| Signings & The DOF 21:41 - Oct 5 with 13547 views | 1JD |
I didn’t rate Les as a DOF, but some of the squads and business he put together look next level compared to the squad assembled this summer.
From what I am witnessing, the squad, and certain individual players who cost a lot of money, look woefully undercooked for the level.
I guess the question is, Is this a result of exclusively using data to scout players in tier 2 and tier 3 European leagues. Ie. You might look a superstar in THAT league, but does it translate to THIS league? Or do you simply stand out and look good in stats, BECAUSE the level is bang average?
The lack of ball control of some of these players, and the constant turning over of possession, let alone the complete absence of any kind of athleticism and physicality is not solved through game time in my eyes. These are basic tenets of the level. And we are nowhere near the level.
Once again, as it was under Les, especially in the earlier years, it seems we are under the leadership of a DOF “learning on the job”. I hope we sort ourselves out, but I’m now seriously concerned this is a going to be a mistake too far. [Post edited 5 Oct 22:37]
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| Signings & The DOF on 14:42 - Oct 6 with 2132 views | Toast_R |
The obligatory "It wasn't this bad before" thread. Like night follows day. |  | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:01 - Oct 6 with 1919 views | Damo1962 |
| Signings & The DOF on 13:56 - Oct 6 by mart_Goblin |
I think what a lot of people have to come to terms with is everybody has their favourites and everybody has different opinions on those favourites and everybody else.
The umpteen pages on Lyndon proves that but some people find it hard to accept . Of course you can disagree and that’s a good thing but to tell others they are wrong is just a nonsense .
People also say things that are untrue to back an argument.
“Don’t let the unreasonable hatred of one blind you the failures of the other.”
The above is just not true . No one hated or hates GA . He just wasn’t very good and the style of play didn’t suite us . Not just when he was here but years of watching bits and pieces of Wycombe.
We all wanted him to succeed so much , but we looked rudderless with no sign of improvement.
It’s different with MC as we have SEEN what we can do and it’s up to him to get us out of it and if we are rock bottom approaching Christmas he will be down the road most probably too.
I admitted on another thread that I hate reading criticism of MC as I have so much faith in him but right now I can’t really disagree with any of it . We are set up wrong , with the wrong players in a system that does not work . I’d love to blame the players but it isn’t all them .
Time to MC to show us he is the real deal as some of us thought and get players playing to their strengths in showing some fight and passion but the most alarming thing for me right now is we are getting beat and just accepting it . [Post edited 6 Oct 13:57]
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Perfect analysis of the situation. Hope MC isn't too stubborn to see that he needs to change it up a bit. We aren't suddenly going to start winning games, but we need to start competing and letting the opposition know they are in a game. Supporters are much more inclined to tolerate loss s if the team is at least performing above and beyond the sum of their parts. Two weeks to get my BP back to normality 😎 | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:19 - Oct 6 with 1919 views | Northernr |
| Signings & The DOF on 13:56 - Oct 6 by mart_Goblin |
I think what a lot of people have to come to terms with is everybody has their favourites and everybody has different opinions on those favourites and everybody else.
The umpteen pages on Lyndon proves that but some people find it hard to accept . Of course you can disagree and that’s a good thing but to tell others they are wrong is just a nonsense .
People also say things that are untrue to back an argument.
“Don’t let the unreasonable hatred of one blind you the failures of the other.”
The above is just not true . No one hated or hates GA . He just wasn’t very good and the style of play didn’t suite us . Not just when he was here but years of watching bits and pieces of Wycombe.
We all wanted him to succeed so much , but we looked rudderless with no sign of improvement.
It’s different with MC as we have SEEN what we can do and it’s up to him to get us out of it and if we are rock bottom approaching Christmas he will be down the road most probably too.
I admitted on another thread that I hate reading criticism of MC as I have so much faith in him but right now I can’t really disagree with any of it . We are set up wrong , with the wrong players in a system that does not work . I’d love to blame the players but it isn’t all them .
Time to MC to show us he is the real deal as some of us thought and get players playing to their strengths in showing some fight and passion but the most alarming thing for me right now is we are getting beat and just accepting it . [Post edited 6 Oct 13:57]
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Is Cifuentes in charge of how we’re setting up though? Nourry has been v, v, v keen to paint him as simply a head coach, with the “game model” handed down from on high for the coaches of the first team, development side, academy and even the women’s team to implement. It’s one of the reasons they won’t let us speak to him. |  | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:33 - Oct 6 with 1856 views | Damo1962 |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:19 - Oct 6 by Northernr |
Is Cifuentes in charge of how we’re setting up though? Nourry has been v, v, v keen to paint him as simply a head coach, with the “game model” handed down from on high for the coaches of the first team, development side, academy and even the women’s team to implement. It’s one of the reasons they won’t let us speak to him. |
Interesting...very interesting. I have two theories about why Marti has just signed a new contract. One is that he totally agrees with this system, or two that he knows it is suicidal, and wants to make sure he gets a nice hand shake when the inevitable happens. Always intrigued down at LR 🙄 | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:34 - Oct 6 with 1884 views | Northernr |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:33 - Oct 6 by Damo1962 |
Interesting...very interesting. I have two theories about why Marti has just signed a new contract. One is that he totally agrees with this system, or two that he knows it is suicidal, and wants to make sure he gets a nice hand shake when the inevitable happens. Always intrigued down at LR 🙄 |
Or perhaps that contract was signed months ago. | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:45 - Oct 6 with 1850 views | lassel |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:19 - Oct 6 by Northernr |
Is Cifuentes in charge of how we’re setting up though? Nourry has been v, v, v keen to paint him as simply a head coach, with the “game model” handed down from on high for the coaches of the first team, development side, academy and even the women’s team to implement. It’s one of the reasons they won’t let us speak to him. |
I posted when Cifuentes joined that he wants to play 4-3-3, I posted again at the end of last season when we were discussing whether EDB should be extended that he wants to play 4-3-3 and EDB wouldn’t work in his system.
He’s got a LB that he spent much of last season calling out publicly and openly admitted this summer he wanted gone, he’s got 2x RBs that he doesnt rate, he’s still having to play 2 of Field, Colback and Varane and all 3x are never more than 5 seconds from a mental breakdown, a centre forward in Frey that he wouldnt have been let in the building keeping out a CF in Celar who *might* work if he was playing a 4-3-3 but will never work in the 4-2-3-1 and we don’t have the midfield to play 4-3-3 anyway..
Now Cifuentes is clearly not above criticism, he has often made head scratching subs and some of his starting lineups have had more than a hint of ‘Arry making a point to the boardroom but as I keep saying - normally to be told immediately that I’m wrong - it’s Nourry and Belk making the decisions and MC’s job is to turn the ingredients into Michelin cuisine, which admittedly right now is more like Wetherspoons 5 minutes before the kitchen closes. | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:46 - Oct 6 with 1815 views | Damo1962 |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:34 - Oct 6 by Northernr |
Or perhaps that contract was signed months ago. |
Possibly. Does that really change a lot though? | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:47 - Oct 6 with 1803 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:33 - Oct 6 by Damo1962 |
Interesting...very interesting. I have two theories about why Marti has just signed a new contract. One is that he totally agrees with this system, or two that he knows it is suicidal, and wants to make sure he gets a nice hand shake when the inevitable happens. Always intrigued down at LR 🙄 |
The rather large flaw in your 2nd hypothesis is not just that it paints Marti as a complete cynic but also completely fails to explain why he would run the risk of such reputational damage at this 'emerging'; stage of his managerial career. Commonsensically, there's also no evidence for it, as he has consistently alluded to wanting to play a fluid, possession-based, attacking style. Any manager knows they could be dismissed at any time, so if we're in the bottom three at Xmas, say, the odds are the club will have another huge managerial pay-off to disburse. |  |
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| Signings & The DOF on 17:53 - Oct 6 with 1794 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:45 - Oct 6 by lassel |
I posted when Cifuentes joined that he wants to play 4-3-3, I posted again at the end of last season when we were discussing whether EDB should be extended that he wants to play 4-3-3 and EDB wouldn’t work in his system.
He’s got a LB that he spent much of last season calling out publicly and openly admitted this summer he wanted gone, he’s got 2x RBs that he doesnt rate, he’s still having to play 2 of Field, Colback and Varane and all 3x are never more than 5 seconds from a mental breakdown, a centre forward in Frey that he wouldnt have been let in the building keeping out a CF in Celar who *might* work if he was playing a 4-3-3 but will never work in the 4-2-3-1 and we don’t have the midfield to play 4-3-3 anyway..
Now Cifuentes is clearly not above criticism, he has often made head scratching subs and some of his starting lineups have had more than a hint of ‘Arry making a point to the boardroom but as I keep saying - normally to be told immediately that I’m wrong - it’s Nourry and Belk making the decisions and MC’s job is to turn the ingredients into Michelin cuisine, which admittedly right now is more like Wetherspoons 5 minutes before the kitchen closes. |
You must know what Cifuentes is thinking more than he does. 🤣 |  | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:55 - Oct 6 with 1780 views | Damo1962 |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:47 - Oct 6 by stainrods_elbow |
The rather large flaw in your 2nd hypothesis is not just that it paints Marti as a complete cynic but also completely fails to explain why he would run the risk of such reputational damage at this 'emerging'; stage of his managerial career. Commonsensically, there's also no evidence for it, as he has consistently alluded to wanting to play a fluid, possession-based, attacking style. Any manager knows they could be dismissed at any time, so if we're in the bottom three at Xmas, say, the odds are the club will have another huge managerial pay-off to disburse. |
Football is full of cynicism...you are always banging on about it. [Post edited 6 Oct 17:55]
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| Signings & The DOF on 18:02 - Oct 6 with 1794 views | Northernr |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:46 - Oct 6 by Damo1962 |
Possibly. Does that really change a lot though? |
Absolutely. If it was signed before this recruitment drive. | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 18:09 - Oct 6 with 1744 views | Damo1962 |
| Signings & The DOF on 18:02 - Oct 6 by Northernr |
Absolutely. If it was signed before this recruitment drive. |
You know more about the things going on at the club than I will ever do Clive...so that is good enough for me. We are lucky to have you fella 👍 | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 18:27 - Oct 6 with 1706 views | 1JD |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:45 - Oct 6 by lassel |
I posted when Cifuentes joined that he wants to play 4-3-3, I posted again at the end of last season when we were discussing whether EDB should be extended that he wants to play 4-3-3 and EDB wouldn’t work in his system.
He’s got a LB that he spent much of last season calling out publicly and openly admitted this summer he wanted gone, he’s got 2x RBs that he doesnt rate, he’s still having to play 2 of Field, Colback and Varane and all 3x are never more than 5 seconds from a mental breakdown, a centre forward in Frey that he wouldnt have been let in the building keeping out a CF in Celar who *might* work if he was playing a 4-3-3 but will never work in the 4-2-3-1 and we don’t have the midfield to play 4-3-3 anyway..
Now Cifuentes is clearly not above criticism, he has often made head scratching subs and some of his starting lineups have had more than a hint of ‘Arry making a point to the boardroom but as I keep saying - normally to be told immediately that I’m wrong - it’s Nourry and Belk making the decisions and MC’s job is to turn the ingredients into Michelin cuisine, which admittedly right now is more like Wetherspoons 5 minutes before the kitchen closes. |
Some will find fault with what you are saying because they don’t want to believe it. But there are more than 3 independent sources on here confirming the same thing.
The new club model and all major decisions are driven entirely by Nourry. That includes transfer veto, and sign off, of course, amongst many others. Nourry sold this vision to the BoD, that they should back off from all strategic decisions, simply be cash backers, and allow a combined CEO/DOF to run the club, exclusively.
That had genuine merit, so long as it was executed by a CEO/DOF who had developed the required experience, knowledge and credentials to deliver and execute such an important role.
That person is not Nourry. A 26 year old guy, who somehow talked his way into the role, having run a 2-man band recruitment consultancy business with his Pal from school. For non-football staff. AI and analytics guru? Yet more PR spin.
The fact he had to announce himself as having “11 years of football experience” spoke volumes. He is 26 years old. Do the maths. It’s an outright lie and it very much set the tone if you were listening | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 18:27 - Oct 6 with 1703 views | Gus_iom |
| Signings & The DOF on 18:02 - Oct 6 by Northernr |
Absolutely. If it was signed before this recruitment drive. |
Nothing you have said is at all worrying......
Wow. | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 18:31 - Oct 6 with 1688 views | Gus_iom |
| Signings & The DOF on 18:27 - Oct 6 by Gus_iom |
Nothing you have said is at all worrying......
Wow. |
Essentially, we got rid of the tories and got Labour..... | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 18:44 - Oct 6 with 1636 views | 1JD |
| Signings & The DOF on 18:02 - Oct 6 by Northernr |
Absolutely. If it was signed before this recruitment drive. |
If anyone thinks MC wanted Madsens profile for his high-energy, high-press, high-intensity style of play, you’ve not been listening.
And the same goes for the deeper part of CM of midfield, which is even more critical.
You can only play out, and secondly, dominate the ball if you have a CM who come deep, collect, spin, and play. We’ve recruited precisely none of that profile. | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 19:09 - Oct 6 with 1563 views | daveB |
| Signings & The DOF on 13:32 - Oct 6 by kensalriser |
How do you know what the transfer fee was? |
I don't but was widely reported as over 2million, on what i've seen so far any fee we paid was too high |  | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 19:12 - Oct 6 with 1543 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Can't keep secrets in a family. |  |
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| Signings & The DOF on 19:16 - Oct 6 with 1486 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Signings & The DOF on 19:12 - Oct 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
Can't keep secrets in a family. |
You make up a lot of stuff, state it as 100% fact and tell people they haven’t been listening a lot though. | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 19:23 - Oct 6 with 1445 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Signings & The DOF on 19:16 - Oct 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
You make up a lot of stuff, state it as 100% fact and tell people they haven’t been listening a lot though. |
True, that's possible.
But the truth will come out, Ned. it always does. And it will here as well.
I'm not pretending that I know the truth, by the way. Just pointing out that Loftus Road has always leaked like a sieve, and it will continue to. | |
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| Signings & The DOF on 20:08 - Oct 6 with 1331 views | mart_Goblin |
| Signings & The DOF on 17:19 - Oct 6 by Northernr |
Is Cifuentes in charge of how we’re setting up though? Nourry has been v, v, v keen to paint him as simply a head coach, with the “game model” handed down from on high for the coaches of the first team, development side, academy and even the women’s team to implement. It’s one of the reasons they won’t let us speak to him. |
As usual your line of thinking is much more ‘in depth’ than mine but something that maybe explains a lot .
Something is not right . MC’s team is not playing anything like his own career MO.
He doesn’t have the players to do it |  | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 20:09 - Oct 6 with 1331 views | GroveR |
| Signings & The DOF on 18:02 - Oct 6 by Northernr |
Absolutely. If it was signed before this recruitment drive. |
But that would mean the canned announcement at the fans forum was a carefully choreographed piece of maskirovka aimed at cynically misdirecting the fanba...oh. |  | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 20:10 - Oct 6 with 1329 views | Northernr |
| Signings & The DOF on 20:08 - Oct 6 by mart_Goblin |
As usual your line of thinking is much more ‘in depth’ than mine but something that maybe explains a lot .
Something is not right . MC’s team is not playing anything like his own career MO.
He doesn’t have the players to do it |
Lassel's post about how Cifuentes wants to play and the players he's been presented with is spot on IMO. | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 20:25 - Oct 6 with 1281 views | mart_Goblin |
| Signings & The DOF on 20:10 - Oct 6 by Northernr |
Lassel's post about how Cifuentes wants to play and the players he's been presented with is spot on IMO. |
Yes , that was another interesting post .
Didn’t agree with either point about Paal though .
Dont recall him calling him out publicly or saying he wanted him out the club.
There were rumours and the ‘DOF’ might have wanted to move him on but no proof it was MC.
However, the rest is very much food for thought. | | | |
| Signings & The DOF on 20:33 - Oct 6 with 1236 views | mart_Goblin |
The more I think about it the more it makes sense .
The team is playing nothing like the head coach’s career MO.
And is trying to play to the MO of the CEO and his number crunchers.
A 27 year old with zero coaching experience and only relies on ‘data’ to reach decisions.
If this is what’s happening and of course i could be wrong , but if it is, it’s total footballing suicide .
It leads to so many more questions . Questions people like Clive are not allowed to ask MC himself. | | | |
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