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Disappointed 16:39 - Mar 8 with 14697 viewsT_Block

Get the feeling this manager has taken these players as far as he can.
Manager not the problem-let’s admit it it’s the players.

To me do not look even close to scoring.
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Disappointed on 08:57 - Mar 10 with 1560 viewsessextaxiboy

Disappointed on 19:36 - Mar 9 by Benny_the_Ball

Actually, Clive's analogy attracted up arrows. Again this shows the importance of reading carefully before responding!


Actually I demonstrated the importance of getting the wording correct .! I meant the OP was down arrowed ... 15 now
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Disappointed on 13:14 - Mar 10 with 1312 viewsBenny_the_Ball

Disappointed on 08:57 - Mar 10 by essextaxiboy

Actually I demonstrated the importance of getting the wording correct .! I meant the OP was down arrowed ... 15 now


Either way, it demonstrates a propensity by some on this board to react too quickly. To be clear, not a criticism of you, just highlighting how easy it is to slip.

For me the Curbishley analogy reinforces the OP's point and demonstrates how perception alters reactions. Clive and the OP are broadly making the same point (that the manager isn't the problem) yet one gets umpteen up arrows, the other umpteen down arrows. It's as if some folk are paying more attention to who's talking rather than what's being said.
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Disappointed on 13:18 - Mar 10 with 1303 viewsBenny_the_Ball

Disappointed on 21:10 - Mar 9 by stainrods_elbow

If MC has indeed taken the team as far as he can, the fairly obvious conclusion is that this mainly flags up his limits as a coach, I'd have thought.


Au contraire. If you read the OP's entire paragraph (as opposed to focusing on just the first sentence) then the obvious conclusion is that the players are limited and there's only so much that MC (or indeed any manager) can get out of them.

As the time-honoured saying goes, a manager is only as good as his players.
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Disappointed on 14:54 - Mar 10 with 1220 viewsTheChef

Disappointed on 15:31 - Mar 9 by derbyhoop

There's a fair bit of guesswork in this thread.
1. Marti rested Varane and Frey, rather than them being injured
2. There's a major rebuild coming this Summer. Assumption that all OOC players are not going to be here.

Of course it was disappointing to lose. Hardly unprecedented. The issue for me was how little we created, especially against 10 men for 45.


Why is it that for like the last five years, every summer is a 'big summer'?

Are we just not very good at contract management and every year we have a shed load of players coming out of contract? (slightly rhetorical question)

I've no doubt in the ten games remaining Marti will do his best to keep the players honest, but with the loanees and the out of contract players I think the beach towels and whiff of factor 30 will be coming into play.

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Disappointed on 15:14 - Mar 10 with 1169 viewsOldPedro

Disappointed on 14:54 - Mar 10 by TheChef

Why is it that for like the last five years, every summer is a 'big summer'?

Are we just not very good at contract management and every year we have a shed load of players coming out of contract? (slightly rhetorical question)

I've no doubt in the ten games remaining Marti will do his best to keep the players honest, but with the loanees and the out of contract players I think the beach towels and whiff of factor 30 will be coming into play.


I think it's just the way football and contracts are going. Lots of clubs seem to have a big turnover of players in the summer

Extra mature cheddar......a simple cheese for a simple man

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Disappointed on 15:15 - Mar 10 with 1143 viewsstainrods_elbow

Disappointed on 13:14 - Mar 10 by Benny_the_Ball

Either way, it demonstrates a propensity by some on this board to react too quickly. To be clear, not a criticism of you, just highlighting how easy it is to slip.

For me the Curbishley analogy reinforces the OP's point and demonstrates how perception alters reactions. Clive and the OP are broadly making the same point (that the manager isn't the problem) yet one gets umpteen up arrows, the other umpteen down arrows. It's as if some folk are paying more attention to who's talking rather than what's being said.


Re your last sentence and LfW, in other news, the Pope has also been revealed to be a Catholic!

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Disappointed on 15:23 - Mar 10 with 1127 viewsRangersw12

Disappointed on 17:07 - Mar 8 by Match82

Good job we have the opportunity to bring other players into the squad in the summer then.


Just shame it's the same recruitment team who've failed for years that will be doing it

[Post edited 10 Mar 15:39]
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Disappointed on 18:06 - Mar 11 with 819 viewsnumptydumpty

Disappointed on 21:57 - Mar 9 by perpignanR

No need to take that attitude mate. You are always welcome to post on here.
Maybe stop and think about what you are posting occasionally might help.


I post what I believe...

Your advice makes no sense

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Disappointed on 22:27 - Mar 11 with 661 viewsperpignanR

Disappointed on 18:06 - Mar 11 by numptydumpty

I post what I believe...

Your advice makes no sense


You seem to have taken offence at a humorous post from Colin all cars for some reason.
Your post re injured players you admitted you’ve made up. You say you won’t post again and you have just posted again.
Dear God. This board sometimes.
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Disappointed on 07:24 - Mar 12 with 378 viewsnumptydumpty

Disappointed on 22:27 - Mar 11 by perpignanR

You seem to have taken offence at a humorous post from Colin all cars for some reason.
Your post re injured players you admitted you’ve made up. You say you won’t post again and you have just posted again.
Dear God. This board sometimes.


I just stated my opinion. I said it was a guess. What's wrong with that.

Wasn't responding to anyone specific. Stated a few were having a pop at my opinion, a bit harshly from my perspective.

Sometimes I accidentally press reply to specific post as against normal reply by accident. My touch screen abilities, a bit more lacking than others unfortunately.

For some reason, you want to get me to bite.

Look, I will not.

Have a good day.

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Disappointed on 09:35 - Mar 12 with 198 viewsTheChef

I admire the manager's footballing principles but I'm not sure they tally with what is required to be a successful Championship side.

I appreciate he has done an amazing job given the squad at his disposal, especially the lack of strikers, but every time he feels he can move away from the pragmatic approach which gets us results (and in his mind probably not the shexy football he wants to play), our results tend to fall off a cliff. And it doesn't seem that the penny has dropped with him.

Of course he might get fed up with that too and if a better offer comes along to go to a club with better players more attuned to his style, he'll probably be off.

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