| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 18:30 - Feb 8 with 3661 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 10:33 - Feb 8 by Esox_Lucius |
61,079 as of 5 days ago. Criticism of Israel and Netanyahu is justified, criticism of Jews isn't. |
A big part of the problem is those idiots who go on wilfully conflating Judaism and Zionism, as if critique of the latter is automatically an anti-Semitic attack on the former. (And as if all Jews supported the actions of their totalitarian/genocidal government, or even the State of Israel, which many don't.) If anyone should be de-platformed it's goons like them.
As for our owner, I'd say it's a pretty reasonable political opinion he's amplifying when you look at what's been done to Gaza and its people (and it's clearly not stopping there for Netanyahu's war machine in the Middle East). |  |
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| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 20:01 - Feb 8 with 3512 views | tommytanker |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 14:10 - Feb 8 by Esox_Lucius |
The official number of dead counted. There are thousands still under rubble which can't be counted. |
Official Hamas numbers......sigh. |  | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 20:10 - Feb 8 with 3484 views | captainmycaptian |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 14:36 - Feb 8 by lassel |
You guys must really hate North to be posting this shite… |
See this is what happens when you go out in the 3rd round all the time !!! | | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 20:15 - Feb 8 with 3469 views | texasranger |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 17:50 - Feb 8 by Esox_Lucius |
You DO know that this didn't start October before last don't you? It began in 1948. |
Indeed I do, having been just ten years old when the State of Israel was created. It seems to have been under attack physically and verbally ever since and I have never understood why. To me, saying that Israel's response has been excessive and unjustified is like saying the Allies overdid it in winning WW2. | | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 09:19 - Feb 9 with 3078 views | hubble |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 18:30 - Feb 8 by stainrods_elbow |
A big part of the problem is those idiots who go on wilfully conflating Judaism and Zionism, as if critique of the latter is automatically an anti-Semitic attack on the former. (And as if all Jews supported the actions of their totalitarian/genocidal government, or even the State of Israel, which many don't.) If anyone should be de-platformed it's goons like them.
As for our owner, I'd say it's a pretty reasonable political opinion he's amplifying when you look at what's been done to Gaza and its people (and it's clearly not stopping there for Netanyahu's war machine in the Middle East). |
"It's a pretty reasonable political opinion he's amplifying".
Are you effing kidding me?
Our owner shared posts calling for Israel to be ‘dismantled’ and praising Hezbollah. Yeah, that's right, the genocidal terrorist organisation who have vowed to wipe Israel from the face of the earth.
Then he goes on to repost conspiracy theories that Israel ‘owns’ the US, citing paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein as evidence.
But hey, that's a reasonable opinion, nothing to look at here. There are plenty of tone deaf posts in this thread, but for me this takes the biscuit:
"I felt pretty unsettled this week when Trump stated he would have no issue displacing two million people from their homes to turn their land into a luxury destination... "
Oh dear, so because you felt "unsettled" by something Trump said, then by extension, it's okay for our owner to tarnish the good name of our club and alienate our many Jewish fans with these vile and ignorant opinions, is it? Wow. Just wow. |  |
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| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 09:35 - Feb 9 with 3019 views | JAPRANGERS |
What a stupid comment, unbelievable!
Anyway I thought that no political threads were allowed on LFW now?
I hope Clive deletes this thread immediately. |  | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 09:37 - Feb 9 with 3008 views | LisbonR |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 09:19 - Feb 9 by hubble |
"It's a pretty reasonable political opinion he's amplifying".
Are you effing kidding me?
Our owner shared posts calling for Israel to be ‘dismantled’ and praising Hezbollah. Yeah, that's right, the genocidal terrorist organisation who have vowed to wipe Israel from the face of the earth.
Then he goes on to repost conspiracy theories that Israel ‘owns’ the US, citing paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein as evidence.
But hey, that's a reasonable opinion, nothing to look at here. There are plenty of tone deaf posts in this thread, but for me this takes the biscuit:
"I felt pretty unsettled this week when Trump stated he would have no issue displacing two million people from their homes to turn their land into a luxury destination... "
Oh dear, so because you felt "unsettled" by something Trump said, then by extension, it's okay for our owner to tarnish the good name of our club and alienate our many Jewish fans with these vile and ignorant opinions, is it? Wow. Just wow. |
He's absolutely entitled to his opinion, just as others are entitled to disagree with it. Disagreeing with someone doesn’t mean they don’t have the right to express their views.
At the same time, Jewish fans, like all communities, should have better ways to engage with difficult opinions rather than outright dismissing or reacting emotionally to them. Many supporters who oppose the actions of Israel have had to confront deeply distressing realities about the destruction and suffering in the region, yet they continue to engage in discourse rather than shutting it down.
You call these opinions "vile and ignorant," but let’s not ignore the widespread suffering and devastation that Israel has inflicted on thousands of innocent people. Criticism of a nation-state’s actions is not the same as antisemitism. It is entirely possible to oppose both terrorism and state-led atrocities at the same time.
If Trump’s comments about displacing two million people to build a luxury resort don’t unsettle you, then perhaps the discussion here is already at an impasse. However, just as people have the right to be outraged at certain views, others have the right to be disturbed by policies and actions that actively harm millions.
Ultimately, if we only defend free speech when we agree with it, then we aren’t defending free speech at all. |  | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 09:43 - Feb 9 with 2985 views | davman |
Amazing how people can interpret a few clicks on a computer in all the ways this thread and other commentary has done. He might have considered long and hard before clicking "like" or he may have read a couple of lines that he agreed with and clicked. I do it on here frequently when someone says "Chair was amazin" before retracting it two lines later when I read "BUT I wish he'd cross earlier".
The world of the internet means that you are opening yourselves up to all sorts of analysis for just having an opinion. Everyone has them and everyone seems comfortable that they know your entire persona and views by reading one or two lines on X or what you have and what you have liked.
Was it I'll advised? Of course it was. Does it make him a rabid anti-semite? Not necessarily, but some seem to think so. As with all stuff on the soch, the truth is somewhere in between... |  |
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| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 09:49 - Feb 9 with 2944 views | hubble |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 09:37 - Feb 9 by LisbonR |
He's absolutely entitled to his opinion, just as others are entitled to disagree with it. Disagreeing with someone doesn’t mean they don’t have the right to express their views.
At the same time, Jewish fans, like all communities, should have better ways to engage with difficult opinions rather than outright dismissing or reacting emotionally to them. Many supporters who oppose the actions of Israel have had to confront deeply distressing realities about the destruction and suffering in the region, yet they continue to engage in discourse rather than shutting it down.
You call these opinions "vile and ignorant," but let’s not ignore the widespread suffering and devastation that Israel has inflicted on thousands of innocent people. Criticism of a nation-state’s actions is not the same as antisemitism. It is entirely possible to oppose both terrorism and state-led atrocities at the same time.
If Trump’s comments about displacing two million people to build a luxury resort don’t unsettle you, then perhaps the discussion here is already at an impasse. However, just as people have the right to be outraged at certain views, others have the right to be disturbed by policies and actions that actively harm millions.
Ultimately, if we only defend free speech when we agree with it, then we aren’t defending free speech at all. |
So you don't think the owner of our football club has a responsibilty to the good name of the club and its community of diverse fans? You think it's absolutely okay for him to express vile and racist views?
"At the same time, Jewish fans, like all communities, should have better ways to engage with difficult opinions rather than outright dismissing or reacting emotionally to them."
Oh, and good of you to speak on behalf of all our Jewish fans and tell them they shouldn't react emotionally. Tone deaf doesn't cover it. Wow. | |
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| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 10:21 - Feb 9 with 2880 views | Watford_Ranger |
If you’re making excuses or justifying all of the comments he’s made and endorsed/amplified then you might not be a good person. Aimed at any other group nobody would admit to thinking that way. It’s a horrible reflection on the club whether you think it should be or not. | | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 11:43 - Feb 9 with 2735 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 09:49 - Feb 9 by hubble |
So you don't think the owner of our football club has a responsibilty to the good name of the club and its community of diverse fans? You think it's absolutely okay for him to express vile and racist views?
"At the same time, Jewish fans, like all communities, should have better ways to engage with difficult opinions rather than outright dismissing or reacting emotionally to them."
Oh, and good of you to speak on behalf of all our Jewish fans and tell them they shouldn't react emotionally. Tone deaf doesn't cover it. Wow. |
Just what do you think the IDF have been doing over the las year or so, in recent times and over decades since 1948. If you think Israel's actions are beyond criticism or Trumps vow to clear Palestinians from their own land to build a luxury resort and gain access to the vast gas reserves just off that coast are commendable then perhaps it is YOUR moral compass is off.
You appear to be quite happy to conflate anti Israel with anti semitism and ignore the many Jewish voices that are very opposed to what Israel is doing. Netanyahu is internationally recognised as a genocidal criminal; that has nothing to do with anti semitism, and everything to do with humanity and compassion for a people being systematically eradicated from their homeland. It is YOU that is acting tone deaf here. |  |
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| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 11:49 - Feb 9 with 2715 views | ChrisNW6 |
is 2/1 still available for the Sunday lockdown 🤔
I think we've reached the point of polarisation and maybe get back to focusing on Cov away. | | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 12:16 - Feb 9 with 2627 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 11:49 - Feb 9 by ChrisNW6 |
is 2/1 still available for the Sunday lockdown 🤔
I think we've reached the point of polarisation and maybe get back to focusing on Cov away. |
I'm starting the match thread | | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 14:16 - Feb 9 with 2418 views | LisbonR |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 09:49 - Feb 9 by hubble |
So you don't think the owner of our football club has a responsibilty to the good name of the club and its community of diverse fans? You think it's absolutely okay for him to express vile and racist views?
"At the same time, Jewish fans, like all communities, should have better ways to engage with difficult opinions rather than outright dismissing or reacting emotionally to them."
Oh, and good of you to speak on behalf of all our Jewish fans and tell them they shouldn't react emotionally. Tone deaf doesn't cover it. Wow. |
I never said the owner doesn’t have a responsibility to the club or its fanbase. But criticism of Israel’s actions is not the same as racism, and it’s disingenuous to suggest that it is. He's entitled to his point of view even if it differs from that of others.
Regarding my point about Jewish fans engaging with difficult opinions, I wasn’t speaking on behalf of anyone - I was making the broader point that we all have to confront uncomfortable discussions, no matter where we stand on this issue.
That being said, I think it’s clear this debate isn’t going to go anywhere productive on here. People have entrenched views, and that’s not going to change. I’ve made my points, others have made theirs, and I don’t see much more coming from this beyond going in circles.
I’ll leave it at that.
You R’s.... | | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 14:16 - Feb 9 with 2364 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 20:15 - Feb 8 by texasranger |
Indeed I do, having been just ten years old when the State of Israel was created. It seems to have been under attack physically and verbally ever since and I have never understood why. To me, saying that Israel's response has been excessive and unjustified is like saying the Allies overdid it in winning WW2. |
Perhaps read a historical primer to address the chasm in your knowledge? It was/is colonised Arab land, essentially a politically engineered land-grab to create an artificial state. That's why the Palestinians have been a little bit aggy for decades. | |
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| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 15:48 - Feb 9 with 2246 views | Hooping_Mad |
1948? I though it started when they were expelled from their 'Homeland' in the 2nd century AD by Hadrian. | |
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| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 16:17 - Feb 9 with 2161 views | dmm |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 15:48 - Feb 9 by Hooping_Mad |
1948? I though it started when they were expelled from their 'Homeland' in the 2nd century AD by Hadrian. |
If you want to go back to ancient times, go back further. Israel drove out the Canaanites, the Indigenous people of that land, long before that. |  | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 17:20 - Feb 9 with 1984 views | DannyPaddox |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 16:17 - Feb 9 by dmm |
If you want to go back to ancient times, go back further. Israel drove out the Canaanites, the Indigenous people of that land, long before that. |
The Michael Canaanites? Not a lot of people know that. |  | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 17:26 - Feb 9 with 1962 views | flynnbo |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 17:20 - Feb 9 by DannyPaddox |
The Michael Canaanites? Not a lot of people know that. |
Desmond Decker missed out there. |  | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 17:31 - Feb 9 with 1929 views | Gus_iom |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 17:20 - Feb 9 by DannyPaddox |
The Michael Canaanites? Not a lot of people know that. |
"You were only supposed to blow the bl....."
Probs best not, actually | | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 18:11 - Feb 9 with 1806 views | wortonr |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 17:31 - Feb 9 by Gus_iom |
"You were only supposed to blow the bl....."
Probs best not, actually |
Firstly, it shouldn’t be hard for us all to agree that the comments were Ill advised. Beyond that, seems to me the rest of this thread isn’t appropriate for this forum. For those who feel the issue is personal to them they will sadly never agree. It’s much simpler for the rest of us to see the sad impact on both sides of this intractable situation. | | | |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well (n/t) on 20:54 - Feb 9 with 1566 views | BlackCrowe |
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| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 21:02 - Feb 9 with 1543 views | FredManRave |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 14:36 - Feb 8 by lassel |
You guys must really hate North to be posting this shite… |
Yeah, a massive lack of self awareness and more importantly, a total lack of respect for Clive, who has asked time and time again to keep this inflammatory, nothing to be gained or changed, in both real life and political opinions, well away from this message board.
But the usual suspects just carry on, risking the real possibility of there being one of these threads that breaks Clives back, so to speak, and he says enough is enough, and ALL LFWers would lose out as a result.
Can't you guys just start a WhatsApp group to discuss the political theme of the day, thus heeding the calls for that stuff not to be posted on here, so Clive and the rest of us can just come on here and enjoy the best of what this forum has to offer, which is Clive and his unwavering commitment to producing quality Rangers content that we ALL enjoy and the general football banter and the occasional light sided look on life with flat roofed pubs threads, etc.
Peace Out! |  |
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| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 09:34 - Feb 10 with 1144 views | BAWHoops |
An apology statement has been out out by Ruben
I wouldn't say it's the end of the matter really. But perhaps this a logical place to lock this thread |  |
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| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 11:46 - Feb 10 with 952 views | johnhoop |
| Just when it all seemed to be gong.so well on 21:02 - Feb 9 by FredManRave |
Yeah, a massive lack of self awareness and more importantly, a total lack of respect for Clive, who has asked time and time again to keep this inflammatory, nothing to be gained or changed, in both real life and political opinions, well away from this message board.
But the usual suspects just carry on, risking the real possibility of there being one of these threads that breaks Clives back, so to speak, and he says enough is enough, and ALL LFWers would lose out as a result.
Can't you guys just start a WhatsApp group to discuss the political theme of the day, thus heeding the calls for that stuff not to be posted on here, so Clive and the rest of us can just come on here and enjoy the best of what this forum has to offer, which is Clive and his unwavering commitment to producing quality Rangers content that we ALL enjoy and the general football banter and the occasional light sided look on life with flat roofed pubs threads, etc.
Peace Out! |
Post of the year so far. | | | |
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