and we use it to develop a new stadium on it.
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:15 - Aug 13 with 3451 views | QPRConor2000 |
Has anyone got the feeling that we will end doing something similar to what we did when we brought Heston and we end up buying a 10-15 acre site somewhere in Acton or something.
I recon the reason why LC has gone quiet is perhaps they might have found another bit of land somewhere which could be viable. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:34 - Aug 13 with 3364 views | Hoopsie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:15 - Aug 13 by QPRConor2000 |
Has anyone got the feeling that we will end doing something similar to what we did when we brought Heston and we end up buying a 10-15 acre site somewhere in Acton or something.
I recon the reason why LC has gone quiet is perhaps they might have found another bit of land somewhere which could be viable. |
Possibly, you never know with this board, they like to keep things quiet now so I think we won’t hear much even if there’s still something on with old oak or LC site
But anywhere outside W12 will be highly contentious. I can’t think they will push through something of such significance without consulting with fans and other stakeholders? |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:25 - Aug 13 with 3237 views | QPRConor2000 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:34 - Aug 13 by Hoopsie |
Possibly, you never know with this board, they like to keep things quiet now so I think we won’t hear much even if there’s still something on with old oak or LC site
But anywhere outside W12 will be highly contentious. I can’t think they will push through something of such significance without consulting with fans and other stakeholders? |
For a lot of fans, staying in W12 is a red line, which makes any move outside the borough impossible. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:40 - Aug 13 with 3063 views | CamberleyR |
I think we need to face up to the fact that other than the LCS site, which I personally think now is unattainable anyway for all the myriad reasons mentioned before, the ship has sailed for finding another site in the W12 postcode area.
I wouldn't be unhappy in moving to another W postcode whether that be W3, W9 or W10 if we're within a couple of miles of our spiritual home. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 17:00 - Aug 13 with 2931 views | nadera78 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:21 - Aug 11 by QPRConor2000 |
Im just looking at Rotherham's ground and when they moved to their new stadium in 2012, it cost them around £17m to build a 12,000 seat stadium which is £1,414 per seat.
Brighton's ground when it was opened a year earlier in 2011, it cost them £93m, at the time it held 22,000, which is around £4,227 per seat
We also have 8k season ticket holders at Loftus Road, and we dont have any waiting lists ether I dont think, which tells me we probably dont need 30k capacity.
So the issue isnt about capacity, its about generating non-matchday income, which if we do move, we can do.
I recon we will do something similar to when we brought Heston, we buy a plot of land and we use it to develop a new stadium on it.
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Just on the capacity thing, the reason we don't sell out is that Loftus Rd is, unfortunately, not a great place to watch football. We have 18,000 seats and a good 3-4,000 of those have a limited view of the pitch which means they only sell when there's no other option. Then there's the lack of leg room, terrible food and drink options, etc, etc. I have no doubt whatsoever that with a better stadium we'd sell more tickets, even with a mid-table championship team. I can't think of a single club that has built a new stadium and not seen a significant increase in attendances - maybe Coventry but that's a completely different scenario. People want, in fact demand, better facilities than Loftus Rd offers. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 18:13 - Aug 13 with 2760 views | colinallcars |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 17:00 - Aug 13 by nadera78 |
Just on the capacity thing, the reason we don't sell out is that Loftus Rd is, unfortunately, not a great place to watch football. We have 18,000 seats and a good 3-4,000 of those have a limited view of the pitch which means they only sell when there's no other option. Then there's the lack of leg room, terrible food and drink options, etc, etc. I have no doubt whatsoever that with a better stadium we'd sell more tickets, even with a mid-table championship team. I can't think of a single club that has built a new stadium and not seen a significant increase in attendances - maybe Coventry but that's a completely different scenario. People want, in fact demand, better facilities than Loftus Rd offers. |
I've mentioned Colchester a few times way back near the start of this thread. They moved out of town and now play in a stadium hard by the A12. Nothing for miles around apart from a petrol station on the other side of the A12. You have to get a shuttle bus from central Colchester.
I haven't checked but I'd he surprised if they've a rise in attendances. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 18:43 - Aug 13 with 2701 views | QPRConor2000 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 18:13 - Aug 13 by colinallcars |
I've mentioned Colchester a few times way back near the start of this thread. They moved out of town and now play in a stadium hard by the A12. Nothing for miles around apart from a petrol station on the other side of the A12. You have to get a shuttle bus from central Colchester.
I haven't checked but I'd he surprised if they've a rise in attendances. |
Since theyve moved, the average attendance hasn't changed, in fact attendances have gone down slightly.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/colchester-united/besucherzahlenentwicklung/vere | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:23 - Aug 14 with 2409 views | QPRConor2000 |
At the moment, the club gets £22m per year in revenue, and we lost £24m last year.
So the need to generate extra revenue is paramount. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:29 - Aug 14 with 2388 views | dmm |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:23 - Aug 14 by QPRConor2000 |
At the moment, the club gets £22m per year in revenue, and we lost £24m last year.
So the need to generate extra revenue is paramount. |
I thought it was worse than that as the owners have to put in £2m a month to keep us afloat. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:35 - Aug 14 with 2343 views | CamberleyR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:29 - Aug 14 by dmm |
I thought it was worse than that as the owners have to put in £2m a month to keep us afloat. |
£2m a month pumped in to balance the books would equate to a £24m loss? | |
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