| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread 15:01 - Dec 28 with 35762 views | CamberleyR |
Surprised not to see one yet so here goes, thread virgin breaking his duck.
Would love to be optimistic but Carrow Rd seems to be like a mirror to a vampire to us. Talking of vampires, hope to see a reaction from that Boxing Day horror show.
2-1 to them. [Post edited 28 Dec 2024 16:23]
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 07:33 - Dec 30 with 2391 views | kernowhoop |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:32 - Dec 29 by mart_Goblin |
Very much agree with this Brian.
Yes second half became a slog and a hard watch but the reasons for that have been pointed out .
Would have been easy for the players to feel sorry for themselves after Boxing Day, the injuries etc, but I thought they showed a lot of character to play how they did 1st half and dig in the way they did in the second.
A little word on the ref. Nothing major but seemed eager to punish us for things he was letting Norwich players get away with.
Related to that, I think Kolli has a lot to learn especially away from home, in terms of maintaining possession and being stronger , but I do feel that in the games he’s played he’s been given zero protection from any of the officials in charge . Preston pulled him from
Pillar to post and today Norwich roughed him up a bit he didn’t get a free kick all game. |
Kolli may have put a label on himself with his antics early in the fame. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 07:44 - Dec 30 with 2374 views | dmm |
It's not that long ago we were questioning how many no 10s we had in the squad. Now it feels like we can't find a half decent one to play in the middle of the 3.
We've wanted to see Chair tried out in the middle but Marti hasn't been interested. If Andersen is now out with an injury, surely Chair's a better option than Madsen? |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 08:19 - Dec 30 with 2241 views | derbyhoop |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 07:44 - Dec 30 by dmm |
It's not that long ago we were questioning how many no 10s we had in the squad. Now it feels like we can't find a half decent one to play in the middle of the 3.
We've wanted to see Chair tried out in the middle but Marti hasn't been interested. If Andersen is now out with an injury, surely Chair's a better option than Madsen? |
Fine but what about
Kolli to AM on left, with Frey to start.
Alternative could be EDB. Preferable to Madsen? |  |
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 08:38 - Dec 30 with 2155 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 01:53 - Dec 30 by rbee |
Fox had a good game, the majority of our team did, an honest and well spoken interview as well.
As many have said our game changed with the substitutions. Without the silly yellow card does Sam Field stay on? Players have to be rested but the points were in the bag here so should we have kept him on?
Any idea who Nardi was berating after their goal? One of the few shots we didn't manage to block. |
Varane for whatever the fk he was trying to do. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 08:49 - Dec 30 with 2104 views | gazza1 |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 08:38 - Dec 30 by Watford_Ranger |
Varane for whatever the fk he was trying to do. |
Correct, Varane was at fault, well out of position (DCM!!) because he was more concerned with the throw in. Shame because he has been improving recently but one mistake and it cost the Team who had battled very hard and played pretty well against a decent team. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 08:53 - Dec 30 with 2110 views | Gus_iom |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 08:19 - Dec 30 by derbyhoop |
Fine but what about
Kolli to AM on left, with Frey to start.
Alternative could be EDB. Preferable to Madsen? |
I have no time for EDB, but I do wonder why he's included in the match day squad when there's no intention to play him, and what it says to the likes of young Irish international Alex O'Hara.
What a failure our youth development has been. The fact Nourry speaks of the number of very young players playing through the age groups is a tacit acknowledgement of that, and tells us the cavalry are still some way away.....They’re still practicing on ponies, I think. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 08:54 - Dec 30 with 2104 views | dmm |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 08:19 - Dec 30 by derbyhoop |
Fine but what about
Kolli to AM on left, with Frey to start.
Alternative could be EDB. Preferable to Madsen? |
Kolli would be fine on the left of the 3. It's where he's mostly played in youth teams. I'm not sure EDB has the game for the no 10 spot but at least he's a hell of a lot more physical than Madsen. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 08:54 - Dec 30 with 2103 views | qprd |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 07:15 - Dec 30 by derbyhoop |
I think Marti had to replace Field. On a yellow, committed 2 fouls.
Add Morgan fading, after a tremendous 1st half, no wonder we lost the midfield.
One has to question EDB keeping bench warm, while Madsen fancies about.
Ref wasn't bad but inconsistent in the last 20. |
cifuentes has a tendency to take off players when theyre on yellows. field didnt make a case for staying on the pitch, particularly by committing a foul early in the second half
i think while the midfield let us down in the second half, cifuentes is to blame for the 2 dropped points here
-the lack of edb is odd- why not give him a run out? hes played 9 minutes across 3 appearances this season, yet been in the squad in all but 3 of the fixtures this season. imagine whats going through his head. if he cant even get a few minutes to p*ss about when we're winning 3-0 against norwich or certain to lose against swansea (if nothing else, but to rest other players), then why is he even in the team? this is really bad man management b/c it prob requires some mental strength to not go into a dark place when youre consistently in the squad but never play (when we hvae 5 subs to use!). might as well loan him out
but i think marti got it wrong in the subs, shape and tactics.... it was clear that we were totally incapable of keeping the ball- ball retention went away when madsen and varane came on, and was going to get worse when chair came off. norwich was all over us, and it was clear that if we were going to get 3 points, it was going to be like the cardiff match where we went into a defensive shell and just withstood a barrage
that being the case, what was the point of the bennie for chair sub? what did he think he was going to do?
we couldve either brought on jcs as another big body to defend the box in a back 5... or we couldve brought on an athlete like edb who can win the ball and also has some ball control. even if he wanted an attacker for an attacker, bennie was the wrong sub- lloyds pace couldve provided an outball and someone who you can kick it long to to relieve some pressure
substitutions aside, the lack of pragmatism was mind boggling. i understand there's a style of play, but we're away from home, have only 15 mins to get through, norwich was all over us, nardi had already made a mistake playing out the back.... if we play that way with jcs, cook or morrison in the backline, then fair enough. but we had fox, whose skittish in the best of times, and dunne, who is out of position, as our backline. i dont think theyve ever played togehter as the back 2... if ever there was a time to be super cynical, this was the game.... yet we continued to play into trouble [Post edited 30 Dec 2024 8:57]
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 09:27 - Dec 30 with 1980 views | gazza1 |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 08:54 - Dec 30 by qprd |
cifuentes has a tendency to take off players when theyre on yellows. field didnt make a case for staying on the pitch, particularly by committing a foul early in the second half
i think while the midfield let us down in the second half, cifuentes is to blame for the 2 dropped points here
-the lack of edb is odd- why not give him a run out? hes played 9 minutes across 3 appearances this season, yet been in the squad in all but 3 of the fixtures this season. imagine whats going through his head. if he cant even get a few minutes to p*ss about when we're winning 3-0 against norwich or certain to lose against swansea (if nothing else, but to rest other players), then why is he even in the team? this is really bad man management b/c it prob requires some mental strength to not go into a dark place when youre consistently in the squad but never play (when we hvae 5 subs to use!). might as well loan him out
but i think marti got it wrong in the subs, shape and tactics.... it was clear that we were totally incapable of keeping the ball- ball retention went away when madsen and varane came on, and was going to get worse when chair came off. norwich was all over us, and it was clear that if we were going to get 3 points, it was going to be like the cardiff match where we went into a defensive shell and just withstood a barrage
that being the case, what was the point of the bennie for chair sub? what did he think he was going to do?
we couldve either brought on jcs as another big body to defend the box in a back 5... or we couldve brought on an athlete like edb who can win the ball and also has some ball control. even if he wanted an attacker for an attacker, bennie was the wrong sub- lloyds pace couldve provided an outball and someone who you can kick it long to to relieve some pressure
substitutions aside, the lack of pragmatism was mind boggling. i understand there's a style of play, but we're away from home, have only 15 mins to get through, norwich was all over us, nardi had already made a mistake playing out the back.... if we play that way with jcs, cook or morrison in the backline, then fair enough. but we had fox, whose skittish in the best of times, and dunne, who is out of position, as our backline. i dont think theyve ever played togehter as the back 2... if ever there was a time to be super cynical, this was the game.... yet we continued to play into trouble [Post edited 30 Dec 2024 8:57]
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1 - I agree that MC does not like keeping players with a yellow card on the field, he had an ideal replacement in Varane, who has played decent recently, to replace Field.
2 - I do not blame MC for the failure, if that is what you think, for the failure of the midfield and not getting 3 points. Just look no further that Varane and whilst he was brought on for Field it was wise with the amount of miles he had put in over the last few matches and with Watford coming up on 1st Jan. Good player management imho.
3 - EDB is nowhere near the mark, he will be gone very soon if we can get him 'off the books'.
4 - Overall I thought we played pretty well, yes you can criticize players for 'this & that' but generally we put in some proper efforts and played well on many occasions. Some good performances out there against a decent Norwich team.
5 - He wants to see how Benny does in 'real life', not on the training pitch but he wants to give 'the boy' some game time. Chair worked very hard indeed, coming back from injury and he wants him ready for the Watford game. Again, good team management.
6 - I bare no blame on MC, look no further than Varane's bad error and our massive injury list.
Overall, I was very pleased with the performance....the players, the team, the management and , of course, the Supporters. I look forward to the Watford game. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 09:40 - Dec 30 with 1963 views | lassel |
Late to the party but as most say, good response to Swansea and frustrating to concede but it was coming for at least 15 minutes.
Frey for Kolli in retrospect was a bad choice as he’s back to last seasons qualifying for a mobility scooter, and I was thinking Bennie/anyone for Chair at least 10 mins before it happened as he had stopped getting back in. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 10:24 - Dec 30 with 1848 views | NorthantsHoop |
Still not convinced by Kolli as lone striker away from home, he does not have the physicality yet to play that role, prefer to see Lloyd in that role, he has a more physical approach. Frey still best option as starter with Lloyd and Kolli coming on for last 30 mins or so. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 10:38 - Dec 30 with 1792 views | nix |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 09:40 - Dec 30 by lassel |
Late to the party but as most say, good response to Swansea and frustrating to concede but it was coming for at least 15 minutes.
Frey for Kolli in retrospect was a bad choice as he’s back to last seasons qualifying for a mobility scooter, and I was thinking Bennie/anyone for Chair at least 10 mins before it happened as he had stopped getting back in. |
Bit harsh on Frey. We'd retreated like the Red Sea back to our own half by then and he was trying to press their entire back line.
Bit different when you've got a fresh Chair, Smyth and Morgan and Andersen all pressing with you.
I also think Smyth going off made a big difference . They were terrified of his pace after the first fixture but we're much less dangerous on the counter without him meaning their back line could all push up. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 11:13 - Dec 30 with 1658 views | BushRanger82 |
Definitely more of a case of 2 points dropped, than 1 point gained. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 11:13 - Dec 30 with 1664 views | Dorse |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 07:44 - Dec 30 by dmm |
It's not that long ago we were questioning how many no 10s we had in the squad. Now it feels like we can't find a half decent one to play in the middle of the 3.
We've wanted to see Chair tried out in the middle but Marti hasn't been interested. If Andersen is now out with an injury, surely Chair's a better option than Madsen? |
This Chair is a better option than Madsen, at the moment.
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 12:19 - Dec 30 with 1521 views | lassel |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 10:38 - Dec 30 by nix |
Bit harsh on Frey. We'd retreated like the Red Sea back to our own half by then and he was trying to press their entire back line.
Bit different when you've got a fresh Chair, Smyth and Morgan and Andersen all pressing with you.
I also think Smyth going off made a big difference . They were terrified of his pace after the first fixture but we're much less dangerous on the counter without him meaning their back line could all push up. |
I mean of course it’s harsh on Frey who always tries his hardest, but he was moving yesterday like an osteoporosis sufferer and it just allowed Norwich to push their backline up 10 yards as they no longer had to worry about Kolli chasing a bag in the wind and then as you say when Smyth went off they could just come up to the halfway line and setup deckchairs. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 13:16 - Dec 30 with 1403 views | nix |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 12:19 - Dec 30 by lassel |
I mean of course it’s harsh on Frey who always tries his hardest, but he was moving yesterday like an osteoporosis sufferer and it just allowed Norwich to push their backline up 10 yards as they no longer had to worry about Kolli chasing a bag in the wind and then as you say when Smyth went off they could just come up to the halfway line and setup deckchairs. |
Opinions as always but I remember at one point Frey moving between all four defenders trying to press. There were miles between him and our 'midfield'. I don't think even Haaland could have done much with our entire midfield setting up tents outside our box. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 17:11 - Dec 30 with 1154 views | ThGrimRanger |
we've somehow survived defence vs attacks scenarios this season mainly due to Cook's organisational skills, reading of the game and last ditch tackles. For example Bristol City away.
unfortunately we won't survive long like this without him playing, example Swansea away. |  |
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| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 17:20 - Dec 30 with 1104 views | terryb |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:28 - Dec 29 by Northernr |
I thought of you a lot today mate while watching that game.
First half, we won the midfield. Field was excellent, intercepting and tackling. Morgan took the ball under pressure and progressed it, also pressed well without it. Andersen looks FRAIL, but he knows where to stand and which lanes to block on the press. I thought we were pretty good first half.
Second... Madsen anonymous again. You didn't think Andersen played well? Fine. Look what that giant idiot did in the same role. Morgan, bless him, tired after a formidable effort. "We just want to know you're safe sweetheart". Field was my MOTM, Varane needed to come on and do a tribute act and didn't. Sunk too deep and abdicated responsibility. A lot of pointing, flapping about, and moaning. Reactive, not proactive. I'm still not as enamoured with him as many are.
The game really changed when Field went off. At one point one of their CMs miscontrolled a ball on the halfway line, fell over, and was still able to get up and recover the ball unchallenged. In the fcking centre circle.
Conclusion, as you always say to me... you don't win many games of football losing midfield. First half we won it, second half we surrendered it.
Side point - I'm surprised EDB isn't being used. He's athletic, he's fine on the ball, he gets about the pitch. It's almost as weird how he's gone from HERE to there as Lucas Andersen's cratering.
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I've only just got round to looking at the match thread & was thankful when supporters who were at the game started to post! The difference in the negativity at full time was a stark contrast to how we all reacted at the ground.
IMO, we failed to settle after the three substitutions were made & thought that we missed Field to an incredible degree. I think there was only the one real fault by Varane (not as bad ass when Nardi & Paal set up Norwich chances), but it cost us badly. I'm sure his intention was to invite being fouled, but just play the ball down the line & all is well. Also get straight back into position rather than debate who has the throw. That's two faults then, but both from the same situation! None of the three incoming players improved us, which is always going to hurt the team.
I was very pleased with the first half where we put together three or four very good moves (admittedly not creating anything apart from the Andersen miss). We also defended well, with the midfield supporting the defence. Dunne was the only defender playing that I would like to see in our team & that was in a position I don't think he is suited for, but all of them passed the test. No, I don't know who I would play instead of Paal!
At half time I was commenting that Morgan was by far the best player on the pitch, demanding the ball & stroking it forward or into space for Chair & Smyth. Along with Field's aggressiveness, the two of them controlled the half. For me, that 45 minutes was better than any of his previous performances (of which some have been good) & showed what a good signing he may prove to be. He definitely faded, but I feel that was mainly because we dropped deeper rather than as a fitness concern.
The performance was certainly good enough for me to decide to leave Ipswich at 9.40 on Wednesday morning rather than watch us on Sky. I'm even considering going next Monday & arriving home at a time I forgot existed! | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 17:31 - Dec 30 with 1063 views | YokelR |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 07:44 - Dec 30 by dmm |
It's not that long ago we were questioning how many no 10s we had in the squad. Now it feels like we can't find a half decent one to play in the middle of the 3.
We've wanted to see Chair tried out in the middle but Marti hasn't been interested. If Andersen is now out with an injury, surely Chair's a better option than Madsen? |
My armchairs a better option than Madsen | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 19:10 - Dec 30 with 888 views | Northernr |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 17:20 - Dec 30 by terryb |
I've only just got round to looking at the match thread & was thankful when supporters who were at the game started to post! The difference in the negativity at full time was a stark contrast to how we all reacted at the ground.
IMO, we failed to settle after the three substitutions were made & thought that we missed Field to an incredible degree. I think there was only the one real fault by Varane (not as bad ass when Nardi & Paal set up Norwich chances), but it cost us badly. I'm sure his intention was to invite being fouled, but just play the ball down the line & all is well. Also get straight back into position rather than debate who has the throw. That's two faults then, but both from the same situation! None of the three incoming players improved us, which is always going to hurt the team.
I was very pleased with the first half where we put together three or four very good moves (admittedly not creating anything apart from the Andersen miss). We also defended well, with the midfield supporting the defence. Dunne was the only defender playing that I would like to see in our team & that was in a position I don't think he is suited for, but all of them passed the test. No, I don't know who I would play instead of Paal!
At half time I was commenting that Morgan was by far the best player on the pitch, demanding the ball & stroking it forward or into space for Chair & Smyth. Along with Field's aggressiveness, the two of them controlled the half. For me, that 45 minutes was better than any of his previous performances (of which some have been good) & showed what a good signing he may prove to be. He definitely faded, but I feel that was mainly because we dropped deeper rather than as a fitness concern.
The performance was certainly good enough for me to decide to leave Ipswich at 9.40 on Wednesday morning rather than watch us on Sky. I'm even considering going next Monday & arriving home at a time I forgot existed! |
We saw the same game Terry, as we often do. Happy new year mate. |  | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 19:11 - Dec 30 with 884 views | Northernr |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 12:19 - Dec 30 by lassel |
I mean of course it’s harsh on Frey who always tries his hardest, but he was moving yesterday like an osteoporosis sufferer and it just allowed Norwich to push their backline up 10 yards as they no longer had to worry about Kolli chasing a bag in the wind and then as you say when Smyth went off they could just come up to the halfway line and setup deckchairs. |
The only thing I would say in Frey's favour (and he was ropey, I've got him on a 5 I think) is those two big centre backs had started to bully Kolli, knocking him about off the ball and getting in his ear after he'd tried to con a few early free kicks. First thing Frey did when he came on was smash straight through Duffy and let him know we wouldn't be having that any more. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 19:27 - Dec 30 with 833 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 19:11 - Dec 30 by Northernr |
The only thing I would say in Frey's favour (and he was ropey, I've got him on a 5 I think) is those two big centre backs had started to bully Kolli, knocking him about off the ball and getting in his ear after he'd tried to con a few early free kicks. First thing Frey did when he came on was smash straight through Duffy and let him know we wouldn't be having that any more. |
Given the tragic form of our ‘tens’ I would like see Kolli or Lloyd playing off Frey at some point. Frey up against Watford’s defence I’d quite like to see with someone within 20 yards of him preferably. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:20 - Dec 30 with 706 views | lassel |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 19:11 - Dec 30 by Northernr |
The only thing I would say in Frey's favour (and he was ropey, I've got him on a 5 I think) is those two big centre backs had started to bully Kolli, knocking him about off the ball and getting in his ear after he'd tried to con a few early free kicks. First thing Frey did when he came on was smash straight through Duffy and let him know we wouldn't be having that any more. |
Yeah I fully understand why he made the change and of course he’s not a psychic so couldn’t have known how rusty Frey would be.
That said, as mentioned it’s a concern that when he joined us after a few months with little action he moved like he was awaiting a knee replacement, finally seemed to get going with a full pre-season and now again after a month out is moving like he’s wearing Trumps cuban heels. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:32 - Dec 30 with 669 views | Northernr |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:20 - Dec 30 by lassel |
Yeah I fully understand why he made the change and of course he’s not a psychic so couldn’t have known how rusty Frey would be.
That said, as mentioned it’s a concern that when he joined us after a few months with little action he moved like he was awaiting a knee replacement, finally seemed to get going with a full pre-season and now again after a month out is moving like he’s wearing Trumps cuban heels. |
Full, 100% agreement. And on much more money this year than last. | | | |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 21:53 - Dec 30 with 560 views | stowmarketrange |
| Budgies vs Rs Match Thread on 17:20 - Dec 30 by terryb |
I've only just got round to looking at the match thread & was thankful when supporters who were at the game started to post! The difference in the negativity at full time was a stark contrast to how we all reacted at the ground.
IMO, we failed to settle after the three substitutions were made & thought that we missed Field to an incredible degree. I think there was only the one real fault by Varane (not as bad ass when Nardi & Paal set up Norwich chances), but it cost us badly. I'm sure his intention was to invite being fouled, but just play the ball down the line & all is well. Also get straight back into position rather than debate who has the throw. That's two faults then, but both from the same situation! None of the three incoming players improved us, which is always going to hurt the team.
I was very pleased with the first half where we put together three or four very good moves (admittedly not creating anything apart from the Andersen miss). We also defended well, with the midfield supporting the defence. Dunne was the only defender playing that I would like to see in our team & that was in a position I don't think he is suited for, but all of them passed the test. No, I don't know who I would play instead of Paal!
At half time I was commenting that Morgan was by far the best player on the pitch, demanding the ball & stroking it forward or into space for Chair & Smyth. Along with Field's aggressiveness, the two of them controlled the half. For me, that 45 minutes was better than any of his previous performances (of which some have been good) & showed what a good signing he may prove to be. He definitely faded, but I feel that was mainly because we dropped deeper rather than as a fitness concern.
The performance was certainly good enough for me to decide to leave Ipswich at 9.40 on Wednesday morning rather than watch us on Sky. I'm even considering going next Monday & arriving home at a time I forgot existed! |
I’m being picked up at 7.30 on New Year’s Day,but I’m not sure about the walk from Liverpool st on Wednesday though. |  | | |
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