| Leicester defeat a disaster?? 23:23 - Jan 21 with 1549 views | Pikey |
Hopefully those who said we'd blown it will post apologies to the team and manager tonight. |  | | |  |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 23:26 - Jan 21 with 1500 views | FredManRave |
Doesn't work like that, unfortunately. |  |
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 23:31 - Jan 21 with 1460 views | CiderwithRsie |
Honestly I don't think anyone who was peed off at us letting in six (having been good value for 1-1) needs to apologise, I think that JCS was spot-on in his reaction to that defeat, it wasn't good enough.
What's really pleasing is that the players haven't let it knock them off course, they've picked themselves up and delivered.
So no apology from me, but a round of applause certainly. | | | |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 23:35 - Jan 21 with 1438 views | CiderwithRsie |
What I will say is that I always felt criticism of the manager for his selection that match was completely unwarranted.
As we saw tonight, Cifuentes doesn't play Madsen, Harrison or Edwards because he thinks it doesn't matter if we lose, they are players in his squad and he can't afford not to use them sometimes.
But I suspect that we'll be seeing a lot more of Edwards than Ashby for the rest of the season. | | | |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 23:43 - Jan 21 with 1400 views | daveB |
No apologies from me, we were crap at Leicester and the manager, club and players deserved the stick they got and very good in last 2 games where they all deserve the praise they are getting.
I never said we'd blown anything I was just pissed off that we threw the game by playing a team you wouldn't put out in a league game unless you had to. I'm still not thrilled by it to be honest
When you see how proactive Marti was tonight in changing the game with subs the way he didn't do it at Leicester we had every right to be pissed off last week just as we should be happy with 2 very good results this week |  | | |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 23:44 - Jan 21 with 1352 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 23:43 - Jan 21 by daveB |
No apologies from me, we were crap at Leicester and the manager, club and players deserved the stick they got and very good in last 2 games where they all deserve the praise they are getting.
I never said we'd blown anything I was just pissed off that we threw the game by playing a team you wouldn't put out in a league game unless you had to. I'm still not thrilled by it to be honest
When you see how proactive Marti was tonight in changing the game with subs the way he didn't do it at Leicester we had every right to be pissed off last week just as we should be happy with 2 very good results this week |
Nor me, and Dave B is bang on! If anything, it's Marti who should have apologised to us. That's the other side of taking the plaudits. [Post edited 21 Jan 23:47]
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 00:25 - Jan 22 with 1295 views | connell10 |
I'm not apologising, if Marti had made the right subs at halftime we might have got something outta that game. He got it wrong. But as I said the day after the match when I'd cooled down ...I still love him and think he is a very, very good manager |  |
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 10:36 - Jan 22 with 998 views | Pikey |
I take the points in responses and apologise if my opening comment came over wrong. I suppose it was more about the doom mongers who thought post Leicester we were gonna lose these two away games.
Anyway apologies again. | | | |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 10:41 - Jan 22 with 981 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 10:36 - Jan 22 by Pikey |
I take the points in responses and apologise if my opening comment came over wrong. I suppose it was more about the doom mongers who thought post Leicester we were gonna lose these two away games.
Anyway apologies again. |
But we weren't doom mongers. mate. We were just furious that we tossed away the FA Cup yet again. That it doesn't matter to the club. I don't understand why you think that throwing the cup is why we have won the next two games. We could (shock horror) have won the cup game, taken it seriously, and then....still won the next two games.
It was an FA Cup match, not a Squid Game. Didn't mean everyone would collapse for months if they played in it. |  | | |
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 10:55 - Jan 22 with 909 views | Tonto |
What did the poll conclude? |  |
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 11:17 - Jan 22 with 800 views | nix |
I don't think anyone needs to apologise. It was a legitimate perspective that I happen to disagree with but would have thought that even if we hadn't won these two matches. I thought it was down to fear of overloading after a frantic Christmas period and I still do.
But I don't anyone was wrong to disagree with me.
I do think though that it would've been reasonable for Marti not to anticipate that:
a) Leicester would play their absolute first team
b) Ashby would maake such ridiculous cock ups
c) We'd be playing in five feet visibility with a white ball.
That aside I can see why he rested the four players that would arguably be hardest to replace if they were injured: Dunne, Morgan, Frey and Smyth. |  | | |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 15:49 - Jan 22 with 677 views | kensalriser |
There was undeniably a strident narrative that changing the team for the cup game was a disastrous error and that losing it would undoubtedly mean losing the subsequent league games because that's what always happens, or the light version, which is the argument that changing the team is pointless because we never win the subsequent games (even though a quick look at the stats trashes both versions).
If you were arguing that cause and effect, then you should now be applauding Marti for changing the team and losing the game because it led directly to winning the two subsequent games. Naturally, no one has done so.
Personally I'm not at all convinced there's evidence for this cause and effect, but that's just being guided by boring facts. |  |
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 16:21 - Jan 22 with 608 views | numptydumpty |
I wasn't overally surprised by his selection for Leicester, which clearly showed the league is our only priority this season.
And it's very normal for clubs at all levels to drop around half the first team for cup games.
Clearly done with conserving injuries for league game availability. Maybe they were considering we have now an outside chance of the play offs.
For me, going up this season would be too early. Another season with all our young guns firing and then promotion could well work the next season, so that we are sustainable for many seasons after that.
Going up this season i believe we could lose a lot of our exciting new young players, ie they not premiership standard as yet. So we could boomerang and then not have our new youth brigade at the club at all at the club and be in a much worse position.
I do appreciate though with a fans hat on, who would not take a play off victory.
The cup defeat, we have missed an away day at Old Trafford. I guess it's only a few more games in general, but seems caution won the day. |  |
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 16:26 - Jan 22 with 592 views | Paddyhoops |
Sam Field said some thing quiet profound on the QPR podcast a month or so ago.
Basically he said this set of players won’t let a defeat affect them regardless of the score or performance.
The next game we got whipped by Swansea. We bounced back .
Exactly the same happened after we conceded six against Leicester.
We bounced back with knobs on .
This is a really tight Squad and they’ve all got each others backs. | | | |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 16:33 - Jan 22 with 564 views | robith |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 16:26 - Jan 22 by Paddyhoops |
Sam Field said some thing quiet profound on the QPR podcast a month or so ago.
Basically he said this set of players won’t let a defeat affect them regardless of the score or performance.
The next game we got whipped by Swansea. We bounced back .
Exactly the same happened after we conceded six against Leicester.
We bounced back with knobs on .
This is a really tight Squad and they’ve all got each others backs. |
It is something Marti does bring. Since he took over, our longest losing streak is 4 matches and we've only had 4 patches of more than one defeat in a row. Going alll the way back to McLaren we've been prone to long and frequent losing streaks |  | | |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 17:36 - Jan 22 with 463 views | Paddyhoops |
Very true I remember the big losing streak under Ollie towards the end of the season which dragged us right into it .
I think a Karl Henry goal against Forest ended a worrying run of defeats. | | | |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 17:48 - Jan 22 with 438 views | daveB |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 15:49 - Jan 22 by kensalriser |
There was undeniably a strident narrative that changing the team for the cup game was a disastrous error and that losing it would undoubtedly mean losing the subsequent league games because that's what always happens, or the light version, which is the argument that changing the team is pointless because we never win the subsequent games (even though a quick look at the stats trashes both versions).
If you were arguing that cause and effect, then you should now be applauding Marti for changing the team and losing the game because it led directly to winning the two subsequent games. Naturally, no one has done so.
Personally I'm not at all convinced there's evidence for this cause and effect, but that's just being guided by boring facts. |
Personally I wasn't bothered about what effect it would have on future games, there was a week after leicester so whatever we did in that game was never going to have much of an influence over the Plymouth game. If Plymouth have been on the Tuesday after it would have been far more understandable to make multiple changes.
My moan was that he would never he would never have picked that team for a league game so why do it in the cup, reversing those 6 changes has seen us win back to back games, I'm just not sure what we were so scared about in basically throwing that cup game. It's a losers mentality that we've had at this club for years when it comes to cup games and you can be sure we'll do it again next year wherever we are in the league and whoever the manager is. As fans we seem to just accept it so it's never going to change | | | |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 17:51 - Jan 22 with 425 views | Juzzie |
I wasn't happy with the result but as we've won both our League games since, and both away too, I'm feeling a bit better but we'll never know if the Leagues games were won because of the rotation or not. |  | | |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 17:55 - Jan 22 with 409 views | NewYorkRanger |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 16:21 - Jan 22 by numptydumpty |
I wasn't overally surprised by his selection for Leicester, which clearly showed the league is our only priority this season.
And it's very normal for clubs at all levels to drop around half the first team for cup games.
Clearly done with conserving injuries for league game availability. Maybe they were considering we have now an outside chance of the play offs.
For me, going up this season would be too early. Another season with all our young guns firing and then promotion could well work the next season, so that we are sustainable for many seasons after that.
Going up this season i believe we could lose a lot of our exciting new young players, ie they not premiership standard as yet. So we could boomerang and then not have our new youth brigade at the club at all at the club and be in a much worse position.
I do appreciate though with a fans hat on, who would not take a play off victory.
The cup defeat, we have missed an away day at Old Trafford. I guess it's only a few more games in general, but seems caution won the day. |
This one has been done to death it seems. And you are right, many if not most clubs to seem to toss off the cups these days. But as a fan of a generally mid level championship club I just don't get why we don't go for it. I don't buy the argument that players can't play twice a week. Perhaps sports science has changed and there is strong evidence that the modern player can't sustain 2 games a week but for young men in peak shape I just don't see it.
I aslo don't buy the fact that it's a distraction from the league. Surely success breeds success. Play the best team available for every single game (accepting that will change fo rinjuries and tactical reasons) and try to win every game.
What's wrong with that ? |  |
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 17:57 - Jan 22 with 389 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 17:51 - Jan 22 by Juzzie |
I wasn't happy with the result but as we've won both our League games since, and both away too, I'm feeling a bit better but we'll never know if the Leagues games were won because of the rotation or not. |
I think, if you'd given me the choice of, say, just a point or two off Plymouth and Hull, or even two losses, and a win at Leicester and plum tie at Man U, I'd have taken it. | |
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 18:09 - Jan 22 with 355 views | Juzzie |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 17:57 - Jan 22 by stainrods_elbow |
I think, if you'd given me the choice of, say, just a point or two off Plymouth and Hull, or even two losses, and a win at Leicester and plum tie at Man U, I'd have taken it. |
Yeah, it's a difficult one. Say we won at Leicester and got two draws in those League games, we'd be on 34 points and possibly 17th (on a worse GD than the others on 34). That's four places about the drop zone.
Two defeats and we'd be on 32 points and still 17th but closer points-wise to the bottom three and both Plymouth & Hull closer to us too. They weren't just two wins, they were almost "6 pointers".
We go to Man U, lose (most likely despite how rubbish they are in the PL), and then it's a slog until the end of the season whilst nervously looking over our shoulder.
We're currently 12 places above the drop and we still have a decent buffer now down to the lower positions which is probably the better place to be considering the awful first few months of the season.
edit: if our league results this season has been a bit more stable and evenly spread across all the games rather than fk all for months then promotion form, I'd probably feel the same and sacrifice points at Plymouth & Hull for the trip to Man U. However, it concerns me that a few injuries again & dip in form and we're back down that rabbit hole again so I think I'll take where we are for now.
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 18:27 - Jan 22 with 306 views | robith |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 16:33 - Jan 22 by robith |
It is something Marti does bring. Since he took over, our longest losing streak is 4 matches and we've only had 4 patches of more than one defeat in a row. Going alll the way back to McLaren we've been prone to long and frequent losing streaks |
I actually looked at our managers who had at least one season since our time down. JFH's streaks aren't too bad but my god so many draws
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 19:15 - Jan 22 with 246 views | kensalriser |
Can we really say we would have drawn Man Utd?
I don't know how the draw numbers for the fourth round are allocated except it's not by alphabetical order as in the third round and the competition doesn't have a pre-ordained draw like the World Cup. But even if we did have the same number as Leicester, once you've changed one thing in an imaginary alternative universe, why wouldn't everything else also change? | |
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| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 00:49 - Jan 23 with 91 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Leicester defeat a disaster?? on 19:15 - Jan 22 by kensalriser |
Can we really say we would have drawn Man Utd?
I don't know how the draw numbers for the fourth round are allocated except it's not by alphabetical order as in the third round and the competition doesn't have a pre-ordained draw like the World Cup. But even if we did have the same number as Leicester, once you've changed one thing in an imaginary alternative universe, why wouldn't everything else also change? |
Good point - we're in the realm of the esoteric! It goes with the territory of following QPR. | |
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