| Time to play our own 23:00 - Mar 1 with 2756 views | Ned_Kennedys |
After the last couple of results we are clearly destined for the lowest of mid tables so what is the point of playing Edwards and Min-hyeok as they will never sign for us. Drop them and get Morrison and Smyth back in the starting line up as they are ours. I’m assuming Saito will be signed so he should be starting. |  | | |  |
| Time to play our own on 06:04 - Mar 2 with 2164 views | QPROslo |
Imo we should play what Marti considers to be his best available team at least until we are mathematically safe in the Championship next season. With tough games coming up, 11 still to play and only 44 points, we are away off that still. |  | | |
| Time to play our own on 07:19 - Mar 2 with 2069 views | Ned_Kennedys |
We’re 13 points clear with a far better goal difference: far more chance of getting in the playoffs than getting relegated. Based on today’s performances Smyth should be starting ahead of Min-hyeok anyhow. | | | |
| Time to play our own on 07:57 - Mar 2 with 1977 views | numptydumpty |
Am wondering if we have Yang next season, as otherwise was a strange signing where we have strength in depth and perhaps also, which again would be strange, we had to committ to playing him from the start in a specific number of games if he is fit.
I am thinking we have Yang next season also as he is clearly not ready to play in the premier league.
Yes I would start Smyth ahead of him with Yang coming on for cameos, if necessary.
Playing Morgan in the 10 role didn't work and think Chair is key in that role and with Dembele coming back, would have him as sub in that role. Morgan has done exceptionally well but he is young, again sub appearances would suit.
Definitely start Saito, and I really hope he is ours next season.
Edwards was signed correctly in my view as Fox, JCS, Cook and Morrison have all had injury issues this season, but yes he would be not starting now for me, after we have another six points and Fox, Morrison, Cook all injury free. Sadly, I have given up on JCS. |  |
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| Time to play our own on 08:18 - Mar 2 with 1925 views | mart_Goblin |
Agree with the sentiment but I think part of the loan deal , for Edwards anyway, might be that he starts if fit. I don’t know that . I just think Southampton would put that clause in so it benefits them for next season.
I do agree however that Morrison should be getting minutes .
I just think that Marti wants to get us safe first . I know it’s unlikely that we will go down now but it is this season that we won 2 in 17 games. We finish with anything like that sort of run again and we won’t be far away from the dotted line. I think he is aware of that and once we do get the points needed he will look to next seasons availability. Unfortunately with our current upcoming fixtures it might be a few weeks away yet . |  | | |
| Time to play our own on 08:34 - Mar 2 with 1883 views | Hastings_Hoops |
I have no problem with us playing the spurs kid in the first half of each match, but making clear that he’ll come off at half time and Smyth will come on AT HALF TIME AND NONE OF THIS WIERD 60min TRACKSUIT OFF ANS GET READY COMING ON AT 70min STUFF! it’s been a while since Smyth came on fresh against tired legs and it worked a treat.
I would like to see Morrison paired with Edwards a couple of times. If it doesn’t work, that’s fine, we can bring Cook on.
Sorry for the CAPS LOCK - it really boils my pi$$ |  | | |
| Time to play our own on 14:12 - Mar 2 with 1558 views | GaryHaddock |
Probably for the first time in history, I agree with NK (in principle at least) on something.
I don’t know how much it’s worth to the club financially, but assuming it’s a lot, their catch 22 will be letting go of the Yang Min-Hyeok Korean marketing money.
Another factor I guess is how much dropping these lads would damage our reputation with clubs we might want to do business with in the future. If we garner a reputation as welshers of loanee’s expected playing time that’s not going to help when we are trying to sign young players that are leaving the bigger clubs.
The bottom line is we probably shouldn’t have loaned them in the first place. |  | | |
| Time to play our own on 14:38 - Mar 2 with 1481 views | Hayesender |
There was one point in the first half yesterday where Cook seemed to be running backwards, almost Bob Malcolm style. Either he's not fully fit, or father time has caught up with him.
Would definitely like to see Morrison given a chance again |  |
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| Time to play our own on 16:10 - Mar 2 with 1335 views | KensalT |
| Time to play our own on 14:12 - Mar 2 by GaryHaddock |
Probably for the first time in history, I agree with NK (in principle at least) on something.
I don’t know how much it’s worth to the club financially, but assuming it’s a lot, their catch 22 will be letting go of the Yang Min-Hyeok Korean marketing money.
Another factor I guess is how much dropping these lads would damage our reputation with clubs we might want to do business with in the future. If we garner a reputation as welshers of loanee’s expected playing time that’s not going to help when we are trying to sign young players that are leaving the bigger clubs.
The bottom line is we probably shouldn’t have loaned them in the first place. |
The (probable) bottom line is that there were incentives and penalties written into the loan arrangements.
Given that we are solidly in mid-table and unlikely to go up or down, playing a couple of PL loanees now if we are incentivised to do so, or there's a chance of bringing in some decent players from Spurs or Southampton in the future is probably a trade-off worth making.
Much as I like Paul Smyth and value his work rate and particularly his pace, since returning to us in 2023 he has only managed four goals and four assists in 79 league appearances. That's roughly a goal involvement every ten games. Not a great return for an attacker.
https://footystats.org/players/northern-ireland/paul-smyth | | | |
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| Time to play our own on 18:38 - Mar 2 with 1183 views | lassel |
Agreed, let’s burn our future relationship with two ‘haves’ with bloated squads. | | | |
| Time to play our own on 19:03 - Mar 2 with 1142 views | Paddyhoops |
| Time to play our own on 07:19 - Mar 2 by Ned_Kennedys |
We’re 13 points clear with a far better goal difference: far more chance of getting in the playoffs than getting relegated. Based on today’s performances Smyth should be starting ahead of Min-hyeok anyhow. |
Never thought I’d say this but we look a poorer team staying without Smyth .
Think he’s been great this season | | | |
| Time to play our own on 19:31 - Mar 2 with 1045 views | KensalT |
| Time to play our own on 19:03 - Mar 2 by Paddyhoops |
Never thought I’d say this but we look a poorer team staying without Smyth .
Think he’s been great this season |
I agree. His pace in particular makes a big difference to us.
But his end product leaves a lot to be desired.
If you want to put a positive spin on it then he has already played more minutes this season than last season (2278 v 2182). He has earned himself a breather. | | | |
| Time to play our own on 19:38 - Mar 2 with 1024 views | Match82 |
| Time to play our own on 14:12 - Mar 2 by GaryHaddock |
Probably for the first time in history, I agree with NK (in principle at least) on something.
I don’t know how much it’s worth to the club financially, but assuming it’s a lot, their catch 22 will be letting go of the Yang Min-Hyeok Korean marketing money.
Another factor I guess is how much dropping these lads would damage our reputation with clubs we might want to do business with in the future. If we garner a reputation as welshers of loanee’s expected playing time that’s not going to help when we are trying to sign young players that are leaving the bigger clubs.
The bottom line is we probably shouldn’t have loaned them in the first place. |
I think it's this last factor which is the most relevant. If we want the best loan players in the future (and, possibly, pay less for those loans) then showing we are actually helping those players play and develop isn't something other clubs will overlook.
Style of play too, it's why Warburton had an easier time getting good players on loan than Ainsworth did. |  | | |
| Time to play our own on 19:59 - Mar 2 with 966 views | eastside_r |
| Time to play our own on 16:10 - Mar 2 by KensalT |
The (probable) bottom line is that there were incentives and penalties written into the loan arrangements.
Given that we are solidly in mid-table and unlikely to go up or down, playing a couple of PL loanees now if we are incentivised to do so, or there's a chance of bringing in some decent players from Spurs or Southampton in the future is probably a trade-off worth making.
Much as I like Paul Smyth and value his work rate and particularly his pace, since returning to us in 2023 he has only managed four goals and four assists in 79 league appearances. That's roughly a goal involvement every ten games. Not a great return for an attacker.
https://footystats.org/players/northern-ireland/paul-smyth |
Re. Your first sentence, I concur.
I doubt loan agreements ever state that a player has to be picked but there are definitely (financial) penalty clauses where if the stipulated number or games and / or minutes are not played, then the loan costs more.
Not saying it’s the case with QPR at the moment but it is a possibility. |  | | |
| Time to play our own on 20:12 - Mar 2 with 900 views | GaryBannister86 |
Couldn't agree more, Ned. Absolutely hate loans where there is no possibility of signing them. I couldn't care less about Edwards and even more so Min-hyeok. I get the point about keeping Spurs onside, but Southampton?
And what about keeping two players in Smyth and Morrison happy and improving, especially as they were pivotal to our improvement.
Loans = club and manager cop out. |  | | |
| Time to play our own on 20:15 - Mar 2 with 882 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Time to play our own on 18:38 - Mar 2 by lassel |
Agreed, let’s burn our future relationship with two ‘haves’ with bloated squads. |
Don’t be so melodramatic.
And Southampton will be at our level next season so we hardly need to be tugging our forelock in their direction and preparing one of their likely Championship first team players for them do we. | | | |
| Time to play our own on 20:17 - Mar 2 with 848 views | Northernr |
As I've just put on another thread, if you pick a team of fit and available players who are contracted to us next season it currently looks something like...
Nardi
Manufor Morrison Lehy Friel/Esquerdinha
Varane Morgan
Smyth Madsen Chair
Lloyd |  | | |
| Time to play our own on 20:51 - Mar 2 with 737 views | mart_Goblin |
Only 3 weeks ago , we beat Blackburn and Edwards was the best thing since sliced bread .
Lost a few and it’s him who shouldn’t be playing .
Peculiar .
I do understand part of the argument .Smyth had earned the right to start in front of Yang in my opinion. As I said on other thread , maybe Smyth is dealing with a problem we don’t know about ?
So maybe cover was needed but surely cover in other areas was more necessary ?
But with Cook and Morrison out and JCS being ..well JCS , we had to get cover in the January transfer window . Whether we had an option to buy or not we had to get someone in .
Strange that Fox came on for Morrison . To me that was an odd choice by Marti. But he knows more than I and anybody on here does about who to play and who not too . | | | |
| Time to play our own on 20:58 - Mar 2 with 706 views | Myke |
| Time to play our own on 20:51 - Mar 2 by mart_Goblin |
Only 3 weeks ago , we beat Blackburn and Edwards was the best thing since sliced bread .
Lost a few and it’s him who shouldn’t be playing .
Peculiar .
I do understand part of the argument .Smyth had earned the right to start in front of Yang in my opinion. As I said on other thread , maybe Smyth is dealing with a problem we don’t know about ?
So maybe cover was needed but surely cover in other areas was more necessary ?
But with Cook and Morrison out and JCS being ..well JCS , we had to get cover in the January transfer window . Whether we had an option to buy or not we had to get someone in .
Strange that Fox came on for Morrison . To me that was an odd choice by Marti. But he knows more than I and anybody on here does about who to play and who not too . |
Is it not a thing that for each place we finish in the league we receive x amount of money? So the higher we finish the more money we make? So we play our strongest team to try to achieve our highest possible position. Irrelevant if the player is contracted for the next four years or three months. | | | |
| Time to play our own on 21:36 - Mar 2 with 599 views | daveB |
just pick our best team, if that includes players who might not be here next year thats fine, we should be trying to win games now not worrying about next season or beyond |  | | |
| Time to play our own on 21:48 - Mar 2 with 570 views | GaryHaddock |
| Time to play our own on 20:51 - Mar 2 by mart_Goblin |
Only 3 weeks ago , we beat Blackburn and Edwards was the best thing since sliced bread .
Lost a few and it’s him who shouldn’t be playing .
Peculiar .
I do understand part of the argument .Smyth had earned the right to start in front of Yang in my opinion. As I said on other thread , maybe Smyth is dealing with a problem we don’t know about ?
So maybe cover was needed but surely cover in other areas was more necessary ?
But with Cook and Morrison out and JCS being ..well JCS , we had to get cover in the January transfer window . Whether we had an option to buy or not we had to get someone in .
Strange that Fox came on for Morrison . To me that was an odd choice by Marti. But he knows more than I and anybody on here does about who to play and who not too . |
Edwards is class. So is Heung.
It’s not about ability or even this season. It’s about the long term for me. It might work this time, but text time it could be Tyler Roberts and Ethan Laird.
Own club players have to buy in to the ethos because their future depends on it. That a powerful motivator that could get you out of the bottom 3 or slip you into 6th. | | | |
| Time to play our own on 21:55 - Mar 2 with 537 views | KensalT |
| Time to play our own on 20:58 - Mar 2 by Myke |
Is it not a thing that for each place we finish in the league we receive x amount of money? So the higher we finish the more money we make? So we play our strongest team to try to achieve our highest possible position. Irrelevant if the player is contracted for the next four years or three months. |
Each PL place is worth about an extra £3m.
https://goaltheball.com/premier-league-prize-money/
I haven't been able to find anything online from the EFL about prize money but this thread last year on a Leicester forum does give details and it's nothing like the PL. It basically says the difference between 12th and 16th is about £100k
https://www.foxestalk.co.uk/topic/132060-the-championship-thread-20232024/page/3
Which probably explains why so many EFL sides are "on the beach" once they know they're safe but can't go up. | | | |
| Time to play our own on 21:58 - Mar 2 with 530 views | KensalT |
| Time to play our own on 21:48 - Mar 2 by GaryHaddock |
Edwards is class. So is Heung.
It’s not about ability or even this season. It’s about the long term for me. It might work this time, but text time it could be Tyler Roberts and Ethan Laird.
Own club players have to buy in to the ethos because their future depends on it. That a powerful motivator that could get you out of the bottom 3 or slip you into 6th. |
One thing you can say for Nourry is that the quality of player we are bringing in on loan seems to have gone up. | | | |
| Time to play our own on 22:00 - Mar 2 with 519 views | gazza1 |
I want MC to pick his best team even if its a loan player and the 'season is over' in terms of promotion or relegation.
The manager and all of the staff will want a winning team and the players want to play in a winning team. The board and directors will also want a winning team as well.
Playing players who are 'not quite there yet' may give them a bit of experience but it can also knock their confidence for 6. | | | |
| Time to play our own on 22:25 - Mar 2 with 452 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Time to play our own on 20:51 - Mar 2 by mart_Goblin |
Only 3 weeks ago , we beat Blackburn and Edwards was the best thing since sliced bread .
Lost a few and it’s him who shouldn’t be playing .
Peculiar .
I do understand part of the argument .Smyth had earned the right to start in front of Yang in my opinion. As I said on other thread , maybe Smyth is dealing with a problem we don’t know about ?
So maybe cover was needed but surely cover in other areas was more necessary ?
But with Cook and Morrison out and JCS being ..well JCS , we had to get cover in the January transfer window . Whether we had an option to buy or not we had to get someone in .
Strange that Fox came on for Morrison . To me that was an odd choice by Marti. But he knows more than I and anybody on here does about who to play and who not too . |
You’ve totally missed the point which is clear in my OP.
Not saying Edwards hasn’t got the ability but he should not be playing now Morrison is fit and we have little to play for.
We agree that Smyth should be starting. | | | |
| Time to play our own on 22:35 - Mar 2 with 411 views | gazza1 |
| Time to play our own on 22:25 - Mar 2 by Ned_Kennedys |
You’ve totally missed the point which is clear in my OP.
Not saying Edwards hasn’t got the ability but he should not be playing now Morrison is fit and we have little to play for.
We agree that Smyth should be starting. |
Would you send Edwards back to Southampton then?? | | | |
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