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With morgan playing way too many minutes for hie age and Sheff we’d coming up on sat , do we give him a rest for Tuesday and bring in Colback ? Morgan is then rested and hopefully able to kick Bannon on up on the air numerous times at LR ?
Cycling is the obvious example of athletes competing for days on end. Hundreds of kilomotres very day, sometimes for three weeks on end.
So athletes are capable of incredible feats.
Footballers in our division play twice a week, once at the weekend and once midweek. QPR players play 46-50 games from August through to early May, so it's actually far less than twice a week over the season.
I have no knowledge of sports science, but QPR's training surely has to include game-based training as part of most sessions, and those have to be played at high intensity otherwise you're not training for the real thing. So, to play (or to be available to play) those 46-50 games with added pre-season games and inter-squad games and training (short) games our players are probably hitting the red zone 120 times a year.
That's maybe as much as cycling.
Plus, for most of the peleton cycling is more of an endurance sport than a speed sport, so muscle injuries don't seem to be as much of a concern for them as they are for footballers.
For us, it's about avoiding muscle injuries, and allowing enough time to do pre and post-match gym/pool recovery/injury avoidance sessions.
I have no doubt that our sports science people are all over it, and I do try to understand it.
But I still genuinely can't figure how Barry Bannan is 103 years old, and never needs to be rested, whereas we need to throw two cup competitions every year so we can finish mid-table in Division 2.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Pro tennis players are probably getting longer breaks between tournaments, though, and they run around 2km per match as opposed to 10km for footballers. So not really a valid comparison.
Disagree: male tennis players could play a 3-4 hour game almost every other day in a big tournament and when on court they are all action. Seems a lot tougher than playing 3 stop/start football games in 8 days.
Disagree: male tennis players could play a 3-4 hour game almost every other day in a big tournament and when on court they are all action. Seems a lot tougher than playing 3 stop/start football games in 8 days.
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They get a minutes break every two games and they’re not doing much waiting for someone like Nadal to scratch his a@se,his nose and putting his dick back in his pants. I think I saw on google that a tennis player covers about 6-7 kms in a 5 set match,while a footballer does about 10km per game. That doesn’t apply to Madsen though.
Gotta love the way some of our threads completely change direction from the initial points made. I'm with GaryBannister on this though. Think any 18-year-old kid should easily handle 3 games in a week. Although if I have one criticism of Morgan, it is his lack of stamina. His influence wanes in most games, so that is something to be worked on.
On the subject of 'modern kids' (yes I'm officially a boring old fart) inability to play more than the minimum requirement. My nephew had a match at 3pm last Saturday. At 10am many of his colleagues had 'county' (Gaelic training with the Sligo U16 development squad)training, for ONE HOUR. At the football match, many of his team-mates were dropping like flies with cramp! And the mammies were giving out at how OUTRAGEOUS it was that they were 'forced' to do both on the same day.
Disagree: male tennis players could play a 3-4 hour game almost every other day in a big tournament and when on court they are all action. Seems a lot tougher than playing 3 stop/start football games in 8 days.
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But footballers are doing five times as much running.
I used to play tennis a lot as a teenager and it just wasn't as tiring as playing football.
I’ve played a load of different sports in my life (not so much these days as I’m a stressed middle aged dad) and there’s no doubt in my mind 11-a-side football at a decent level is the most brutal, requires both insane fitness and also luck in how your body is made up to deal with it. Constantly twisting, sprinting, tackling, jumping plus the mental side of never switching off, it’s brutal and I’ve never been so knackered as in the last 10 mins of a decent game of football as playing any other sport
And I was a muppet playing amateur league stuff
Modern football at our level must be so punishing, it’s nothing like the 80s. Rugby league is the only other one I reckon compares. Squash was also knackering!
Meanwhile I’m 50 now and after playing a round of golf on Sunday I’m aching like a good un
Football is different to the other sports mentioned because it’s not only endurance with a lot of running, there is also short sharp sprinting, quick turning, jumping and or course a lot of physical contact. In the other sports like tennis and cycling, they carry out intense periods of activity for a tour or tournament but then have weeks of rest if needed.
The number of footballing injuries back up the need for managing loading, including our injury list this year.
Isn't it also the case that footballers these days cover a lot more ground than they used to and more of it at top speed as opposed to walking? Not sure it can be compared to the 80s. Plus for a younger player who isn't fully developed, if anything they need to be protected more.
I'm not sure its a case of not being able to play 3 games a week, it is more than the intensity you are expected to play at so much more these days with all the high pressing etc that goes on. So yes you can play, but at the required level of intensity?
Cycling is an interesting one and clearly is a gruelling sport, but even the TDF features many stages where most seem to ride at a very comfortable pace until a mad dash at the end which most of them don't get involved in anyway.
Pro tennis players are probably getting longer breaks between tournaments, though, and they run around 2km per match as opposed to 10km for footballers. So not really a valid comparison.
The other player never kicks them up in the air either.
Isn't it also the case that footballers these days cover a lot more ground than they used to and more of it at top speed as opposed to walking? Not sure it can be compared to the 80s. Plus for a younger player who isn't fully developed, if anything they need to be protected more.
Absolutely.
As well as the English game being much faster and more physical than other couuntries' styles of football. Hence all of overseas players saying this and taking varying times to adjust.
One of the QPR staff actually told me that a former manager (cough I'm guessing Beale) caused additional injuries by bringing players back too soon after previous injuries.
More enlightened managers like Warburton and Cifuentes have explained about the correlation between deteriorating data (e.g. fewer runs, less tackles) and muscle injuries if you don't take them off.
I trust Marti to make these decisions. It's not our sons playing at the local park. These are elite athletes.If he overplays Morgan for instance thats potentially losing our only box to box midfielder for weeks. Just not worth it. So if he doesn't play tonight then I'm fine with it as I trust the best manager we've had in years.
Yes there are? Luke Littler had to go to Bahrain only a few days after the world championships :-)
I just find the resting stuff so tiresome, I know (of course) it has to be done blah blah blah but.....I am just old and grumpy.
It bothers me a little too unless it's done for tactical reasons. It's difficult to sympathise with footballers when you compare them to, say, singles tennis players. These guys are often running around for hours, have no team-mates to share the load with, and are typically afforded a day's rest before their next match. The best must be supremely fit.
It bothers me a little too unless it's done for tactical reasons. It's difficult to sympathise with footballers when you compare them to, say, singles tennis players. These guys are often running around for hours, have no team-mates to share the load with, and are typically afforded a day's rest before their next match. The best must be supremely fit.
They also have a month off after Grand Slams from tournaments at the top level and have some tournaments where they lose early on, like Alcaraz five times in his 18 tournaments this year, where he only played two matches. They only play best of five sets in Grand Slams, otherwise it's best of three.
Many players have chronic injuries at a young age. Murray had a hip resurfacing, Raducanu had two wrist ops and an ankle injury at 21. Draper has had numerous injuries that have hampered his career. Laura Robson had to retire in her mid 20s. Nadal has a crumbling foot. I don't think tennis is the model for sustainable careers in sport.
In terms of managing players' fitness, are the coaches monitoring the players in real time these days during a match? The coaches all have computers on the side and I wondered if the vests players wear are live linked?
Cycling is the obvious example of athletes competing for days on end. Hundreds of kilomotres very day, sometimes for three weeks on end.
So athletes are capable of incredible feats.
Footballers in our division play twice a week, once at the weekend and once midweek. QPR players play 46-50 games from August through to early May, so it's actually far less than twice a week over the season.
I have no knowledge of sports science, but QPR's training surely has to include game-based training as part of most sessions, and those have to be played at high intensity otherwise you're not training for the real thing. So, to play (or to be available to play) those 46-50 games with added pre-season games and inter-squad games and training (short) games our players are probably hitting the red zone 120 times a year.
That's maybe as much as cycling.
Plus, for most of the peleton cycling is more of an endurance sport than a speed sport, so muscle injuries don't seem to be as much of a concern for them as they are for footballers.
For us, it's about avoiding muscle injuries, and allowing enough time to do pre and post-match gym/pool recovery/injury avoidance sessions.
I have no doubt that our sports science people are all over it, and I do try to understand it.
But I still genuinely can't figure how Barry Bannan is 103 years old, and never needs to be rested, whereas we need to throw two cup competitions every year so we can finish mid-table in Division 2.
Barry drinks the blood of young people under the light of a full moon at high tide, but when that’s not available, he takes Irn Bru.
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
In terms of managing players' fitness, are the coaches monitoring the players in real time these days during a match? The coaches all have computers on the side and I wondered if the vests players wear are live linked?
Just researched this and the vests do indeed give in-play monitoring via GPS providing data on heart rate, distance run, run intensity, speed, number of sprints, acceleration and number of tackles.
Aww, thanks. So hard to keep up with modern science fads.
I couldn't help checking because I'm a bit of a facts-based weirdo like that, and Bannan came on in the 67th minute in the FA Cup game, which I think counts as a rest.
I couldn't help checking because I'm a bit of a facts-based weirdo like that, and Bannan came on in the 67th minute in the FA Cup game, which I think counts as a rest.
Fair enough!
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
I’ve played a load of different sports in my life (not so much these days as I’m a stressed middle aged dad) and there’s no doubt in my mind 11-a-side football at a decent level is the most brutal, requires both insane fitness and also luck in how your body is made up to deal with it. Constantly twisting, sprinting, tackling, jumping plus the mental side of never switching off, it’s brutal and I’ve never been so knackered as in the last 10 mins of a decent game of football as playing any other sport
And I was a muppet playing amateur league stuff
Modern football at our level must be so punishing, it’s nothing like the 80s. Rugby league is the only other one I reckon compares. Squash was also knackering!
Meanwhile I’m 50 now and after playing a round of golf on Sunday I’m aching like a good un
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Good you mention Squash. Definitely the most physically demanding sport I've ever played. It's up there in the stats too.
Just researched this and the vests do indeed give in-play monitoring via GPS providing data on heart rate, distance run, run intensity, speed, number of sprints, acceleration and number of tackles.
I imagine that’s probably quite embarrassing data for some players and begs the question, how come they get more starts if they don’t meet a certain standard.
Add in the higher level stats of touches, passes etc and it’s a whole other level of professional standards missed - unless someone is carrying a knock and offers to play regardless.
Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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