| 3rd runway at heathrow 14:41 - Jan 29 with 5384 views | loftboy |
But don’t panic, the £12.50 ULEZ charge I pay every home game will negate it. |  |
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:15 - Jan 29 with 1244 views | GaryHaddock |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:13 - Jan 29 by daveB |
6 months ago was worst govertment in my lifetime and worst opposition, they've just switched roles now
Labour have been so disapointing and have opened the door to Farage being the next PM
The left are an absolute shambles these days, that should be where my political views go but they have left working people behind and I'm not sure what they stand for anymore.
At least with Trump he does what mad shit he said he was going to do rather than get in power and do something different, people who voted for him are getting what they voted for. You can't say that with our lot |
Labour are not left. That ship sailed in 1983. [Post edited 29 Jan 17:19]
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:16 - Jan 29 with 1238 views | Hayesender |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 16:42 - Jan 29 by swisscottage |
Air traffic pollution or climate change is not a valid argument against a 3rd runway.
By the time it is finally built which will be 10 years minimum, the odds will be that Airliners with Electric or at least Hybrid Jet Engines will have entered production. And with a more realistic timeline of 15+ years, that will be even more likely.
And to be fair to those about turning from their position 4 or 5 years ago based on climate change, the actuality of electric Jet Engines was a lot further away. And that's about the first time I've ever said anything vaguely in support of Starmer. [Post edited 29 Jan 16:44]
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I'm not a massive fan of flying, but I put my fears to the back of my mind, otherwise I'd never get to go anywhere. But fck me, there's not a chance in hell you'd get me on a plane with an electric engine |  |
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:16 - Jan 29 with 1238 views | daveB |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:15 - Jan 29 by GaryHaddock |
Labour are not left. That ship sailed in 1983. [Post edited 29 Jan 17:19]
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I know what you mean but they are seen as the left is what I meant |  | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:17 - Jan 29 with 1222 views | GaryHaddock |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:16 - Jan 29 by daveB |
I know what you mean but they are seen as the left is what I meant |
Ah yeah, totally.
Seeing Starmer accused of being a communist makes me giggle. | | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:28 - Jan 29 with 1161 views | SK_hoops |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 14:58 - Jan 29 by Juzzie |
Boris was infamous for his u-turns too. They all do it, left or right. Can't stand the lot of them. |
Left wing, right wing, it's all the same bird.
(Edit: just seen that has already been posted, nvm). [Post edited 29 Jan 17:30]
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:36 - Jan 29 with 1124 views | stowmarketrange |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:16 - Jan 29 by Hayesender |
I'm not a massive fan of flying, but I put my fears to the back of my mind, otherwise I'd never get to go anywhere. But fck me, there's not a chance in hell you'd get me on a plane with an electric engine |
They’ll be ok as long as not everyone is charging their phones at the same time.  |  | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:44 - Jan 29 with 1094 views | johann28 |
Grand announcements like these always smell to me like someone desperate to impress - in this case the Chancellor, who must know that the chances of this going through are very slim given the local opposition, especially from those who will lose their homes, and sheer costs (SO FAR estimated at an eye-watering £14 billion - by contrast, Gatwick expansion has been estimated at £2.2 billion). |  | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:44 - Jan 29 with 1089 views | kensalriser |
Loftboy, can't you park at Shenfield and get the train/Elizabeth line? That must be quicker and a lot less hassle than driving from there to LR. |  |
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:45 - Jan 29 with 1087 views | dmm |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 16:42 - Jan 29 by swisscottage |
Air traffic pollution or climate change is not a valid argument against a 3rd runway.
By the time it is finally built which will be 10 years minimum, the odds will be that Airliners with Electric or at least Hybrid Jet Engines will have entered production. And with a more realistic timeline of 15+ years, that will be even more likely.
And to be fair to those about turning from their position 4 or 5 years ago based on climate change, the actuality of electric Jet Engines was a lot further away. And that's about the first time I've ever said anything vaguely in support of Starmer. [Post edited 29 Jan 16:44]
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Do you honestly expect the world's airlines to switch to electric planes in 10 or 15 years? Even if the considerable challenges in creating commercial electric planes are overcome, the oil producing nations and industries will do everything in their power to stop that happening. And don't get me started on so called green aviation fuel! |  | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:56 - Jan 29 with 1029 views | stowmarketrange |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:44 - Jan 29 by kensalriser |
Loftboy, can't you park at Shenfield and get the train/Elizabeth line? That must be quicker and a lot less hassle than driving from there to LR. |
It’s £21.90 for a return from Shenfield to anywhere in zone 1 on the Elizabeth line and there is normally 3 of us in the car,so it isn’t very economical to use that route.And the parking is probably the same as we pay at Redbridge station. | | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:59 - Jan 29 with 1024 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 14:56 - Jan 29 by colinallcars |
He's been a huge disappointment to me too.
That said he's only been in for what, 4-5 months but I'm not optimistic. |
The bigger problem is that 5 months in, he's not made nor appeared to be a discernable difference to that which the UK has endured post-Brexit.
Being in opposition is considerably easier than government. People forget how hopelessly forlorn Thatcher's first few years were prior to the Falklands, and the new party in power often needs time to bed in to being in government. Blair, however, was considerably more savvy upon taking the reins; rolling out policies generally seen as favourable and having in Jonathan Powell, a smart operator as his chief of staff.
Starmer has already dropped his chief of staff and lead with decisions that have not gone down well. The winter fuel payments were particularly hard to explain. However, he's on to a loser from the outset in my view. I don't think the Tory press will give him a chance and will certainly seek to vilify at every opportunity above and beyond what was metered out to his five immediate predecessors who frequently deserved vilification.
But he does need to up his game because we can't necessarily rely upon the Argies to rouse themselves into action (although I suspect Senór Milei would be up for it) and that supposes we've kept our military capabilities up over the last 43 years, to being able to sail 8,000 miles south to engage in a conflict.
Frankly, when looking at the matter globally, there appear to be far too many egotistical and idiotic leaders in charge then there are clever ones. |  |
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:09 - Jan 29 with 987 views | charmr |
Imperial college have been hanging on to that lane for ages knowing they can sell it when the time comes. Both sides of that road has huge spaces.
What I’m not hearing from the current labour goverment is the complete bollocks that were continually spouted by the Tories ad nauseam that had nothing to do with any policies but just to irritate people and distract them.
The point is policies are driven by economic thinking and nothing is gauranteed to work. There is also economic thinking about big and grand does not work either from the thinking of the economist E.F Schumacher. Neo Liberalism is in charge with no plans to go away any time soon regardless who ever the ring master is.
Ps. Friend of mine has been waiting 30 odd years to get rid of his house through compulsory purchase who lives in Harmondswoth. [Post edited 29 Jan 18:27]
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:17 - Jan 29 with 957 views | NewYorkRanger |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 14:51 - Jan 29 by dmm |
Yet another act of utter hypocrisy by Starmer. He backed the action against the 3rd runway 4 or 5 years ago saying climate change was the priority. What an absolute charlatan he's turned out to be. |
Is it hypocrisy or could he have changed his mind over a long period of time when faced with new information? Don't get me wrong, I'm no Starmer fan boy, but if this is hypocrisy it surely means no-one is ever entitled to change their mind about anything? |  |
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:21 - Jan 29 with 930 views | Toast_R |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:17 - Jan 29 by NewYorkRanger |
Is it hypocrisy or could he have changed his mind over a long period of time when faced with new information? Don't get me wrong, I'm no Starmer fan boy, but if this is hypocrisy it surely means no-one is ever entitled to change their mind about anything? |
Not a penny on your council tax....
Waiting for those bills to drop for April. |  | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:28 - Jan 29 with 880 views | charmr |
Worst government in your lifetime. What are you 6 months old. Strewth. | | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:35 - Jan 29 with 812 views | dmm |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:17 - Jan 29 by NewYorkRanger |
Is it hypocrisy or could he have changed his mind over a long period of time when faced with new information? Don't get me wrong, I'm no Starmer fan boy, but if this is hypocrisy it surely means no-one is ever entitled to change their mind about anything? |
What would that new information be exactly? | | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:37 - Jan 29 with 794 views | Gloucs_R |
Does this affect our training ground at all? |  |
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:43 - Jan 29 with 776 views | loftboy |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 17:44 - Jan 29 by kensalriser |
Loftboy, can't you park at Shenfield and get the train/Elizabeth line? That must be quicker and a lot less hassle than driving from there to LR. |
Because I pick up Stowmarket Ranger I come down the M11,there always seems to be weekend works on the A12 currently. | |
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:46 - Jan 29 with 765 views | dmm |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:37 - Jan 29 by Gloucs_R |
Does this affect our training ground at all? |
The training ground would be a good distance away going east so I don't think it would affect it other than more plane noise. | | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:47 - Jan 29 with 753 views | charmr |
Every lousy Monday morning Heathrow jets go flying over our home. | | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 19:12 - Jan 29 with 683 views | daveB |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:28 - Jan 29 by charmr |
Worst government in your lifetime. What are you 6 months old. Strewth. |
I said the one 6 months ago was the worst in my lifetime | | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 19:26 - Jan 29 with 637 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:37 - Jan 29 by Gloucs_R |
Does this affect our training ground at all? |
When an A380 takes off, you don't want to be taking a penalty! | |
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| 3rd runway at heathrow on 19:49 - Jan 29 with 590 views | colinallcars |
I was dead set against the expansion of the Grand Union canal into Paddington Basin in 1849.
Did they listen ? |  | | |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 19:50 - Jan 29 with 587 views | NewYorkRanger |
| 3rd runway at heathrow on 18:35 - Jan 29 by dmm |
What would that new information be exactly? |
I've no idea, and that wasn't the point of my post. It was more to see whether or not this is actual hypocrisy or a changed opinion. By the same token, You couldn't definitively state that there isn't new information he has been made aware of | |
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