| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 147879 views | ted_hendrix |
That's where our new ground will be. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:50 - Aug 10 with 2876 views | francisbowles |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 01:18 - Aug 10 by Boston |
Will you be in for a lever if you mix with sports fans. |
You've lost me there mate. I've visited the States hundreds of times but not since the orange one was elected in 2016. What's a lever? |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:08 - Aug 10 with 2819 views | kernowhoop |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 18:11 - Aug 9 by francisbowles |
As you probably know most of the 'Trump sheep' in the middle don't have passports. |
63 per cent of Americans do not have a passport. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:02 - Aug 10 with 2689 views | francisbowles |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:24 - Aug 10 by Lanhoop |
And most of Europe wishes the other 37% didn’t either  [Post edited 10 Aug 2023 9:24]
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Apart from when they're spending their dollars in the economies. [Post edited 10 Aug 2023 11:49]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:09 - Aug 10 with 2539 views | QPRConor2000 |
Have we thought of perhaps developing a smaller venue on the current site?
I think the problem is not the capacity, but rather we dont get any non-matchday income, so perhaps we move away for a season or two, and then come back to a more modern ground seating 15k, with 2k seats for VIPs etc.
Maybe thats what Amit and others are thinking of doing? | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:57 - Aug 10 with 2422 views | Juzzie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:09 - Aug 10 by QPRConor2000 |
Have we thought of perhaps developing a smaller venue on the current site?
I think the problem is not the capacity, but rather we dont get any non-matchday income, so perhaps we move away for a season or two, and then come back to a more modern ground seating 15k, with 2k seats for VIPs etc.
Maybe thats what Amit and others are thinking of doing? |
This too has been discussed a lot. On other threads of the same topic in the past and possibly earlier on in this thread.
Yes, it is possible but, as you say, our capacity will be reduced to circa 15k. Not sure how that would be viable long term, we'd be pretty much 4th in the west (of) London clubs.
Secondly, as I've said before, we have got to stop looking at this continual goose>golden egg that is "non match day income". Let's say we are able to expand on that from it's current paltry income and it gives us circa £1m a season. What then happens when player salaries keep going up and that £1m is no longer enough to contribute/cover it any more? All avenues are then exhausted.
Stop paying these fukkers the obscene amounts of money they get paid. Just stop it. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:01 - Aug 10 with 2387 views | MedwayR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:09 - Aug 10 by QPRConor2000 |
Have we thought of perhaps developing a smaller venue on the current site?
I think the problem is not the capacity, but rather we dont get any non-matchday income, so perhaps we move away for a season or two, and then come back to a more modern ground seating 15k, with 2k seats for VIPs etc.
Maybe thats what Amit and others are thinking of doing? |
If we can get the land the school sits on behind the school end this might be what we end up doing, rebuilding with a similar capacity but with the added income from a more efficient build plus extra facilities. It might end up being our only option. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:16 - Aug 10 with 2337 views | Hoopsie |
Isn’t there a report Brighton’s stadium contributed to half a billion (actually £595 m) to the local economy? Brighton, population about 277,000 (actually includes Hove)
By comparison, considering our West London locality (W12 postcode) population about 545,000 (out of London metropolitan population of about 9.5 million) how much would that translate?
As if! [Post edited 10 Aug 2023 13:27]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:27 - Aug 10 with 2297 views | TK1 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 07:45 - Aug 10 by QPR_Jim |
I think our best bet would be to go back to Car Giant, their land is no longer part of the OOC development area. I think that means that residential development is off the table so perhaps they'd be open to a deal if it was commercially viable for them.
If car giant would sell the buildings along Hythe Rd as you enter the site and use some of the money to rebuild some of their other buildings to replace the capacity to cover the lost buildings. We could fit a stadium there if we re-aligned the road to the north of the site. To appease planning we could extend the canal footpath along the site and put a bridge over to the new station which would probably increase the value of the rest of car giants land.
Now I appreciate that they don't like our owners but on a commercial level they'd be offloading some pretty run down looking buildings and increasing the value of the rest of their land. If we were to lease it back to them after purchase while they got their operations moved, it really would be win-win. |
This has always been the best site for a new stadium, and it probably remains the most likely locally along with LCS. The footprint is there but unlike LCS there wouldn't be much NIMBY opposition, if any. The opposition is from Car Giant itself, but I would not be surprised if those negotiations are ongoing or at least soon to restart post-TF. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:36 - Aug 10 with 2245 views | Hoopsie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:27 - Aug 10 by TK1 |
This has always been the best site for a new stadium, and it probably remains the most likely locally along with LCS. The footprint is there but unlike LCS there wouldn't be much NIMBY opposition, if any. The opposition is from Car Giant itself, but I would not be surprised if those negotiations are ongoing or at least soon to restart post-TF. |
The naivety of our Malaysian owners shines through this one
They are successful entrepreneurs on their own right, but back in Malaysia
I believe they thought they could swagger in and impose their style of doing business from half way across the globe onto London only to fall flat and incurred the wrath of car giant, whose owners are QPR supporters?
Unbelievably naive | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:51 - Aug 10 with 2199 views | QPR_Jim |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:36 - Aug 10 by Hoopsie |
The naivety of our Malaysian owners shines through this one
They are successful entrepreneurs on their own right, but back in Malaysia
I believe they thought they could swagger in and impose their style of doing business from half way across the globe onto London only to fall flat and incurred the wrath of car giant, whose owners are QPR supporters?
Unbelievably naive |
To be fair didn't they hired Phil Beard to deal with that kind of stuff and he made a right mess of it/got some poor advice. Clearly upset Car Giant which killed it all, I think they're run by a QPR fan but not owned by a QPR fan if memory serves.
I think they were just after more money, when the site was under the development area there was the potential for residential development so pound signs in their eyes and the idea of a football stadium taking up a big chunk of that wasn't welcomed.
There was originally a bridge between the station and that area planned when it was under the development area but assume that was scrapped when the site was removed from the development area. It's also now unlikely to be approved for residential development so hopefully as others have said with TF gone and PB etc we can negotiate with them. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:57 - Aug 10 with 2168 views | BostonR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:36 - Aug 10 by Hoopsie |
The naivety of our Malaysian owners shines through this one
They are successful entrepreneurs on their own right, but back in Malaysia
I believe they thought they could swagger in and impose their style of doing business from half way across the globe onto London only to fall flat and incurred the wrath of car giant, whose owners are QPR supporters?
Unbelievably naive |
There is no point in digging up stuff relating to the previous Car Giant issue. No one really knows what went on behind closed doors and those discussions never reached a Heads of Terms agreement.
There is no investment return on building a smaller stadium on the current footprint. W10,11 and 12 have become real go-to residential development areas, so I am certain any redevelopment of LR is not going to happen.
I sense that even if the club revive the car giant opportunity there will be obstacles from the Council. The owners have made a lot of silly football decisions but I can absolutely say that when it comes to business and related opportunities they are “on it”.
They are currently forking out circa £2M per month to keep the club afloat. A sizeable portion of that money is being thrown into a bottomless pit of a stadium. That has to change and quickly. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:05 - Aug 10 with 2145 views | Hoopsie |
Our owners dealings in old oak and LC sites, where they pissed off both car giant and the LBHF, were clearly suspect. They thought those sites owe the club something?
I recall the presumptuous OOC flyer about QPR’s new 30-40,000 capacity stadium. Also recall the overly confidence in the LCS. It turned out none of these were actually seriously considered with the land owners and stakeholders before with QPR making some very pre-matured announcements. [Post edited 10 Aug 2023 14:07]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:45 - Aug 10 with 2057 views | Boston |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:02 - Aug 10 by francisbowles |
Apart from when they're spending their dollars in the economies. [Post edited 10 Aug 2023 11:49]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:46 - Aug 10 with 2054 views | Boston |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:36 - Aug 10 by Hoopsie |
The naivety of our Malaysian owners shines through this one
They are successful entrepreneurs on their own right, but back in Malaysia
I believe they thought they could swagger in and impose their style of doing business from half way across the globe onto London only to fall flat and incurred the wrath of car giant, whose owners are QPR supporters?
Unbelievably naive |
Objection your honour. Presumption, steering the jury. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 14:50 - Aug 10 with 4150 views | Boston |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:50 - Aug 10 by francisbowles |
You've lost me there mate. I've visited the States hundreds of times but not since the orange one was elected in 2016. What's a lever? |
Attend a sports fixture where a nationally known Democrat politician is in attendance, you'll get the idea.
Lever - hmm, probably 'Old English', guess you're a lot younger than me. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:21 - Aug 10 with 3904 views | QPRConor2000 |
I wonder if the owners might end up moving us to Heston given we already own the land around there.
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:52 - Aug 10 with 3795 views | wombat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:21 - Aug 10 by QPRConor2000 |
I wonder if the owners might end up moving us to Heston given we already own the land around there.
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Do we ? Zero transport links near there so non runner I’m afraid |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:53 - Aug 10 with 3709 views | Juzzie |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:21 - Aug 10 by QPRConor2000 |
I wonder if the owners might end up moving us to Heston given we already own the land around there.
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Not big enough, right in the heart of Brentford territory, more west than Brentford and about a mile away from Brentfords own training ground. We’d basically be Brentford MKII | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:08 - Aug 10 with 3604 views | colinallcars |
Only one pub nearby - the Pavilion. That area has been extremely badly hit by pub closures.
There were two pubs on Scrubs Lane both gone, plus the North Pole, Cowshed, British Volunteer and the Latimer.
And yet the Pavilion always seems quiet on the odd occasion I visit. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:13 - Aug 10 with 3570 views | QPRConor2000 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:53 - Aug 10 by Juzzie |
Not big enough, right in the heart of Brentford territory, more west than Brentford and about a mile away from Brentfords own training ground. We’d basically be Brentford MKII |
Thats true about Heston, I just wonder if its an option that has been talked out.
I am actually starting to wonder whether the owners are thinking about staying put at LR, and building a slightly smaller ground to a modern standard.
tbf we rarely sell out LR, and I think a modern 15k seat venue on the current site is not impossible.
For example, Rotherham's ground which holds 12k is on a 5 acre site and it cost them about £25m to build, and compare that to spending £100m on a 30k capacity ground.
The question is do we stay in W12 but with a modern ground which is smaller, or do we move outside the borough? I personally favour the former. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:57 - Aug 11 with 3366 views | NewBee |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:53 - Aug 10 by Juzzie |
Not big enough, right in the heart of Brentford territory, more west than Brentford and about a mile away from Brentfords own training ground. We’d basically be Brentford MKII |
"We’d basically be Brentford MKII"
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:01 - Aug 11 with 3153 views | QPR_Jim |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:13 - Aug 10 by QPRConor2000 |
Thats true about Heston, I just wonder if its an option that has been talked out.
I am actually starting to wonder whether the owners are thinking about staying put at LR, and building a slightly smaller ground to a modern standard.
tbf we rarely sell out LR, and I think a modern 15k seat venue on the current site is not impossible.
For example, Rotherham's ground which holds 12k is on a 5 acre site and it cost them about £25m to build, and compare that to spending £100m on a 30k capacity ground.
The question is do we stay in W12 but with a modern ground which is smaller, or do we move outside the borough? I personally favour the former. |
That's only the question if the board completely give up looking for options nearby. To my mind there's LCS, Car Giant, Twyford Avenue, there was another site in Acton mentioned as well that would probably work and no doubt a few others. You're also overlooking the money from selling LR if we did move, the land in any of those locations would be cheaper than Shepherds Bush but they're all better connected than Heston.
I also don't think you'll get 15k, it would be more like 12k by the time the seats are compliant to current spacing and you've got more hospitality space. The best chance of it working would be to buy the school but how long before they actually want to move? | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:05 - Aug 11 with 3140 views | Rs_Holy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:13 - Aug 10 by QPRConor2000 |
Thats true about Heston, I just wonder if its an option that has been talked out.
I am actually starting to wonder whether the owners are thinking about staying put at LR, and building a slightly smaller ground to a modern standard.
tbf we rarely sell out LR, and I think a modern 15k seat venue on the current site is not impossible.
For example, Rotherham's ground which holds 12k is on a 5 acre site and it cost them about £25m to build, and compare that to spending £100m on a 30k capacity ground.
The question is do we stay in W12 but with a modern ground which is smaller, or do we move outside the borough? I personally favour the former. |
Apologies as I'm going into broken record mode with this one and there's a case of Dave Jar View with this post! But...
If the club could re-do the SA Road and make it as big as poss, remove the exec boxes, and make it all glassy and 'right for light' proof (see the the Aviva stadium in Dublin). You would see an increase in capacity there. This stand is the only one which could theoretically increase its footprint.
Then re-do the Stan Bowles Stand relocating the exec boxes there (a double tier set of boxes at the back is achievable). This would leave about 1/2 the capacity of seats in front. One down side would be probably losing the Q Block?
To be honest does the Loft or School End need to be done? Apart from the first 6-7 rows having no cover I fail to see what huge improvements you could make? In fact why not have some more safe standing in the Upper Loft N,P blocks. The School End is mainly for Away support. Apart from Dick Menace (not getting a cup of tea) most away fans seem to enjoy the retro experience and being so close to the pitch.
So overall I reckon the capacity would be roughly the same, you'd be doubling the revenue from the prawn sandwich contingent, removing restricted views, keeping the peeps currently in the paddock area dry, and staying in West London. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:33 - Aug 11 with 3080 views | Toast_R |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:05 - Aug 11 by Rs_Holy |
Apologies as I'm going into broken record mode with this one and there's a case of Dave Jar View with this post! But...
If the club could re-do the SA Road and make it as big as poss, remove the exec boxes, and make it all glassy and 'right for light' proof (see the the Aviva stadium in Dublin). You would see an increase in capacity there. This stand is the only one which could theoretically increase its footprint.
Then re-do the Stan Bowles Stand relocating the exec boxes there (a double tier set of boxes at the back is achievable). This would leave about 1/2 the capacity of seats in front. One down side would be probably losing the Q Block?
To be honest does the Loft or School End need to be done? Apart from the first 6-7 rows having no cover I fail to see what huge improvements you could make? In fact why not have some more safe standing in the Upper Loft N,P blocks. The School End is mainly for Away support. Apart from Dick Menace (not getting a cup of tea) most away fans seem to enjoy the retro experience and being so close to the pitch.
So overall I reckon the capacity would be roughly the same, you'd be doubling the revenue from the prawn sandwich contingent, removing restricted views, keeping the peeps currently in the paddock area dry, and staying in West London. |
Let's have it right. The Loft End and the School ends are shite. There is no leg room on either which puts people off going and the concourses are over crowded. If you want a halt time drink, you sacrifice 10 minutes of the first half so any sensible person doesn't bother. Again revenue missed due to a crappy dilapidated stadium. No real pull to get you into the stadium early because again its too busy to buy drinks and not a comfortable place to be social. Then there's the restricted views and non covered seats. It's had its day, served us well but it's a relic and football has moved on. £35 a ticket. |  | | |
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