| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out 23:26 - Nov 9 with 43760 views | Markofthegrove |
I'll start by saying, this is not my forum usually. But the artist formally known as Twitter has become an echo chamber of monstrous proportion.
Nourry needs to be removed from his post ASAP before he can do any more damage, there is a vandalism of our club happening and it needs to stop immediately.
But how do we do it? I feel like fans and supporters groups have been weak for a long time now. There were some great folk back when we are in administration that were with QPR 1st.
I've heard rumours of some stuff happening, but it needs to be coordinated and it needs to happen ASAP.
I'd honestly be close to being done with QPR if they sack Marti who is the only bloody good thing about this club right now.
Someone needs to bring this together, protests for protests sake do not work. It needs to have purpose, be targeted and ask the right questions and have the right people involved. |  | | |  |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 22:56 - Nov 25 with 1908 views | Mirrorball |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 22:54 - Nov 25 by Northolt_Rs |
Are you Nourry’s mum? Be honest. |
Why would you ask that? Because my opinion is that he shouldn't be sacked? | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 23:13 - Nov 25 with 1822 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 22:56 - Nov 25 by Mirrorball |
Why would you ask that? Because my opinion is that he shouldn't be sacked? |
Not worth engaging too much with them mate: the pitchforks are out and the decision has been made that Nourry is a dangerous power crazy megalomaniac out to destroy the club.
QPR fans have always loved a scapegoat when times are tough. |  | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 23:19 - Nov 25 with 1792 views | Markofthegrove |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 23:13 - Nov 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
Not worth engaging too much with them mate: the pitchforks are out and the decision has been made that Nourry is a dangerous power crazy megalomaniac out to destroy the club.
QPR fans have always loved a scapegoat when times are tough. |
Every club has this issue. It's not isolated.
Difference is, the fans have been vocal but haven't resorted to protest at any point for a couple of decades at least now. Likely more.
There are people that have seen it all, that are concerned by some of the things going on at the moment.
Someone said it on another thread I think, but should be repeated.
Do you think Amit would hire a 27 year old with no experience in investments to run his portfolio?
Same with Reuben and westport.
The answer is no. We are not a serious football club right now and we have someone with no experience running not just the footballing department but the WHOLE club with absolutely no one to hold him to account.
I am sorry, but that's just the definition of madness. | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 07:50 - Nov 26 with 1588 views | lassel |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 23:19 - Nov 25 by Markofthegrove |
Every club has this issue. It's not isolated.
Difference is, the fans have been vocal but haven't resorted to protest at any point for a couple of decades at least now. Likely more.
There are people that have seen it all, that are concerned by some of the things going on at the moment.
Someone said it on another thread I think, but should be repeated.
Do you think Amit would hire a 27 year old with no experience in investments to run his portfolio?
Same with Reuben and westport.
The answer is no. We are not a serious football club right now and we have someone with no experience running not just the footballing department but the WHOLE club with absolutely no one to hold him to account.
I am sorry, but that's just the definition of madness. |
Bit of a poor example there with Bhatia.
He literally *was* Nourry. Mid 20’s guy with no experience in the markets given some pocket change by his father in law to play around with. After over a decade and with one of the biggest bull markets in history, his fund has traded sideways…
Utterly incompetent. | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 08:23 - Nov 26 with 1487 views | JamesB1979 |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 22:54 - Nov 25 by Northolt_Rs |
Are you Nourry’s mum? Be honest. |
Because he has a different opinion to you? Think he raises some good points. | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 08:36 - Nov 26 with 1444 views | TheChef |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 21:42 - Nov 25 by Mirrorball |
Thank-you for trying to help me out but I have read most (if not all) of the posts on this and many other threads.
Whether the majority of people want Nourry out or not is irrelevant to the point I was making. I was simply disagreeing with the notion that "everyone" wants him out which is not true.
In particular, the biggest problem people have with him is the disastrous transfer window he caused in the summer. I don't think it has been the disaster that some believe.
With everyone fit I would say the intended first team this season would be
Nardi
Dunne
Cook
Clarke-Salter
Paal
Varane or Colback
Field
Chair
Andersen
Dembele
Frey
So compared to last season that would mean Nardi, Dembele, Frey and possibly Varane were changes to the first team compared to last season.
I'd say Nardi is an improvement on Begovic and Frey is an improvement on Dykes and is scoring almost twice as often as Dykes did last season. The way Dembele started his first couple of games he looked way better than Willock and still has contributed to goals more frequently this season than Willock did last season.
Varane is showing real improvement in recent games in my opinion but is not quite up to Hayden's standards yet.
The problem is that, on form this season, I wouldn't start with Andersen as his form has fallen off a cliff. That isn't a recruitment issue though.
So I would say, of the four "first choice" changes this season, three were improvements and one is not there yet.
The remaining signings were to improve squad depth
Is Ashby better than Reggie Cannon? I'd say yes
Is Morrison better than shifting Dunne to centre back and playing Cannon? I'd say yes
Is Madsen better than Hodge? I'd say jury's out but last game was an improvement
Is Saito better than whoever we shoe-horned onto the left wing last season to replace Chair? I'd say yes
Is Celar better than Armstrong? A big fat no
The rest were development squad signings or, in Santos' case, should be.
So Celar aside, where is the disastrous transfer window?
We have, at least, two players for every position in the squad (which is a little light).
If it isn't the transfer window then what has he done that is so wrong? Kept contract details secret? Kept injury details secret? Not let Marti speak to a forum? Ballsed up the Performance Director role?
Actually, yes, that last one seems like a mistake but the other's are water off a duck's back. |
Both Dunne's and Andersen's form has dropped off quite a bit this season.
Have they stopped meeting up for coffee?? |  |
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| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:35 - Nov 26 with 1143 views | LongRanger |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 22:48 - Nov 25 by Mirrorball |
I absolutely agree and, I hope, that it is something they are sorting out.
I'd say the biggest difference between this season and the end of last season is injuries. Is it bad luck or a direct result of the Ben Williams (I hope I have his name right) situation. Either way it needs something doing. |
Its a good defence and I agree with some of the points you've made, the signings, collectively, aren't as bad as we collectively make out, but they're not as good as they needed to be.
This isn't about signings though, that is merely one element. This is about running a big business without the experience, its like watching a real world episode of 'the apprentice' where egotistical, arrogant individuals think they can run multi-million pound businesses, yet time and again get found out and embarrassed with basic tasks.
The communication strategy of any big business is critical, ours is shockingly bad, the performance director is based in Dubai when we have hit an injury crisis that is crippling us, the head of recruitment spends his time watching QPR. Then with all this, he releases an injury update, out of the blue, to try and act as an excuse for poor performance.
We have established through the research by a few on here that his career doesn't look much like his CV suggests, so he's also dishonest.
A 27 year old drafted in under the watch of an experienced professional could be great, but giving him the freedom to do as he wishes is corporate suicide. If we were a listed business, this wouldn't be happening, it wouldn't be tolerated by the shareholders.
He likes to be guided by data....all the data is showing he's doing a bad job, he can't be trusted, and its not all about signings, they're not the issue but shows significant naivety to think they would achieve the objectives.
There is far more to being a CEO than new signings, I'd recommend reading/listening to others talk about how they operate in other clubs to get an appreciation of the multitude of responsibilities and then consider if we think he's doing a good job and its all going to plan. | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:43 - Nov 26 with 1065 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 09:40 - Nov 24 by LongRanger |
Our owners are naive and clearly poor at recruiting, but well intentioned in my opinion, they have the money, but need a decent senior management team below them to run it. Brighton are often mentioned, due to their access to data etc, but it’s not just that, they’re really well run. I may have shared before, but I’d recommend spending an hour listening to this, it’s an insight into how to run a club property from top to bottom with their CEO, Paul Barber. Nourry is a major problem and must be removed for us to sort this…
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-high-performance-podcast/id1500444735? |
Thanks for this, Long. Enjoyed it.
The man reeks of competence. |  |
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| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:54 - Nov 26 with 1024 views | LongRanger |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:43 - Nov 26 by BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks for this, Long. Enjoyed it.
The man reeks of competence. |
No worries Brian, I totally agree, feels so far from where we are. | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 15:21 - Nov 26 with 934 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:54 - Nov 26 by LongRanger |
No worries Brian, I totally agree, feels so far from where we are. |
While listening to it, I was wondering if maybe Nourry was doing some of that good stuff unbeknownst to us. Would be nice. | |
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| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 15:32 - Nov 26 with 867 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:54 - Nov 26 by LongRanger |
No worries Brian, I totally agree, feels so far from where we are. |
Comparing Paul Barber to Christian Nourry isn’t really fair is it.
It’s the equivalent of comparing Pep Guardiola to Marti Cifuentes. | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 15:40 - Nov 26 with 825 views | connell10 |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 17:18 - Nov 25 by johnhoop |
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| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 16:46 - Nov 26 with 669 views | FredManRave |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 23:13 - Nov 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
Not worth engaging too much with them mate: the pitchforks are out and the decision has been made that Nourry is a dangerous power crazy megalomaniac out to destroy the club.
QPR fans have always loved a scapegoat when times are tough. |
Scapekid, shirley?! |  |
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| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 17:00 - Nov 26 with 603 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 21:42 - Nov 25 by Mirrorball |
Thank-you for trying to help me out but I have read most (if not all) of the posts on this and many other threads.
Whether the majority of people want Nourry out or not is irrelevant to the point I was making. I was simply disagreeing with the notion that "everyone" wants him out which is not true.
In particular, the biggest problem people have with him is the disastrous transfer window he caused in the summer. I don't think it has been the disaster that some believe.
With everyone fit I would say the intended first team this season would be
Nardi
Dunne
Cook
Clarke-Salter
Paal
Varane or Colback
Field
Chair
Andersen
Dembele
Frey
So compared to last season that would mean Nardi, Dembele, Frey and possibly Varane were changes to the first team compared to last season.
I'd say Nardi is an improvement on Begovic and Frey is an improvement on Dykes and is scoring almost twice as often as Dykes did last season. The way Dembele started his first couple of games he looked way better than Willock and still has contributed to goals more frequently this season than Willock did last season.
Varane is showing real improvement in recent games in my opinion but is not quite up to Hayden's standards yet.
The problem is that, on form this season, I wouldn't start with Andersen as his form has fallen off a cliff. That isn't a recruitment issue though.
So I would say, of the four "first choice" changes this season, three were improvements and one is not there yet.
The remaining signings were to improve squad depth
Is Ashby better than Reggie Cannon? I'd say yes
Is Morrison better than shifting Dunne to centre back and playing Cannon? I'd say yes
Is Madsen better than Hodge? I'd say jury's out but last game was an improvement
Is Saito better than whoever we shoe-horned onto the left wing last season to replace Chair? I'd say yes
Is Celar better than Armstrong? A big fat no
The rest were development squad signings or, in Santos' case, should be.
So Celar aside, where is the disastrous transfer window?
We have, at least, two players for every position in the squad (which is a little light).
If it isn't the transfer window then what has he done that is so wrong? Kept contract details secret? Kept injury details secret? Not let Marti speak to a forum? Ballsed up the Performance Director role?
Actually, yes, that last one seems like a mistake but the other's are water off a duck's back. |
I'm sorry, I've got to take issue with your post.
We had the best injury record last, yet nearly everyone on here was agreed that if we lost a couple of players to injury we would be in trouble.
What should have happened is that the squad should have been strengthened with maybe 2 or 3 signings and that is all, along the lines of what Begovic said in a recent interview.
However, Nourry has tried to be clever and replaced those he released/sold and gone and purchased inexperienced cheaper options. The squad is no bigger, and no better, merely cheaper.
The injury crisis has hit, which always happens to every club at some point over 18 months, yet we are woefully unprepared. It was a disastrous transfer window because Nourry failed to plan for an injury crises/lack of form and has left us threadbare in almost all positions.
This sits with Nourry, no one else.
NOURRY OUT. | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 17:38 - Nov 26 with 506 views | Mirrorball |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:35 - Nov 26 by LongRanger |
Its a good defence and I agree with some of the points you've made, the signings, collectively, aren't as bad as we collectively make out, but they're not as good as they needed to be.
This isn't about signings though, that is merely one element. This is about running a big business without the experience, its like watching a real world episode of 'the apprentice' where egotistical, arrogant individuals think they can run multi-million pound businesses, yet time and again get found out and embarrassed with basic tasks.
The communication strategy of any big business is critical, ours is shockingly bad, the performance director is based in Dubai when we have hit an injury crisis that is crippling us, the head of recruitment spends his time watching QPR. Then with all this, he releases an injury update, out of the blue, to try and act as an excuse for poor performance.
We have established through the research by a few on here that his career doesn't look much like his CV suggests, so he's also dishonest.
A 27 year old drafted in under the watch of an experienced professional could be great, but giving him the freedom to do as he wishes is corporate suicide. If we were a listed business, this wouldn't be happening, it wouldn't be tolerated by the shareholders.
He likes to be guided by data....all the data is showing he's doing a bad job, he can't be trusted, and its not all about signings, they're not the issue but shows significant naivety to think they would achieve the objectives.
There is far more to being a CEO than new signings, I'd recommend reading/listening to others talk about how they operate in other clubs to get an appreciation of the multitude of responsibilities and then consider if we think he's doing a good job and its all going to plan. |
Thanks for your reply. I really enjoyed reading the points you made and I agree with some of the things you've highlighted.
I agree that the Head of Performance is something that really needs fixing. I don't believe it's a coincidence that we have had so many injuries whilst he's been doing his job part-time and remotely.
Of course, I have no idea why that was considered the best option or even whether there is a direct link between that working pattern and our injury situation. To my mind, making a wrong decision is not a stackable offence ... What is important is how quickly you recognise a mistake and to fix it as quickly as possible.
I do think there are problems with Nourry's communication strategy but maybe not in the same way as some. I think he (and the club) should communicate in a way that is easy to understand and transparent. I, also, think that communicating the strategy is more important than communicating every detail. The way things have been done, I feel that the club wanted to change their long-term strategy (or maybe to actually have one). I don't think that has been communicated well.
My view is that this season was about revamping the squad so that it is younger, contracted well, with potential and no worse than last season but within a tight budget. If this is the first step in turning the club around then it is never going to be easy or bump-free. I think the league position objective was simply not to get relegated. I know very little about the club but is my opinion. The strategy wasn't clearly communicated to us and, I suspect, many would have accepted that.
Not communicating contracts or injuries makes sense from a negotiation perspective but is both frustrating and understandable to me.
I don't think the guy is infallible but I really want to see the club have a strategy, change things and stick to their guns. To my mind that means not getting rid of people when those changes mean a bump in the road. | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 17:48 - Nov 26 with 450 views | Markofthegrove |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 17:38 - Nov 26 by Mirrorball |
Thanks for your reply. I really enjoyed reading the points you made and I agree with some of the things you've highlighted.
I agree that the Head of Performance is something that really needs fixing. I don't believe it's a coincidence that we have had so many injuries whilst he's been doing his job part-time and remotely.
Of course, I have no idea why that was considered the best option or even whether there is a direct link between that working pattern and our injury situation. To my mind, making a wrong decision is not a stackable offence ... What is important is how quickly you recognise a mistake and to fix it as quickly as possible.
I do think there are problems with Nourry's communication strategy but maybe not in the same way as some. I think he (and the club) should communicate in a way that is easy to understand and transparent. I, also, think that communicating the strategy is more important than communicating every detail. The way things have been done, I feel that the club wanted to change their long-term strategy (or maybe to actually have one). I don't think that has been communicated well.
My view is that this season was about revamping the squad so that it is younger, contracted well, with potential and no worse than last season but within a tight budget. If this is the first step in turning the club around then it is never going to be easy or bump-free. I think the league position objective was simply not to get relegated. I know very little about the club but is my opinion. The strategy wasn't clearly communicated to us and, I suspect, many would have accepted that.
Not communicating contracts or injuries makes sense from a negotiation perspective but is both frustrating and understandable to me.
I don't think the guy is infallible but I really want to see the club have a strategy, change things and stick to their guns. To my mind that means not getting rid of people when those changes mean a bump in the road. |
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| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 17:57 - Nov 26 with 399 views | G_Ottershaw |
Are you Nourry’s mum? Be honest.
"he's not the messiah, he's a very Naughty boy, now go away..."
(Terry Jones) | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 18:18 - Nov 26 with 310 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 17:00 - Nov 26 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I'm sorry, I've got to take issue with your post.
We had the best injury record last, yet nearly everyone on here was agreed that if we lost a couple of players to injury we would be in trouble.
What should have happened is that the squad should have been strengthened with maybe 2 or 3 signings and that is all, along the lines of what Begovic said in a recent interview.
However, Nourry has tried to be clever and replaced those he released/sold and gone and purchased inexperienced cheaper options. The squad is no bigger, and no better, merely cheaper.
The injury crisis has hit, which always happens to every club at some point over 18 months, yet we are woefully unprepared. It was a disastrous transfer window because Nourry failed to plan for an injury crises/lack of form and has left us threadbare in almost all positions.
This sits with Nourry, no one else.
NOURRY OUT. |
And I disagree with your post.
We were very lucky with our injuries last season: in contrast we have been very unlucky with injuries this season. Not sure how we can legislate for losing the number of important first team players we’ve lost for extended periods in the last few months.
Which of the players who left should we have kept? Willock and Armstrong weren’t signing new contracts and there weren’t many complaining too much when Dozzell and Dykes left. In relation to the new signings they are all improving with the exception of Celar and maybe Madsen. Main issue is not getting a third striker at all.
Nourry is the head of all departments but you’re naive to state no-one else has any responsibility for the recruitment and medical issues and on the pitch results. Ben Williams and the medical team, Andy Belk and the recruitment team, Marti Cifuentes and the coaching team and the players are all part of this. | | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 18:24 - Nov 26 with 279 views | mart_Goblin |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 14:35 - Nov 26 by LongRanger |
Its a good defence and I agree with some of the points you've made, the signings, collectively, aren't as bad as we collectively make out, but they're not as good as they needed to be.
This isn't about signings though, that is merely one element. This is about running a big business without the experience, its like watching a real world episode of 'the apprentice' where egotistical, arrogant individuals think they can run multi-million pound businesses, yet time and again get found out and embarrassed with basic tasks.
The communication strategy of any big business is critical, ours is shockingly bad, the performance director is based in Dubai when we have hit an injury crisis that is crippling us, the head of recruitment spends his time watching QPR. Then with all this, he releases an injury update, out of the blue, to try and act as an excuse for poor performance.
We have established through the research by a few on here that his career doesn't look much like his CV suggests, so he's also dishonest.
A 27 year old drafted in under the watch of an experienced professional could be great, but giving him the freedom to do as he wishes is corporate suicide. If we were a listed business, this wouldn't be happening, it wouldn't be tolerated by the shareholders.
He likes to be guided by data....all the data is showing he's doing a bad job, he can't be trusted, and its not all about signings, they're not the issue but shows significant naivety to think they would achieve the objectives.
There is far more to being a CEO than new signings, I'd recommend reading/listening to others talk about how they operate in other clubs to get an appreciation of the multitude of responsibilities and then consider if we think he's doing a good job and its all going to plan. |
Brilliant post .
This bit especially
This isn't about signings though, that is merely one element. This is about running a big business without the experience, its like watching a real world episode of 'the apprentice' where egotistical, arrogant individuals think they can run multi-million pound businesses, yet time and again get found out and embarrassed with basic tasks. |  | | |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 19:25 - Nov 26 with 145 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 23:13 - Nov 25 by Ned_Kennedys |
Not worth engaging too much with them mate: the pitchforks are out and the decision has been made that Nourry is a dangerous power crazy megalomaniac out to destroy the club.
QPR fans have always loved a scapegoat when times are tough. |
Human beings, not just football clubs, are scapegoating machines, and LfW, for all its moments of eloquence, insight and support can be a microcosm of that too, with its brickbats, bullying and insults. (Rene Girard is a brilliant writer on the scapegoating mechanism for anyone of a philosophical turn of mind - a role I learned about early on in the toxic dynamics of my family.) |  |
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| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 19:32 - Nov 26 with 121 views | numptydumpty |
I think many are saying Nourry out because there could be a strong probability that Cifuentes is the scapegoat, which most don't want.
It's the people that appointed a 26 year old man with no real direct footballing experience to an all powerful role, that are the ones to blame myself.
In my younger days, I could bluff interviews for jobs that I was way out of my depth for. It would have been better for my own career if I hadn't have been successful at the interviews, but more qualified and experienced staff falling for my waffle were - and they were clearly at fault and their decisions helped no one.
I don't myself personally blame Nourry. He is IMHO simply a man totally out of his depth and in a jungle he has no street wise savviness in !!!
But if someone else had been sacked for my own incompetence, can see why Nourry is getting the ire of a majority.
Tough times but not totally doom and gloom.
Do appreciate some signings have potential but reaching that level is a high risk strategy that sadly it will be the death knell for Cifuentes...
I don't see Marti being here in the new year and i think he is very aware his job is close to terminating.
It's sadly the way the mad mad world of football is.
If a new manager comes in, the chances of massive improvement will be very very slight..
The grass is hardly ever greener but this is football where common sense is never the outcome !!!!! [Post edited 26 Nov 19:34]
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| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 19:49 - Nov 26 with 65 views | GaryT |
"My view is that this season was about revamping the squad so that it is younger, contracted well, with potential and no worse than last season but within a tight budget".
Hmm, sounds like someone who knows the finer workings of our club and is up to speed on some of the bad contracts we've agreed in the past.....(a few moments later)...
"I know very little about the club...".
Well, that does sound like someone we know.
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| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 20:15 - Nov 26 with 11 views | Mirrorball |
| Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out on 19:49 - Nov 26 by GaryT |
"My view is that this season was about revamping the squad so that it is younger, contracted well, with potential and no worse than last season but within a tight budget".
Hmm, sounds like someone who knows the finer workings of our club and is up to speed on some of the bad contracts we've agreed in the past.....(a few moments later)...
"I know very little about the club...".
Well, that does sound like someone we know.
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Did you miss the first two words in the bit you quoted?
It's my view ... Not a claim to anything more. I have no idea how you can read anything else into that. | | | |
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