| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! 16:55 - Jan 11 with 5317 views | numptydumpty |
Conceding six is depressing !!
Will it effect our decent recent league form...
Any squad that let's in six goals will be reeling...
They had much nearer to their full first eleven starting than than ourselves.
I will be so angry if this effects our momentum in the league....
Anyone think we can maintain our form in the league or does this setback have the potential to start a mini slump...
Come to the conclusion that this knock out competition should be banned !!!
God, I hate the fricking FA Cup !!!!!
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 10:48 - Jan 12 with 955 views | essextaxiboy |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 08:47 - Jan 12 by GroveR |
And if I was being petantic I could just as easily say between 7th and 17th January we play 1 game, a game every 10 days.
Morgan is being overplayed because the player who we spent money to bring in over the summer to play there isn't fit for purpose - which he proved again yesterday. That's on our shìt recruitment, not the FA cup. |
Its not being pedantic at all, my point is that the period you highlight is/was valuable recovery time especially in light of the injury situation we have endured. |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 11:13 - Jan 12 with 836 views | daveB |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 10:48 - Jan 12 by essextaxiboy |
Its not being pedantic at all, my point is that the period you highlight is/was valuable recovery time especially in light of the injury situation we have endured. |
Is it recovery time? they all came on yesterday so could easily haver been injured coming on at 5-2 down |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 11:16 - Jan 12 with 821 views | essextaxiboy |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 11:13 - Jan 12 by daveB |
Is it recovery time? they all came on yesterday so could easily haver been injured coming on at 5-2 down |
Depends what their instructions were | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 11:37 - Jan 12 with 767 views | KensalT |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 08:43 - Jan 12 by Rsole |
Watching Whittaker’s goal against Brentford, he started on the right wing and dribbled across most of the backline before scoring from the left side of the box.
Most of the defenders ‘handed him off’ (oooh-er) to the other in some form of backline, bukkake gang bang of sorts.
I hope they have our back four and Varane in particular watch that a couple of times in the game prep video. |
A "bukkake gang bang" where they didn't like the look of a dribble and all pulled away from the money shot.
I'm not going to any parties you organise
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 12:38 - Jan 12 with 714 views | GroveR |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 11:16 - Jan 12 by essextaxiboy |
Depends what their instructions were |
If it was "go out there and try to avoid getting injured" then we already had Madsen doing that for 70 minutes. |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 14:01 - Jan 12 with 649 views | kensalriser |
Because I'm sad like that I took a look at the actual stats for games following FA Cup ties.
We've played 14 in the last ten years and the 14 league games following are W4 D3 L7.
In the ten games following cup defeats: W3 D3 L4 - loss % = 40
In the four games following cup victories: W1 D0 L3 - loss % = 75
So on these stats we're almost twice as likely to lose the league game following a cup win than a defeat. The sample sizes are probably too small to make that a meaningful conclusion, but overall it still calls bullshit on the narrative that we lose the league game after a cup defeat because of the defeat. We've almost certainly lost more games than we've won in the last ten years across all games, so it follows that a defeat is more likely after any game regardless. |  |
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 15:45 - Jan 12 with 591 views | ManinBlack |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 14:01 - Jan 12 by kensalriser |
Because I'm sad like that I took a look at the actual stats for games following FA Cup ties.
We've played 14 in the last ten years and the 14 league games following are W4 D3 L7.
In the ten games following cup defeats: W3 D3 L4 - loss % = 40
In the four games following cup victories: W1 D0 L3 - loss % = 75
So on these stats we're almost twice as likely to lose the league game following a cup win than a defeat. The sample sizes are probably too small to make that a meaningful conclusion, but overall it still calls bullshit on the narrative that we lose the league game after a cup defeat because of the defeat. We've almost certainly lost more games than we've won in the last ten years across all games, so it follows that a defeat is more likely after any game regardless. |
So basically we won 4 out of 14, so in effect we don't win many games from resting players in cup ties which is the perception of many of us. It might be less defeats than we thought but the win ratio is not great as suspected.
I had forgotten Plymouth are at home to Oxford midweek so maybe the Pilgrims will end their winless league run without our charity aid being necessary. |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 15:55 - Jan 12 with 565 views | kensalriser |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 15:45 - Jan 12 by ManinBlack |
So basically we won 4 out of 14, so in effect we don't win many games from resting players in cup ties which is the perception of many of us. It might be less defeats than we thought but the win ratio is not great as suspected.
I had forgotten Plymouth are at home to Oxford midweek so maybe the Pilgrims will end their winless league run without our charity aid being necessary. |
Not quite. What the stats are saying is that it probably doesn't make any difference. We won the same percentage of those cup ties as we did the games after the cup ties, so you could argue that we are no less likely to win a cup game with a weakened side.
What we don't know is if the defeats would increase in the following league games if we fielded full strength sides for the cup.
Either way, we lose a lot of games so losing should never be a surprise. | |
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 16:09 - Jan 12 with 528 views | Myke |
Yesterday will have zero effect on the Plymouth game or any other game for that matter. The only thing that will influence the game will be our attitude on the day and even then perhaps not because Plymouth really are shite. If we start on the front foot we should win with a couple to spare. If we don't then we could still win (like v Oxford/Cardiff or draw ar least 9.45 | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 17:01 - Jan 12 with 469 views | KensalT |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 14:01 - Jan 12 by kensalriser |
Because I'm sad like that I took a look at the actual stats for games following FA Cup ties.
We've played 14 in the last ten years and the 14 league games following are W4 D3 L7.
In the ten games following cup defeats: W3 D3 L4 - loss % = 40
In the four games following cup victories: W1 D0 L3 - loss % = 75
So on these stats we're almost twice as likely to lose the league game following a cup win than a defeat. The sample sizes are probably too small to make that a meaningful conclusion, but overall it still calls bullshit on the narrative that we lose the league game after a cup defeat because of the defeat. We've almost certainly lost more games than we've won in the last ten years across all games, so it follows that a defeat is more likely after any game regardless. |
Sorry to be a pain but for that to be a fair comparison you would also need to take into account the previous fixtures of all those opponents.
Had they also just played a cup tie or were they well rested?
Had they won or lost in the cup?
Did they field strong teams or rest players?
It isn't all just about us.
Also, I think we're drifting off the point of numptydumpty's original question which I read as:
- will shipping six goals affect our long term morale?
It's a fair question and we have seen this in the past.
In 2001 a very strong Arsenal put six past us and it did appear to drain the morale of the group (to use the modern jargon).
But circumstances were different back then. We were struggling in the league and (as always) we were skint and there wasn't much scope to do anything about it. We had also been in and around the relegation scrap the previous three seasons. And perhaps most importantly the fans weren't too happy about things back then. Luckily we didn't have social media back then or there would have been a lot more negativity about the place.
I don't see any problems with team spirit this season and I don't see much despondency in the fans (albeit there is legitimate anger with the team selection at Leicester).
So I don't think we will fall away because of one heavy beating.
But the next two games are both long away trips with not much rest in between. And we might lose both games. Plymouth is always a tough place to go, and Hull away three days later is crazy fixture planning.
Even if we do lose the next two games it doesn't mean our season is falling apart because of the Leicester result.
But the club has backed itself into this corner when they didn't have to. We're midtable and on a good run of form. Clive has made this point many times before, if we aren't going to have a decent go at the cup from that position then when will we ever? | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 17:09 - Jan 12 with 449 views | Rsole |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 11:37 - Jan 12 by KensalT |
A "bukkake gang bang" where they didn't like the look of a dribble and all pulled away from the money shot.
I'm not going to any parties you organise
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 17:14 - Jan 12 with 424 views | LongsufferingR |
I doubt either side's cup games will have an effect on the teams, only on the fans' attitudes heading into next Saturday's game. Also worth noting that Plymouth have an extra game before then, and also hopefully they draw Liverpool at home and have their minds taken off the matter in hand a bit. |  | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 18:05 - Jan 12 with 338 views | LongsufferingR |
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| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 18:18 - Jan 12 with 300 views | ManinBlack |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 15:55 - Jan 12 by kensalriser |
Not quite. What the stats are saying is that it probably doesn't make any difference. We won the same percentage of those cup ties as we did the games after the cup ties, so you could argue that we are no less likely to win a cup game with a weakened side.
What we don't know is if the defeats would increase in the following league games if we fielded full strength sides for the cup.
Either way, we lose a lot of games so losing should never be a surprise. |
From memory the few cup games we won we fielded a weakened side. These stats for the last 10 years still show that 10 of 14 games were not won. I imagine the point of fielding a weakened team in the cup is to actually win the next league game rather than draw it so it has not been a great success.
However, this poor record in the cup has been ongoing for at least 25 years including early knock outs before the third round in our league 1 days and beyond my memory capacity as to what teams we fielded over 10 years ago. | | | |
| Effect on Team Form - Momentum Changer !! on 18:23 - Jan 12 with 286 views | numptydumpty |
Answering my own question starting this thread -
I don't think this will have any impact on our league form.
We found out yet again, Ashby can take too many risks, and Madsen strangely isn't able to perform for ourselves. I had hoped eventually he would have a decent game here and there but sadly I think his goose has been well and truly cooked. Think we should try to either sell him or more likely loan him out now.
But prem relegation teams to mid table championship, the gap is huge. | |
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