| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil 08:30 - Mar 12 with 3083 views | rbee |
From the BBC website
A new four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest is being built for the COP30 climate summit in the Brazilian city of Belém. |  | | |  |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 16:28 - Mar 12 with 981 views | R_from_afar |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 12:17 - Mar 12 by Lblock |
Amen my brother, Amen.
Rubbish and it's contamination of the sea in general is my one and only climate concern.
That is the one thing we can control and that we are the main source of.
Mother Earth's climate will change.
It always has, always will.
She may decide it's time for humanity to do one and re-invent herself yet again.... if so there is not one thing the human race can do to stop her. |
"Mother Earth's climate will change.
It always has, always will.
She may decide it's time for humanity to do one and re-invent herself yet again.... if so there is not one thing the human race can do to stop her."
Yes, there is natural climate change, but multiple, independent, unrelated and peer reviewed scientific studies have taken into account natural climate variability and concluded that the warming and changes to our climate can only be down to man-made GHG emissions.
That said, you are correct that Mother Nature could throw a catastrophic level of change at us.
In the meantime, we need to keep global temperature rises below 1.5 degrees or we are in for a whole world of hurt, a nightmare which no amount of money and effort will be able to fix.
The major advances in human civilisation have all taken place against a backdrop of stable climate. If climate tipping points are passed, large swathes of the planet will become uninhabitable and migration will go off the scale Over 200 million people live in coastal areas... |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 17:22 - Mar 12 with 914 views | PunteR |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 15:08 - Mar 12 by kensalriser |
I already said - because it's working the way it's designed and it allows people time to transition without more draconian measures.
Would you prefer it if your vehicle was banned? |
What's the congestion charge for then?
If you want to stop people having to drive into London, stop building offices , shops etc in London.
If I have to work in London, in my diesel van, it's about £27 for ULEZ and CC, I then have to pay almost double then other petrol/ electric cars to park. I'm looking around £60 spent before I've even started.
I think most are concerned with the environment, but I think the stumbling block, for me anyway, is it feels like a rip off. It's just seems like the solutions are just scratching the surface. Its just fund raising.
Recycle plastics another con. Just gets sent out to Malaysia or somewhere and they just dump it in the sea anyway.
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 17:41 - Mar 12 with 889 views | GaryHaddock |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 15:17 - Mar 12 by kensalriser |
They should go much further in my opinion. There are way too many cars on the road in London. I have no idea why there are so many single occupancy vehicles crawling around during rush hour, I detest driving in London and only do so when there's no other reasonable choice (ie heavy loads, disabled passenger etc). I'd support more measures to charge vehicles, especially heavy ones, and fund improving public transport.
TfL is doing fine by the way - passenger demand is rising and there's an operating surplus. https://board.tfl.gov.uk/documents/s22122/fc-20240313-item06b-budget-part1-appx1 |
You are 100% correct.
With one caveat (and a huge generalisation), encouraging non Londoners to get public transport into London is a difficult ask as long as public transport is more expensive than driving. [Post edited 12 Mar 17:46]
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 20:57 - Mar 12 with 786 views | Gloucs_R |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 17:41 - Mar 12 by GaryHaddock |
You are 100% correct.
With one caveat (and a huge generalisation), encouraging non Londoners to get public transport into London is a difficult ask as long as public transport is more expensive than driving. [Post edited 12 Mar 17:46]
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It can cost me £180 for a return into London now. Utter madness. |  |
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 21:42 - Mar 12 with 750 views | Match82 |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 20:57 - Mar 12 by Gloucs_R |
It can cost me £180 for a return into London now. Utter madness. |
I know subsidies are a part of this, but it's $7 (so about 5 quid) for me to get a return train ticket from the suburbs into downtown Chicago, that's about a 25 minute train ride each way, on comparable quality trains. It's another $5 for unlimited bus and "el" (tube equivalent) rides when I'm downtown.
It's not quite the scope and network of London but it's not a million miles away. I simply can't wrap my head around Public transport in London being so expensive now, it's crazy. |  | | |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 21:54 - Mar 12 with 740 views | UPPERLOFTNZ |
is Remi available for the playoffs? |  |
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 22:18 - Mar 12 with 705 views | ted_hendrix |
For me to use the train Saturday I have to drive 8 miles to Didcot parkway station, pay for car parking, return ticket to Paddington £37.80. get from Paddington to White City and then do the return journey hoping that the goddam train hasn't been cancelled.
Or.
I can jump In my very economical Honda Civic and providing I leave earlier enough drive and park up very near the ground with the added benefit of getting away sharpish and back on the M40.
It's life, It's how we are.
I'll use my car, It's how I'm programmed. [Post edited 12 Mar 22:26]
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 10:09 - Mar 13 with 538 views | plasmahoop |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 14:43 - Mar 12 by GaryHaddock |
No fan of Sadiq Khan, but why does he get grief for Boris Johnson’s project? Is the answer as obvious as I think it is? |
Sadiq Khan has written a book called 'breathe', so ulez is basically about promoting his book |  | | |
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 10:12 - Mar 13 with 533 views | GaryHaddock |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 10:09 - Mar 13 by plasmahoop |
Sadiq Khan has written a book called 'breathe', so ulez is basically about promoting his book |
Incredible foresight to get his predecessor and political rival to launch a clean air scheme just so he can get £6k on a book. | | | |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 10:45 - Mar 13 with 474 views | plasmahoop |
He didn't have to expand the project. When youve got your face in the trough every pound counts | | | |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 11:06 - Mar 13 with 445 views | GaryHaddock |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 10:45 - Mar 13 by plasmahoop |
He didn't have to expand the project. When youve got your face in the trough every pound counts |
As Kensal says though, it's working so can we be really sure that greed is his motivation and not air quality improvement and the onset of a huge fine?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/mar/11/britain-300m-fine-london-air
I don't like the way CC and ULEZ are funded, I think they punish people who are the worst off but the rhetoric from Khan's opponents is based on misinformation, cynical politicking, and in a few cases something else.
Overall we're breathing cleaner air and our kids are living longer. That's a good thing no? [Post edited 13 Mar 11:10]
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 11:30 - Mar 13 with 397 views | plasmahoop |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 11:06 - Mar 13 by GaryHaddock |
As Kensal says though, it's working so can we be really sure that greed is his motivation and not air quality improvement and the onset of a huge fine?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/mar/11/britain-300m-fine-london-air
I don't like the way CC and ULEZ are funded, I think they punish people who are the worst off but the rhetoric from Khan's opponents is based on misinformation, cynical politicking, and in a few cases something else.
Overall we're breathing cleaner air and our kids are living longer. That's a good thing no? [Post edited 13 Mar 11:10]
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Personally im against the expansion into outer London, and don't like how it is being implemented. Not in favour of brexit, but if we've done it not sure why we are allowing ourselves to be facing a 300 million pound fine. Not keen on khan or Boris, personally id abolish the mayor of london position. | | | |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 14:02 - Mar 13 with 313 views | Boston |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 11:06 - Mar 12 by Gloucs_R |
Plastic is a massive problem for our long-term health. |
Don't eat it then. | |
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 14:15 - Mar 13 with 287 views | kensalriser |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 17:22 - Mar 12 by PunteR |
What's the congestion charge for then?
If you want to stop people having to drive into London, stop building offices , shops etc in London.
If I have to work in London, in my diesel van, it's about £27 for ULEZ and CC, I then have to pay almost double then other petrol/ electric cars to park. I'm looking around £60 spent before I've even started.
I think most are concerned with the environment, but I think the stumbling block, for me anyway, is it feels like a rip off. It's just seems like the solutions are just scratching the surface. Its just fund raising.
Recycle plastics another con. Just gets sent out to Malaysia or somewhere and they just dump it in the sea anyway.
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You've completed only half the cost-benefit analysis there.
If the congestion charge were scrapped it's certain that traffic inside the zone will increase. So if you're spending the day working in central London you could easily have an hour added to your journey times, which means an hour less available for chargeable work. I have no idea what your hourly rate is, but if it's less than £60 please PM with your trades capabilities. |  |
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 14:43 - Mar 13 with 253 views | Boston |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 14:15 - Mar 13 by kensalriser |
You've completed only half the cost-benefit analysis there.
If the congestion charge were scrapped it's certain that traffic inside the zone will increase. So if you're spending the day working in central London you could easily have an hour added to your journey times, which means an hour less available for chargeable work. I have no idea what your hourly rate is, but if it's less than £60 please PM with your trades capabilities. |
Surely his hourly rate / your charge, is set by his expenses. | |
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 15:05 - Mar 13 with 225 views | dmm |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 14:02 - Mar 13 by Boston |
Don't eat it then. |
It's unavoidable. Microplastics have infiltrated every part of the planet. They are in the sea, rivers, soil, air, fish, animals, you and me.
Because they spread widely in soils, they end up in the food we eat. Unwittingly, we are consuming tiny fragments of plastic with almost every bite we take. Ninety percent of animal and vegetable protein samples test positive for microplastics. |  | | |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 15:09 - Mar 13 with 221 views | GaryHaddock |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 15:05 - Mar 13 by dmm |
It's unavoidable. Microplastics have infiltrated every part of the planet. They are in the sea, rivers, soil, air, fish, animals, you and me.
Because they spread widely in soils, they end up in the food we eat. Unwittingly, we are consuming tiny fragments of plastic with almost every bite we take. Ninety percent of animal and vegetable protein samples test positive for microplastics. |
This certainly woke me up!
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/05/21/health/microplastics-testicles-study-wellness | | | |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 15:20 - Mar 13 with 209 views | Gloucs_R |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 15:05 - Mar 13 by dmm |
It's unavoidable. Microplastics have infiltrated every part of the planet. They are in the sea, rivers, soil, air, fish, animals, you and me.
Because they spread widely in soils, they end up in the food we eat. Unwittingly, we are consuming tiny fragments of plastic with almost every bite we take. Ninety percent of animal and vegetable protein samples test positive for microplastics. |
My wife has a thrown away pretty much everything plastic in the kitchen now with the exception of non-stick frying pans.
I don't necessarily buy in to the whole climate change story but I do think the human race needs to be more considerate of the resources we use. | |
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 15:43 - Mar 13 with 164 views | RBlock |
Polling consistently shows ULEZ is a popular policy across residents of both inner and outer London. It's exceeded targets in reducing pollution and led to significantly cleaner air, improving the quality of life for Londoners. The main opposition comes from people who don't live in London but drive in for other reasons - should their concerns be put ahead of actual residents? Of course not.
The ludicrous cost and poor standard of public transport in this country is another issue altogether, but I absolutely agree it needs to be reined in and reduced if we are going to encourage people to leave their cars at home. Start by taking it into public control and stop companies skimming off the top while services decline. [Post edited 13 Mar 15:51]
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 15:47 - Mar 13 with 157 views | rbee |
Mother Earth experiences climate change but at a very slow pace, over thousands of years.
The climate has changed drastically in my own lifetime, that should not happen and only happens because of human intervention. | | | |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 16:10 - Mar 13 with 137 views | Rangersw12 |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 09:08 - Mar 12 by loftboy |
Yet our (in terms of the rest of the world) miniscule country is being taxed to death in the named “saving the planet”. If it was having any effect I wouldn’t mind but we could hit the mythical net zero and won’t make a blind bit of difference.
We’ve stopped mining coal but still import it , so we look good whilst passing the emissions output to another country.
China opening up new power stations by the week, India, Russia, USA pumping out god knows how much shite into the air.
But hey let’s charge loftboy £12.50 to drive his car 100 yards inside the ULEZ zone on a Saturday.
Miraculously my car becomes clean if I pay it.
We need to concentrate on stuff we can control like plastic pollution, my customers can’t have their shopping delivered in plastic bags any more ( which is a good thing) meanwhile nearly every item in their baskets is wrapped in plastic! Much of it unnecessary like fruit and veg which was always packed in paper bags when I was growing up.
Do the stuff that does make a difference and more people would be on board. [Post edited 12 Mar 9:25]
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Who cares what other countries are doing surely it's better for the people of London that the air pollution is lower . .
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgq9nnj274xo
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 16:39 - Mar 13 with 102 views | hubble |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 15:47 - Mar 13 by rbee |
Mother Earth experiences climate change but at a very slow pace, over thousands of years.
The climate has changed drastically in my own lifetime, that should not happen and only happens because of human intervention. |
This is simply not true. The climate can change very quickly, both globally and relatively locally. Perfect examples of this are what's known as the Medieval Warm Period, where temperatures rocketed in a very short space of time, particularly in the Northern Hemisphere, where temperatures were actually warmer than they are now, even globally, by about 1°C. (Incidentally, this allowed the VIkings to colonise formerly freezing Greenland and vineyards to flourish in Northern England). The MWP existed from about 900AD to 1300AD and was followed by rapid cooling, leading to what's known as the little ice age, where temperatures plummeted.
This rapid temperature change is also true at the beginning and end of ice ages, and in interglacial periods. For example, in what's known as the Younger Dryas, temperatures dropped by 4–10°C in just a few years. We are currently in - as far as scientists can agree - an interglacial period, and for a long time people have been expecting the climate to cool. But the truth is, we simply don't know.
The climate has, and always will be, in a state of constant flux and there are numerous factors that affect it, many of which are still not properly understood. Despite all sorts of claims to the contrary, climate science is far from settled, and scientists still don't know why these rapid warming and cooling periods happened*. But one thing's for certain, they were not related to human activity.
When scientists are unable to accurately forecast weather over periods of just a few weeks (or even days), I think we should be very wary of any predictions based on limited data.
*Malenkovich cycles are one such theory; they're an interesting idea, but they do not explain all sorts of climate fluctuations. |  |
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 16:42 - Mar 13 with 96 views | slmrstid |
I'd happily get the train to QPR instead of driving (and occasionally do) but the cost compared to driving is astronomical and just not worth it economically for me.
Its ridiculous, really, I fully agree me doing a 200 mile round trip solo in a car is really inefficient, but its also significantly cheaper! |  | | |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 16:45 - Mar 13 with 92 views | GaryHaddock |
| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 16:42 - Mar 13 by slmrstid |
I'd happily get the train to QPR instead of driving (and occasionally do) but the cost compared to driving is astronomical and just not worth it economically for me.
Its ridiculous, really, I fully agree me doing a 200 mile round trip solo in a car is really inefficient, but its also significantly cheaper! |
The problem in a nutshell. Same goes for purchasing electric cars. [Post edited 13 Mar 16:46]
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| The Upcoming COP30 climate summit in Brazil on 16:53 - Mar 13 with 80 views | kensalriser |
Some of you might think you're smart and informed enough to argue with NASA. Not me.
"Since the pre-industrial period, human activities are estimated to have increased Earth’s global average temperature by about 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit), a number that is currently increasing by more than 0.2 degrees Celsius (0.36 degrees Fahrenheit) per decade. The current warming trend is unequivocally the result of human activity since the 1950s and is proceeding at an unprecedented rate over millennia."
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