| T Richards….. 15:23 - Dec 29 with 7879 views | colinallcars |
On the bench for Cambridge this aftrnoon. |  | | |  |
| T Richards….. on 09:27 - Dec 31 with 2253 views | TheChef |
| T Richards….. on 07:57 - Dec 31 by numptydumpty |
Whatever the reasons behind this young man's problems, and yes clearly was a dreadful recruitment decision, I am sure he would rather be playing, but as we know nothing about him personally, sometimes I think it's a little dangerous to sl*g someone off so publicaly consistently as it's just really very sad story.
If he was an apprentice on a very low salary, he would not get the abuse he has got.
It was our mistake in giving him a fantastic contract. Anyone on here, who may have struggled in early life and not been up to a job but given so much money, clearly no one would have turned it down, but there clearly is problems we are not aware of. And if they are mental, really think as a forum, we need to lay off. Our club messed up, end of.
Would lay off the abuse to him now.
He clearly after his contract ends has no future in football.
It's the clubs error. When anyone recruits, it's often difficult to know about character, but i hope as a club, we are improving on this, but this is on the club and that's that.
But from what I hear, he is a troubled young man and I really think this nastiness towards him needs to stop.
Beyond football, there is a human being. Just saying. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 8:10]
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I find myself agreeing with Numpty!
Richards was clearly another one of those punt signings we try, sadly it hasn't worked out. |  |
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| T Richards….. on 09:34 - Dec 31 with 2223 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| T Richards….. on 07:57 - Dec 31 by numptydumpty |
Whatever the reasons behind this young man's problems, and yes clearly was a dreadful recruitment decision, I am sure he would rather be playing, but as we know nothing about him personally, sometimes I think it's a little dangerous to sl*g someone off so publicaly consistently as it's just really very sad story.
If he was an apprentice on a very low salary, he would not get the abuse he has got.
It was our mistake in giving him a fantastic contract. Anyone on here, who may have struggled in early life and not been up to a job but given so much money, clearly no one would have turned it down, but there clearly is problems we are not aware of. And if they are mental, really think as a forum, we need to lay off. Our club messed up, end of.
Would lay off the abuse to him now.
He clearly after his contract ends has no future in football.
It's the clubs error. When anyone recruits, it's often difficult to know about character, but i hope as a club, we are improving on this, but this is on the club and that's that.
But from what I hear, he is a troubled young man and I really think this nastiness towards him needs to stop.
Beyond football, there is a human being. Just saying. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 8:10]
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B*locks to that. The bloke is stealing a living from QPR, and therefore indirectly me and every other ticket paying fan.
If he is so troubled, then perhaps he should try laying off the Instagram posts etc. If he puts his head above the parapet then he is going to get shot at.
18 months and counting. |  | | |
| T Richards….. on 10:15 - Dec 31 with 2119 views | Dorse |
| T Richards….. on 08:30 - Dec 31 by stevec |
One for the LFW glossary.
First, none of us fans know this as fact, and second, if the clubs are aware of a mental issue, wouldn’t it be a gross deception to keep passing him onto other clubs?
Perhaps I’m being naive but I don’t believe us or Brighton would sink that low, unless you know better? |
Clubs have deliberately moved on players with issues forever - and, usually, all concerned are acutely aware of the facts.
The 'seller', for want of a better term, will emphasise on-pitch benefits for a low, low price ('I'm cutting my own throat here, mate...'). The 'buyer' thinks they can 'fix' or simply tolerate, the off-field issues, reap the on-field benefits then cash-in quick off the back of a successful period.
We shifted Joey fcking Barton to Marseilles, for crying out loud. You cannot tell me Marseilles weren't aware of his utter bellendary prior to his comedy Frenchman routine. We only bought him in the first place because we thought we could fix / tolerate him off the field and reap some sort of benefit on it. Ditto players like Armand Traore or Kieron Dyer (whose issue was physical).
Sometimes it pays off - Sam Field or JCS had injury trouble but, with the right handling, have shown more here than at any of their former clubs and we wouldn't be without them.
I think Numpty's point was more about the human side of football. I agree with your point - we cannot know what is actually going on and, in many ways, it would be inappropriate for us to do so. I took the piss earlier, and maybe that was out of order, I don't know. Richards is a better player than I ever could have been and, as out of condition as he is, he still makes me look like Jabba the Hutt's obese lock-in brother.
But to address Numpty's wider point, I believe he is correct - sometimes what we think of as harmless can cut deeper than we intend. I see the 'player' is a commodity to be traded or judged against others based on an arbitrary scale defined by the needs of a specific team or formation. However, the 'person' is not the same thing. Richards the player is a cartoon; Richards the person is a brother.
Apologies if I went off on one and misrepresented either of you. I will resume my unending barrage of nob jokes. |  |
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| T Richards….. on 11:23 - Dec 31 with 1985 views | GaryHaddock |
| T Richards….. on 21:46 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
He was back in the glory days when they did. |
Maybe they've given him a new one since then 😆 |  | | |
| T Richards….. on 11:23 - Dec 31 with 1982 views | Hooping_Mad |
I really want to agree with Numpty here but I just can't.
Its a question of opportunity, he's been presented with a chance most of us would have killed for and thrown it away. More than once. All while earning more money than most of us will see for that level of return.
Injured in a fitness test at Birmingham, a fitness test for Christ sake.
He has stolen a living for years, If one of us needs time off for mental health issues we're lucky to get SSP if we're employed. If self employed and under far more strain to make a living you essentially get nothing.
By being as soft as we have been only invites players to come here and try it on.
Given the wall of silence and his minutes for us I Honestly I think his contract should have been terminated.
Hopefully the PFA will be more than aware of his antics from here on.
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| T Richards….. on 11:28 - Dec 31 with 1950 views | Hooping_Mad |
| T Richards….. on 11:23 - Dec 31 by GaryHaddock |
Maybe they've given him a new one since then 😆 |
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| T Richards….. on 13:48 - Dec 31 with 1782 views | numptydumpty |
| T Richards….. on 11:23 - Dec 31 by Hooping_Mad |
I really want to agree with Numpty here but I just can't.
Its a question of opportunity, he's been presented with a chance most of us would have killed for and thrown it away. More than once. All while earning more money than most of us will see for that level of return.
Injured in a fitness test at Birmingham, a fitness test for Christ sake.
He has stolen a living for years, If one of us needs time off for mental health issues we're lucky to get SSP if we're employed. If self employed and under far more strain to make a living you essentially get nothing.
By being as soft as we have been only invites players to come here and try it on.
Given the wall of silence and his minutes for us I Honestly I think his contract should have been terminated.
Hopefully the PFA will be more than aware of his antics from here on.
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I totally get all the words re how much money he is on and most of us cant imagine and would simply be quietly moved on with little or no financial help at all in this situation.
I get that.
But if someone is struggling big time, that money only removes one of many other challenges someone faces mentally if they arr ill and as said that's not on Richards that's on our bad judgement as a club.
People can do weird things without focus when mentally unwell such as social media posts too and especially if you are 22, not everyone is able to be a grown up.
But to grind the guy into the dirt. Who does that help no one.
I think it should be consigned to the past. If we can't get rid of him for the rest of his contract, we should just cut ties now. If he is being supported by statutory mental health services, it's practically impossible to terminate a contract, on these grounds.
If not, am certain, the club would have parted ways already.
Hence why am certain that's why we haven't been able to terminate his contract as he is not fulfilling the minimum requirements of his job and we would have been able to do this in an employment tribunal, unless he has ill health.
However, whatever the ins and outs can't see helping anyone why accusing the guy consistently of this and that helps no one, including the club.
Cut ties in best possible way all round.
The guy can get on with his life and the club can do due care and attention to personalities and backgrounds as best they can with any future recruitment so that those type of unwise job offers, don't happen again.
The Cambridge offer, I reckon we could be paying almost 100 % of his salary as i very much doubt any club be contributing much as it seems currently he is incapable of a job currently.
Ie it was a cock up all round. And it just needs to be put in the past and left there |  |
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| T Richards….. on 15:17 - Dec 31 with 1647 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| T Richards….. on 07:57 - Dec 31 by numptydumpty |
Whatever the reasons behind this young man's problems, and yes clearly was a dreadful recruitment decision, I am sure he would rather be playing, but as we know nothing about him personally, sometimes I think it's a little dangerous to sl*g someone off so publicaly consistently as it's just really very sad story.
If he was an apprentice on a very low salary, he would not get the abuse he has got.
It was our mistake in giving him a fantastic contract. Anyone on here, who may have struggled in early life and not been up to a job but given so much money, clearly no one would have turned it down, but there clearly is problems we are not aware of. And if they are mental, really think as a forum, we need to lay off. Our club messed up, end of.
Would lay off the abuse to him now.
He clearly after his contract ends has no future in football.
It's the clubs error. When anyone recruits, it's often difficult to know about character, but i hope as a club, we are improving on this, but this is on the club and that's that.
But from what I hear, he is a troubled young man and I really think this nastiness towards him needs to stop.
Beyond football, there is a human being. Just saying. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 8:10]
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You can't have it both ways. If you "know nothing about him personally" then you have no idea on the state of his mental health. Personally I think it's a smokescreen designed to fool gullible folk like yourself into feeling sorry for a lad that has consistently shown at successive clubs that he's a waster. Until he pulls his socks up, gets fit, and contributes on the pitch, he deserves the criticism. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 15:29]
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| T Richards….. on 15:18 - Dec 31 with 1637 views | TheChef |
| T Richards….. on 15:17 - Dec 31 by Benny_the_Ball |
You can't have it both ways. If you "know nothing about him personally" then you have no idea on the state of his mental health. Personally I think it's a smokescreen designed to fool gullible folk like yourself into feeling sorry for a lad that has consistently shown at successive clubs that he's a waster. Until he pulls his socks up, gets fit, and contributes on the pitch, he deserves the criticism. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 15:29]
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Does anyone have an idea of the state of his mental health?
In which case how can you call it either way? | |
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| T Richards….. on 15:28 - Dec 31 with 1589 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| T Richards….. on 15:18 - Dec 31 by TheChef |
Does anyone have an idea of the state of his mental health?
In which case how can you call it either way? |
"Does anyone have an idea of the state of his mental health?"
Exactly. Which is why it's a moot point.
"In which case how can you call it either way?"
As we've established that no one knows that state of Taylor's mental health, the discussion re-focuses on what he's done in his footballing career. To date, the square root of nada. This kid even got injured during a medical at Birmingham City. Why on earth QPR agreed to a permanent deal is beyond me. | | | |
| T Richards….. on 15:32 - Dec 31 with 1576 views | numptydumpty |
| T Richards….. on 15:17 - Dec 31 by Benny_the_Ball |
You can't have it both ways. If you "know nothing about him personally" then you have no idea on the state of his mental health. Personally I think it's a smokescreen designed to fool gullible folk like yourself into feeling sorry for a lad that has consistently shown at successive clubs that he's a waster. Until he pulls his socks up, gets fit, and contributes on the pitch, he deserves the criticism. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 15:29]
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If he wasn't we could have got rid of him by now.
An employee who doesn't turn up and doesn't do any of their duties, they have their contracts terminated unless they are certified by medical staff as not mentally or physically well enough to carry out their duties.
Then there are legal obligations that could prevent a sacking.
But I am the gullible one apparently.
If what you are saying is correct and there's nothing medically wrong with him either physically or mentally, then the club are paying a man loads of money for a man that will never work for them and if you believe that's the case as you say then am afraid you are the gullible ones.
And if you think a professional club would smoke screen a player who was clearly swinging the lead so to speak, then this club is MASSIVELY amateur. That's what you are saying.
Why on earth would a club not discipline such a player if that was the case. They haven't.
But as said I just know from dealing with contractual employment law. I worked number of years ago for a service that supported employees struggling at work because of their mental health. And we liased with both the employer and employees. One guy was seriously unwell, sadly could not get up or get out without severe anxiety. He was in a very highly paid role. The corporate company he worked for paid him 75% of his salary for two years as they could not contractually terminate his contract for that time. He was sick those two years. Didn't work at all and wasn't able to return to work also. And this was 20 years ago.
I can't really explain this one again.
It's a sad situation all round for me.
It didn't work. We all move on.
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| T Richards….. on 15:37 - Dec 31 with 1559 views | TheChef |
| T Richards….. on 15:28 - Dec 31 by Benny_the_Ball |
"Does anyone have an idea of the state of his mental health?"
Exactly. Which is why it's a moot point.
"In which case how can you call it either way?"
As we've established that no one knows that state of Taylor's mental health, the discussion re-focuses on what he's done in his footballing career. To date, the square root of nada. This kid even got injured during a medical at Birmingham City. Why on earth QPR agreed to a permanent deal is beyond me. |
Because we thought it was a risk worth taking like other deals that we've done.
Some of those worked. This one hasn't. We move on. | |
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| T Richards….. on 16:02 - Dec 31 with 1493 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| T Richards….. on 15:37 - Dec 31 by TheChef |
Because we thought it was a risk worth taking like other deals that we've done.
Some of those worked. This one hasn't. We move on. |
I'd agree if it were just a loan but not a loan with a commitment to buy permanently in the future before Taylor has even kicked a ball. Richards spent time out on loan at Doncaster Rovers and Birmingham City (where he was injured during the medical). It didn't work out at either club so he returned to his parent club, Brighton. Why QPR then decided to offer Brighton a season-long loan with a commitment to buy permanently is beyond me. An extremely daft decision.
As for "moving on", that's easy for you to say because you're not spending your money. As Marti struggles with injuries in key areas and fields players out of position to cope, just bear in mind that the outlay on Taylor prevents the club from bringing in much needed reinforcements. | | | |
| T Richards….. on 16:12 - Dec 31 with 1460 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| T Richards….. on 15:32 - Dec 31 by numptydumpty |
If he wasn't we could have got rid of him by now.
An employee who doesn't turn up and doesn't do any of their duties, they have their contracts terminated unless they are certified by medical staff as not mentally or physically well enough to carry out their duties.
Then there are legal obligations that could prevent a sacking.
But I am the gullible one apparently.
If what you are saying is correct and there's nothing medically wrong with him either physically or mentally, then the club are paying a man loads of money for a man that will never work for them and if you believe that's the case as you say then am afraid you are the gullible ones.
And if you think a professional club would smoke screen a player who was clearly swinging the lead so to speak, then this club is MASSIVELY amateur. That's what you are saying.
Why on earth would a club not discipline such a player if that was the case. They haven't.
But as said I just know from dealing with contractual employment law. I worked number of years ago for a service that supported employees struggling at work because of their mental health. And we liased with both the employer and employees. One guy was seriously unwell, sadly could not get up or get out without severe anxiety. He was in a very highly paid role. The corporate company he worked for paid him 75% of his salary for two years as they could not contractually terminate his contract for that time. He was sick those two years. Didn't work at all and wasn't able to return to work also. And this was 20 years ago.
I can't really explain this one again.
It's a sad situation all round for me.
It didn't work. We all move on.
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Speculative subjective incoherent waffle. You yourself stated above that NO ONE knows the state of Taylor's mental health. As a result, continuing with that angle is pointless.
As for contracts, football works slightly differently to other industries. Plenty of clubs have paid good money for players who haven't delivered. You can't just rip up a player's contract because he isn't playing.
As for "moving on", you bury your head in the sand if you wish but you don't speak for all.
As I said to The Chef, next time you're wondering why the squad is a little thin and Marti is having to cope by fielding square pegs in round holes, just remember that the outlay on wasters like Taylor prevents the club from bringing in much needed reinforcements. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 16:17]
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| T Richards….. on 16:13 - Dec 31 with 1462 views | Loft1979 |
On paper it would have appeared to be a good signing. But like many it has not gone to plan. Consider comparing to Sean Goss , Connor Washington, Cousins or Kelman in terms of hopeful signings with less than favored dividends. |  | | |
| T Richards….. on 16:16 - Dec 31 with 1442 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| T Richards….. on 16:13 - Dec 31 by Loft1979 |
On paper it would have appeared to be a good signing. But like many it has not gone to plan. Consider comparing to Sean Goss , Connor Washington, Cousins or Kelman in terms of hopeful signings with less than favored dividends. |
How was it a good signing on paper? Have you even researched his career?  | | | |
| T Richards….. on 16:49 - Dec 31 with 1388 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
He did look great that time he came on against Rotherham.. .  | | | |
| T Richards….. on 17:21 - Dec 31 with 1322 views | numptydumpty |
| T Richards….. on 16:12 - Dec 31 by Benny_the_Ball |
Speculative subjective incoherent waffle. You yourself stated above that NO ONE knows the state of Taylor's mental health. As a result, continuing with that angle is pointless.
As for contracts, football works slightly differently to other industries. Plenty of clubs have paid good money for players who haven't delivered. You can't just rip up a player's contract because he isn't playing.
As for "moving on", you bury your head in the sand if you wish but you don't speak for all.
As I said to The Chef, next time you're wondering why the squad is a little thin and Marti is having to cope by fielding square pegs in round holes, just remember that the outlay on wasters like Taylor prevents the club from bringing in much needed reinforcements. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 16:17]
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It's always best to not live in the past
You just not getting the explanation either.
Happy new year sir.
Focus on the positive, of which currently I think our club is doing pretty well. | |
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| T Richards….. on 18:20 - Dec 31 with 1212 views | GaryHaddock |
| T Richards….. on 16:12 - Dec 31 by Benny_the_Ball |
Speculative subjective incoherent waffle. You yourself stated above that NO ONE knows the state of Taylor's mental health. As a result, continuing with that angle is pointless.
As for contracts, football works slightly differently to other industries. Plenty of clubs have paid good money for players who haven't delivered. You can't just rip up a player's contract because he isn't playing.
As for "moving on", you bury your head in the sand if you wish but you don't speak for all.
As I said to The Chef, next time you're wondering why the squad is a little thin and Marti is having to cope by fielding square pegs in round holes, just remember that the outlay on wasters like Taylor prevents the club from bringing in much needed reinforcements. [Post edited 31 Dec 2024 16:17]
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'Speculative subjective incoherent waffle'
Genuinely, any need to speak to someone like this? | | | |
| T Richards….. on 18:56 - Dec 31 with 1098 views | Lanhoop |
We know that football clubs are basically scoundrels.
I think what we have learnt from this is, never buy players from Brighton & Hove Albion. They knew. | | | |
| T Richards….. on 19:11 - Dec 31 with 1054 views | francisbowles |
| T Richards….. on 18:20 - Dec 31 by GaryHaddock |
'Speculative subjective incoherent waffle'
Genuinely, any need to speak to someone like this? |
Sorry down voted in error, meant to upvote. | | | |
| T Richards….. on 19:14 - Dec 31 with 1045 views | GaryHaddock |
| T Richards….. on 18:56 - Dec 31 by Lanhoop |
We know that football clubs are basically scoundrels.
I think what we have learnt from this is, never buy players from Brighton & Hove Albion. They knew. |
I think I mentioned this in one of the other TR threads, but I got chatting with a B&HA fan in Bruge last year and he was raving about him and was surprised they let him go.
In hindsight, looks like a attitude problem might be reason for the exit. He was a England Youth international at the time. | | | |
| T Richards….. on 22:06 - Dec 31 with 871 views | SouthAfricanRanger |
| T Richards….. on 18:20 - Dec 31 by GaryHaddock |
'Speculative subjective incoherent waffle'
Genuinely, any need to speak to someone like this? |
Agree with you. We are QPR fans after all. It’s ok to disagree but use more engaging words |  |
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| T Richards….. on 16:30 - Jan 1 with 491 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| T Richards….. on 18:20 - Dec 31 by GaryHaddock |
'Speculative subjective incoherent waffle'
Genuinely, any need to speak to someone like this? |
Yep. Sorry if it hurt your feelings but I'm not wrong. I don't subscribe to this new age thinking that every villain must be a victim. It's a fact that Richards is a waster. Trying to defend him with supposition around mental health deserves to be called out. It's not personal, just being objective. There's a danger on this site that if such unsubstantiated conjecture is repeated often enough then it eventually morphs into pseudo-fact. I'm nipping that in bud before it becomes a contender for the LFW Glossary. [Post edited 1 Jan 16:57]
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| T Richards….. on 16:32 - Jan 1 with 466 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| T Richards….. on 22:06 - Dec 31 by SouthAfricanRanger |
Agree with you. We are QPR fans after all. It’s ok to disagree but use more engaging words |
Well it certainly caught your and Haddock's attention. Now that's what I call engagement. | | | |
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