| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? 15:10 - Jan 22 with 1898 views | cheeseydane |
With Cook and Morrison due back shortly, Fox showing good form, Edwards looking a class player, JCS an important left sided cog, and also JD I guess, who would you start with in a game of huge importance? For example a playoff game?
Could be a real dilemma for MC in the coming months. [Post edited 22 Jan 15:12]
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:11 - Jan 22 with 1489 views | AberystwythR |
Cook and Edwards for me |  | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:22 - Jan 22 with 1393 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:11 - Jan 22 by AberystwythR |
Cook and Edwards for me |
Cook and JCS when fit: play our own players over loan ones. |  | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:25 - Jan 22 with 1381 views | RBlock |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:22 - Jan 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
Cook and JCS when fit: play our own players over loan ones. |
Agreed - plus they are the most experienced. Edwards has been fantastic, but I'd sooner trust JCS in the play-off hypothetical that OP suggests. JCS needs to get fit though, he definitely seems to have reverted to previous his injury stricken self, rather than the dependable CB we had last season. |  | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:32 - Jan 22 with 1339 views | loftboy |
What a great situation to worry about, I think all our CB’s are up to the job and not to worried about which one starts. |  |
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:37 - Jan 22 with 1293 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Morrison and JCS. Cook probably leaving, Edwards not ours. | | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:38 - Jan 22 with 1291 views | GaryBannister86 |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:11 - Jan 22 by AberystwythR |
Cook and Edwards for me |
Why on earth play Edwards ahead of our own players unless there are no other bodies? I am with Ned, don't get that at all. Also, he's played three games, one of which he was terrible in and the other two he was goodish. No way he is ahead of JCS or Morrison or Fox in my view.
Play him when we have no-one else I reckon. |  | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:56 - Jan 22 with 1188 views | kensalriser |
Cook and JCS, no contest, and I'm sure they're Marti's first choice pair. |  |
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:58 - Jan 22 with 1185 views | numptydumpty |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:38 - Jan 22 by GaryBannister86 |
Why on earth play Edwards ahead of our own players unless there are no other bodies? I am with Ned, don't get that at all. Also, he's played three games, one of which he was terrible in and the other two he was goodish. No way he is ahead of JCS or Morrison or Fox in my view.
Play him when we have no-one else I reckon. |
Which they did in the last game.
There was only Ashby as defensive cover on the bench at the Hull game
The best defence for us is Cook and Morrison.
Edwards is better than Morrison but he is not ours, so currently would bench him.
Fox has done very well and as one of our permanent players is ahead of Edwards.
JCS is the one. He gets injured way too often. On his day and with no injury record, he is our classiest centre back but his injury record puts him at number 5 or even 6 centre back behind Dunne as well.
So my order is
1. Cook
2. Morrison
3. Fox
4. Edwards
5. Dunne
6. JCS |  |
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:06 - Jan 22 with 1147 views | CroydonCaptJack |
Wasn't the clue in the opening post 'if fit'?
So for me JCS and Cook. Did wonders for us the second half of last season. Fantastic that we have plenty of options there now. Morrison looks a real find. |  | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:11 - Jan 22 with 1118 views | gazza1 |
They all have their own playing skills, not a lot between all of them.
Dunne is RB so will only play CB in a emergency.......Cook is the Captain so I would expect him to play. Out of the others I would suggest JCS would play providing fully fit otherwise Edwards with Fox being a very capable CB or maybe LB in a flat back 4 if Paal is unfit or needing of a rest. Plus not forgetting Morrison at times of need but could be a close starter.
Difficult for MC but good for him to have choices. [Post edited 22 Jan 16:14]
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:15 - Jan 22 with 1093 views | GaryBannister86 |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:58 - Jan 22 by numptydumpty |
Which they did in the last game.
There was only Ashby as defensive cover on the bench at the Hull game
The best defence for us is Cook and Morrison.
Edwards is better than Morrison but he is not ours, so currently would bench him.
Fox has done very well and as one of our permanent players is ahead of Edwards.
JCS is the one. He gets injured way too often. On his day and with no injury record, he is our classiest centre back but his injury record puts him at number 5 or even 6 centre back behind Dunne as well.
So my order is
1. Cook
2. Morrison
3. Fox
4. Edwards
5. Dunne
6. JCS |
"Edwards is better than Morrison" - disagree. Forgetting the fact Edwards isn't ours, Morrison was excellent when paired with Cook. Really good. Edwards was awful at Leicester, had a game against Plymouth where I could have kept them out then played nicely against Hull. Not sure that is enough evidence to say he is better than Morrison. | | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:16 - Jan 22 with 1090 views | GaryHaddock |
We’ve not even talked about the Dundalk Cafu yet either.
We are blessed. |  | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:20 - Jan 22 with 1066 views | dannyblue |
Slight tangent but I’d like to see if JCS could reprise Dunne’s role at fullback, with perhaps a little more class on the ball. Those two either side of Cook/Morrison/Edwards/Fox, plus Varane and Field, would give us a very solid, tall and strong base. Especially with Paal likely leaving and our current style of play which doesn’t rely on possession. |  | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:21 - Jan 22 with 1056 views | Paddyhoops |
I was seriously worried when Cook and Morrison got injured but an astute loan signing and Morgan Fox who has really stepped it up in the last month or so and deserves enormous credit for it .
Marti makes players better and that’s the sign of a great coach.
Still have Cook and Jake as my pairing when fully fit . | | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:25 - Jan 22 with 1014 views | numptydumpty |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:15 - Jan 22 by GaryBannister86 |
"Edwards is better than Morrison" - disagree. Forgetting the fact Edwards isn't ours, Morrison was excellent when paired with Cook. Really good. Edwards was awful at Leicester, had a game against Plymouth where I could have kept them out then played nicely against Hull. Not sure that is enough evidence to say he is better than Morrison. |
I have put Morrison as second choice and Edwards as fourth.
Because he is a loan player.
But from the couple of games I have seen he is an excellent ball playing centre back
You can see him having a very decent career. It's about opinions, I guess. Am just going on intuition and what I have heard from those who had him all season, as well as what he is showing for us, so far. [Post edited 22 Jan 16:26]
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:31 - Jan 22 with 986 views | numptydumpty |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:06 - Jan 22 by CroydonCaptJack |
Wasn't the clue in the opening post 'if fit'?
So for me JCS and Cook. Did wonders for us the second half of last season. Fantastic that we have plenty of options there now. Morrison looks a real find. |
Ok re fit and firing.
Yes appreciate it's Cook and JCS, but JCS is hardly ever fit and that's the key, hence why I have him so low in the pecking order, we be better selling JCS for me, if we get a really decent offer.
Age is also in the real world needs to be considered so is it likely Cook is here next season, debatable also.
And then obviously who is currently ours.
All in the real world need to be accounted for, in selection decisions.... [Post edited 22 Jan 16:32]
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:34 - Jan 22 with 962 views | simmo |
Cook and JCS in a back 4 set up, and it's not really close IMO. Cook is experienced, our captain, and was playing at an extremely high level before his injury. JCS is fragile and injury prone - clearly - but when fit is the best CB we have and one of the best ball playing defenders in the league. Apart from them being our best, it also makes a massive difference to have right and left footed players on either side, as they split when we build up play.
As for the others, Morrison looked great in his run and is the natural successor to Cook (or possibly JCS) next season, that's a really good signing that represents a succession plan, but also someone that is good enough right now. Fox has done extremeley well in this recent run as the 'old head' alongside a young player, but is not to be relied on long term. Edwards has looked great, but ultimately is not our player.
It's definitely comforting though that we have such good options and don't have to rush anyone back too soon - as well as knowing we can win games without Cook, which didn't feel as obvious when he went out of the team. Whatever the debate, both JCS and Morrison look like they will miss a lot of games between them, so we'll need everyone until the end. |  |
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:36 - Jan 22 with 941 views | BrizR |
I thought we were unlikely to sign Edwards because Southampton will want to keep hold of him and we probably can't afford him, but there's now the amusing possibility that they go down and we go up and we do it anyway. | | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 16:58 - Jan 22 with 828 views | AberystwythR |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:22 - Jan 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
Cook and JCS when fit: play our own players over loan ones. |
Agree with this in regular league games as we do not and probably will not own Edwards, but in the originals posts question of a "one off game" e.g play off semi/final I think Edwards has shown to be more composed and better at playing out the back so would prioritise him over JCS with the benefit possibly being promotion.. fully aware that i may be a victim of recency bias there mind!! Regardless its a good problem to have!  | | | |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 17:37 - Jan 22 with 689 views | HAYESBOY |
No contest, as it would be Cook and JCS. The next problem would be who makes the bench?
Would you need all 3 on the bench of Edwards, Morrison and Fox?
I would say Fox has to be one as cover for left back and left sided centre half. |  |
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 17:43 - Jan 22 with 655 views | numptydumpty |
Other variable that might need to be considered re Edwards - is a lot of loans are signed under the provision that the loan player starts "x" number of games or makes " x" number of appearances.
Which obviously we have no knowledge of those details within Edwards contract loan specifics. [Post edited 22 Jan 17:45]
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 17:44 - Jan 22 with 653 views | Andybrat |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 15:56 - Jan 22 by kensalriser |
Cook and JCS, no contest, and I'm sure they're Marti's first choice pair. |
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 17:53 - Jan 22 with 620 views | cheeseydane |
Interesting mix of replies.
Those who say Edwards isn't ours so should be down the pecking order as he won't be here next season, does not the same apply to Cook who is out of contract in the summer? No sign of a new contract yet. So in a playoff final, do you play those who will be here next season, or those who won't. | |
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 17:56 - Jan 22 with 609 views | cheeseydane |
| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 17:53 - Jan 22 by cheeseydane |
Interesting mix of replies.
Those who say Edwards isn't ours so should be down the pecking order as he won't be here next season, does not the same apply to Cook who is out of contract in the summer? No sign of a new contract yet. So in a playoff final, do you play those who will be here next season, or those who won't. |
And yes I know, very hypertherical. But interesting nontheless. | |
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| If all fit and firing, who's first choice at CB? on 17:58 - Jan 22 with 585 views | Hooping_Mad |
Morrison is ours, got to play him when fit.
Relying on Cook after he recovers just recreates the problem we are currently solving. Think we need to look forward with what we own.
Post Edwards planning is where I'm at. | |
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