| Celar's deepening nightmare leaves QPR well adrift – Report 16:22 - Nov 24 with 4627 views | Northernr |
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| Celar's deepening nightmare leaves QPR well adrift – Report on 12:53 - Nov 25 with 433 views | E15Hoop |
| Celar's deepening nightmare leaves QPR well adrift – Report on 22:18 - Nov 24 by stainrods_elbow |
I've said my piece on this, but whatever the logistics in Clive's writing life, it still feels a bit weirdly unsttling to me to be ostensibly supporting the manager while preparing a piece on his departure - a bit like telling a friend how much you love him while writing his funeral euology! (For a bit of context, I'm enough of a primititive poet to feel that when you use words to conjure anything, it gives them a reality, which is why I worry.)
I suspect the emotive support for Marti and the hatred/scapegoating of Nourry is a more dubious dichotomy than some can bear to admit and may actually be a psychological denial of a more equivocal underlying attitude that might be more authentic. Black and white thinking is so much comforting to some than cultivating complexity. At any rate, and as I've pointed out, Marti told the press less than three months ago he was pretty much entirely satisfied with our summer recruitment, so the Nourry /Cifuentes love-hateism needs at least to be somewhat curdled regardless. [Post edited 24 Nov 22:19]
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Talking about " dubious dichotomies", isn't this piece of yours an embodiment of one itself?
On the one hand you're irrationally criticising Clive for having the foresight to be prepared for what is a perfectly logical assumption, based on the general culture in football across all the major leagues, i.e. to make the Head Coach/ manager the scapegoat whenever all things head south, as if its a direct, personal betrayal of said Head Coach.
Then in the next breath, you criticise the Head Coach yourself and show some level of support for the Chief Scapegoater, namely the CEO.
Of all the supposedly non black and white issues that we've debated on this Forum over God knows how many years now, I would suggest this is actually one of the more straightforward and authentically black and white ones! |  | | |
| Celar's deepening nightmare leaves QPR well adrift – Report on 14:24 - Nov 25 with 175 views | QPR_Jim |
| Celar's deepening nightmare leaves QPR well adrift – Report on 22:18 - Nov 24 by stainrods_elbow |
I've said my piece on this, but whatever the logistics in Clive's writing life, it still feels a bit weirdly unsttling to me to be ostensibly supporting the manager while preparing a piece on his departure - a bit like telling a friend how much you love him while writing his funeral euology! (For a bit of context, I'm enough of a primititive poet to feel that when you use words to conjure anything, it gives them a reality, which is why I worry.)
I suspect the emotive support for Marti and the hatred/scapegoating of Nourry is a more dubious dichotomy than some can bear to admit and may actually be a psychological denial of a more equivocal underlying attitude that might be more authentic. Black and white thinking is so much comforting to some than cultivating complexity. At any rate, and as I've pointed out, Marti told the press less than three months ago he was pretty much entirely satisfied with our summer recruitment, so the Nourry /Cifuentes love-hateism needs at least to be somewhat curdled regardless. [Post edited 24 Nov 22:19]
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The irony of your comment is that you think that the people advocating for Nourry to be replaced or removed from involvement with the first team are emotive. Yet it's only you saying that they hate Nourry. Plenty of logically put together arguments for Nourry to carry the can rather than Marti is boiled down to "hatred".
Again ironic that you seem to subscribe to the black and white thinking that if you think that Nourry is the biggest issue and should be sorted first, that means you hate him and Marti is perfect! It doesn't. Nobody is saying he's a perfect manager, plenty think he's a good manager and we either won't get a better one or that even if we did they'd still be hamstrung by the squad and injuries.
And you wonder why people ignore rather than engage. |  | | |
| Celar's deepening nightmare leaves QPR well adrift – Report on 14:33 - Nov 25 with 143 views | BklynRanger |
Good stuff as usual - captures the mood.
I'd have swapped Nardi and Saito's scores around though - thought Koki was quality on Saturday just about every time he touched it. I find myself wimpering that we don't deserve him at the minute, but nobody has the energy to give me a well deserved slap.
Noticed Saito getting a good bit of respect from the Stoke players at the end too.
For the goal, yes Jimmy fcuked up that was clear, but Smyth really did nothing to help when he easily could have. Penalty-leg tangle aside he was poor I thought. |  | | |
| Celar's deepening nightmare leaves QPR well adrift – Report on 14:39 - Nov 25 with 118 views | robith |
I didn't even watch Celar take the pen, I knew he was going to miss.
The cheering and booing when he got subbed was fairly bleak. |  | | |
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