| General Election 13:52 - May 22 with 20008 views | raynor94 |
Are we about to hear the date later today, Sunak has called a cabinet meeting this afternoon.
Inflation is down, things aren't going to get much better for the Tories.
July 4th😉 |  |
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| General Election on 08:11 - Jun 2 with 1445 views | Dr_Winston |
| General Election on 00:22 - Jun 2 by Scotia |
Most of the time they don't even think about it.
A vote in a general election is the most significant contribution we can make as an adult to life in this country. Everyone should do it and think about what they're voting for. Most people don't.
I'm sure you've seen people on here defending the Tory party despite the absolute cluster f**k they've made of the country, similar to people voting for Tony Blair and then Jeremy Corbyn.
The best one is the 20mph speed limit in Wales. Clearly in Labour manifesto, we re-elected them and then moaned about it.
People are stupid. |
And there are those who think that it's a good thing that everyone over 18 years old is allowed to cast a vote, no matter how stupid, and don't see a problem with allowing 16yr olds to do it too. |  |
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| General Election on 08:33 - Jun 2 with 1420 views | Boundy |
| General Election on 08:11 - Jun 2 by Dr_Winston |
And there are those who think that it's a good thing that everyone over 18 years old is allowed to cast a vote, no matter how stupid, and don't see a problem with allowing 16yr olds to do it too. |
People are stupid if they read a manifesto, ignore the contents, vote for that party ,then moan .That's stupid |  |
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| General Election on 08:35 - Jun 2 with 1419 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| General Election on 20:47 - Jun 1 by onehunglow |
I had to look that up.
We allow women the vote now. |
Hormonal and irrational creatures I’ve heard! |  |
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| General Election on 08:59 - Jun 2 with 1415 views | Dr_Winston |
| General Election on 08:33 - Jun 2 by Boundy |
People are stupid if they read a manifesto, ignore the contents, vote for that party ,then moan .That's stupid |
People don't read manifestos. That much is clear. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| General Election on 09:21 - Jun 2 with 1410 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| General Election on 08:59 - Jun 2 by Dr_Winston |
People don't read manifestos. That much is clear. |
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis you can’t trust people. | |
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| General Election on 09:27 - Jun 2 with 1400 views | Whiterockin |
| General Election on 00:22 - Jun 2 by Scotia |
Most of the time they don't even think about it.
A vote in a general election is the most significant contribution we can make as an adult to life in this country. Everyone should do it and think about what they're voting for. Most people don't.
I'm sure you've seen people on here defending the Tory party despite the absolute cluster f**k they've made of the country, similar to people voting for Tony Blair and then Jeremy Corbyn.
The best one is the 20mph speed limit in Wales. Clearly in Labour manifesto, we re-elected them and then moaned about it.
People are stupid. |
The 2016 labour manifesto promised a M4 relief road, where is that. Smacks of double standards to me. |  | | |
| General Election on 10:36 - Jun 2 with 1353 views | onehunglow |
| General Election on 08:35 - Jun 2 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Hormonal and irrational creatures I’ve heard! |
Believe the Kiwis were the first to allow them out from the kitchen
Manifestos ?
Who needs them when family tradition and peer pressure tells you for whom to vote . | |
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| General Election on 11:38 - Jun 2 with 1314 views | Johnw102 |
| General Election on 08:33 - Jun 2 by Boundy |
People are stupid if they read a manifesto, ignore the contents, vote for that party ,then moan .That's stupid |
I went into the local Labour Party Headquarters yesterday and asked for a copy of their Manifesto, the agent said I'm sorry we have sold out. I said I know you have, but I would still like to read the manifesto. |  |
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| General Election on 19:49 - Jun 2 with 1238 views | SullutaCreturned |
| General Election on 00:22 - Jun 2 by Scotia |
Most of the time they don't even think about it.
A vote in a general election is the most significant contribution we can make as an adult to life in this country. Everyone should do it and think about what they're voting for. Most people don't.
I'm sure you've seen people on here defending the Tory party despite the absolute cluster f**k they've made of the country, similar to people voting for Tony Blair and then Jeremy Corbyn.
The best one is the 20mph speed limit in Wales. Clearly in Labour manifesto, we re-elected them and then moaned about it.
People are stupid. |
Well that's just wrong.
WE didn't vote them in, the people who voted labour voted them in and those of us who didn't vote for them (or not at all) aren't the stupid ones.
The stupid are those who read the manifesto, voted for them and THEN complained.
There's only afew on here defending the tory clusterfeck, there's a few who defend Welsh labour too.
From where I sit they are both a mess. and I didn't vote for either of them. | | | |
| General Election on 20:38 - Jun 2 with 1211 views | Scotia |
| General Election on 19:49 - Jun 2 by SullutaCreturned |
Well that's just wrong.
WE didn't vote them in, the people who voted labour voted them in and those of us who didn't vote for them (or not at all) aren't the stupid ones.
The stupid are those who read the manifesto, voted for them and THEN complained.
There's only afew on here defending the tory clusterfeck, there's a few who defend Welsh labour too.
From where I sit they are both a mess. and I didn't vote for either of them. |
I think people who didn't ( and don't) vote are stupid, and have no right to moan. I'd say the stupidest of all though are the died in the wool party loyalists.
Near enough 700,0000 people voted for a party with 20mph speed limits in their manifesto. But over a million people didn't vote at all. That's about 70% of the adult population of Wales -its our collective fault.
Welsh Labour are clearly a mess, but they're a mess with no opposition at present. I can only hope that an incoming Westminster Labour government have more influence over them and they improve (by ditching Gething).
Hopefully then we have a decent opposition, not some sort of extreme faction of deceitful nutcases. Our current crop of politicians make those of 25 years ago look like benevolent geniuses. | | | |
| General Election on 20:49 - Jun 2 with 1210 views | Dr_Winston |
None of the politicians ever elected in Wales have been remotely capable.
This is the problem. If you're the sort of person who sees politics as a career, then you're going to be eyeing Westminster as your final destination. Cardiff, Edinburgh and Stormont will barely register. Thus, if you're not selected for the big job then ultimately even your own political party has deemed you to be second rate.
That's not even going into the reality that the salary vs expectation of Politics these days is more than enough to dissuade anyone capable of doing the job from running for it. Maybe 40 years ago an MP's wage was comparable to what could be earned in the private sector by any seriously competent individual, but those days are long gone. | |
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| General Election on 21:41 - Jun 2 with 1189 views | Scotia |
| General Election on 20:49 - Jun 2 by Dr_Winston |
None of the politicians ever elected in Wales have been remotely capable.
This is the problem. If you're the sort of person who sees politics as a career, then you're going to be eyeing Westminster as your final destination. Cardiff, Edinburgh and Stormont will barely register. Thus, if you're not selected for the big job then ultimately even your own political party has deemed you to be second rate.
That's not even going into the reality that the salary vs expectation of Politics these days is more than enough to dissuade anyone capable of doing the job from running for it. Maybe 40 years ago an MP's wage was comparable to what could be earned in the private sector by any seriously competent individual, but those days are long gone. |
I think some have been decent, or at the very least well intentioned and try their best. Mainly those with previous careers and experience.
The worst are career politicians. They are dreadful.
Back when I was a student I used to work at election counts, some of the young party activists who attend as observers (and go on to become politicians) are just very odd.
Broad life experience should be essential to becoming elected, but that's up to those who vote. | | | |
| General Election on 22:59 - Jun 2 with 1145 views | majorraglan |
| General Election on 21:41 - Jun 2 by Scotia |
I think some have been decent, or at the very least well intentioned and try their best. Mainly those with previous careers and experience.
The worst are career politicians. They are dreadful.
Back when I was a student I used to work at election counts, some of the young party activists who attend as observers (and go on to become politicians) are just very odd.
Broad life experience should be essential to becoming elected, but that's up to those who vote. |
I’ve also worked at election counts. As you say some of the party activists, (from my experience it was generally the Conservatives) were strange lacking the ability to engage with staff and officials. | | | |
| General Election on 20:40 - Jun 3 with 1011 views | SullutaCreturned |
| General Election on 20:38 - Jun 2 by Scotia |
I think people who didn't ( and don't) vote are stupid, and have no right to moan. I'd say the stupidest of all though are the died in the wool party loyalists.
Near enough 700,0000 people voted for a party with 20mph speed limits in their manifesto. But over a million people didn't vote at all. That's about 70% of the adult population of Wales -its our collective fault.
Welsh Labour are clearly a mess, but they're a mess with no opposition at present. I can only hope that an incoming Westminster Labour government have more influence over them and they improve (by ditching Gething).
Hopefully then we have a decent opposition, not some sort of extreme faction of deceitful nutcases. Our current crop of politicians make those of 25 years ago look like benevolent geniuses. |
Well around 444,000 voted for them with a 47% turnout. That's 444k out of roughly 2.4 million regstered voters which is what, about 20% give or take who voted Labour. So about 16% of the adult population voted for Labour.
My point stands, how is everybody stupid for voting for the party with 20mph in their manifesto when the vast majority of us didn't vote for them?
from your third paragraph on I entirely agree. | | | |
| General Election on 21:26 - Jun 3 with 972 views | builthjack |
Labour are about 20 ahead at present |  |
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| General Election on 23:04 - Jun 3 with 919 views | majorraglan |
| General Election on 20:40 - Jun 3 by SullutaCreturned |
Well around 444,000 voted for them with a 47% turnout. That's 444k out of roughly 2.4 million regstered voters which is what, about 20% give or take who voted Labour. So about 16% of the adult population voted for Labour.
My point stands, how is everybody stupid for voting for the party with 20mph in their manifesto when the vast majority of us didn't vote for them?
from your third paragraph on I entirely agree. |
The 20 mph was a core part of the Labour manifesto, it could be argued that those who didn’t want the 20 mph brought in should have voted for a party opposing it. Voting Labour was tantamount to supporting their manifest commitments and not voting at all could be seen as acquiescing or indifference.
I knew the 20mph was there and didn’t vote Labour. I have no objection to a 20mph limit in some places, but not the way in which Lee Waters has introduced it. | | | |
| General Election on 23:36 - Jun 3 with 901 views | majorraglan |
| General Election on 21:26 - Jun 3 by builthjack |
Labour are about 20 ahead at present |
The Conservatives are currently imploding.
I’m genuinely surprised Sunak called the GE when he did as I thought he’d have held on a little longer, it will be interesting to hear the rationale and see what comes out in the wash when the GE is over. I get that older people ( likely to vote conservative are more likely to come out and vote on a summers day as opposed to an icy rainy November day and that inflation had edged down, but it’s not as though the feel good factor was ripping through the country. Has he called the GE because he knows there’s more bad news coming down the line? Based on what’s happening now, while it’s early days and it ain’t over till the fat lady signs it looks like Sunak’s advisors have messed up. | | | |
| General Election on 00:12 - Jun 4 with 893 views | DJack |
| General Election on 20:56 - Jun 1 by SullutaCreturned |
But do we give them all bronze tipped ramming prow? |
Is that a euphemism?!  |  |
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| General Election on 08:09 - Jun 4 with 832 views | Scotia |
| General Election on 20:40 - Jun 3 by SullutaCreturned |
Well around 444,000 voted for them with a 47% turnout. That's 444k out of roughly 2.4 million regstered voters which is what, about 20% give or take who voted Labour. So about 16% of the adult population voted for Labour.
My point stands, how is everybody stupid for voting for the party with 20mph in their manifesto when the vast majority of us didn't vote for them?
from your third paragraph on I entirely agree. |
Because it was also clearlry in Plaid Cymru's manifesto which about 225000 people voted for (Plaid and Welsh Labour are basically the same).
Anyone who voted for either party, or who didn't vote against them, either supported the 20mph speed limit, didn't care about it or took so little interest in the second most important election we can take part in Wales that they couldn't be bothered to participate.
That last point makes somebody pretty stupid in my book - especially if they then moan about the state of the country.
If everyone voted the parties would have to appeal to everyone and not just their hardcore support. Our politicians, partiesa nd government's would be compeltely different. | | | |
| General Election on 08:46 - Jun 4 with 801 views | jackrmee |
| General Election on 08:11 - Jun 2 by Dr_Winston |
And there are those who think that it's a good thing that everyone over 18 years old is allowed to cast a vote, no matter how stupid, and don't see a problem with allowing 16yr olds to do it too. |
Can’t get any more stupid than all these oldies who continue to vote for the same party automatically.
Thickos voting labour or Tory these days are at the height of stupidity. |  |
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| General Election on 08:47 - Jun 4 with 799 views | jackrmee |
| General Election on 08:59 - Jun 2 by Dr_Winston |
People don't read manifestos. That much is clear. |
Is there any point?
Isn’t a modern manifesto simply a set of lies that the party will promptly go back on as soon as they get elected? | |
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| General Election on 17:26 - Jun 4 with 708 views | SullutaCreturned |
| General Election on 00:12 - Jun 4 by DJack |
Is that a euphemism?! |
No, ot's the front part of a trireme but whatever floats your boat  | | | |
| General Election on 17:33 - Jun 4 with 703 views | SullutaCreturned |
| General Election on 23:04 - Jun 3 by majorraglan |
The 20 mph was a core part of the Labour manifesto, it could be argued that those who didn’t want the 20 mph brought in should have voted for a party opposing it. Voting Labour was tantamount to supporting their manifest commitments and not voting at all could be seen as acquiescing or indifference.
I knew the 20mph was there and didn’t vote Labour. I have no objection to a 20mph limit in some places, but not the way in which Lee Waters has introduced it. |
i'm not sure that's how politics works, we vote for the party miost in line with what we want. Voting for Labour doesn't mean you wanted the 20mph limits. Lets face it, very many manifesto commitments never see the light of day after a GE.
I also have no objections to the 20 limits in the right places, it was makng it the default that bothered me because of the obvious extra costs in changing it back to 30 when exemptions were applied.
I voted for an independent local candidate at the GE and I voted Green in the Senedd election because they were who I most agreed with but I didn't agree with everything they wanted. | | | |
| General Election on 11:41 - Jun 5 with 612 views | Whiterockin |
| General Election on 23:04 - Jun 3 by majorraglan |
The 20 mph was a core part of the Labour manifesto, it could be argued that those who didn’t want the 20 mph brought in should have voted for a party opposing it. Voting Labour was tantamount to supporting their manifest commitments and not voting at all could be seen as acquiescing or indifference.
I knew the 20mph was there and didn’t vote Labour. I have no objection to a 20mph limit in some places, but not the way in which Lee Waters has introduced it. |
It seems that manifesto pledges don't mean much unless it suits. So how are voters supposed to read a manifesto and judge what will be implemented and what will not. It throws the whole point of the 20mph manifesto pledge into question.
"Let’s be clear that what we’ve heard this afternoon is the abandonment of a manifesto commitment made by the Labour Party at the last election," said Mr Drakeford.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy99jy1p3kpo | | | |
| General Election on 12:03 - Jun 5 with 596 views | Scotia |
| General Election on 11:41 - Jun 5 by Whiterockin |
It seems that manifesto pledges don't mean much unless it suits. So how are voters supposed to read a manifesto and judge what will be implemented and what will not. It throws the whole point of the 20mph manifesto pledge into question.
"Let’s be clear that what we’ve heard this afternoon is the abandonment of a manifesto commitment made by the Labour Party at the last election," said Mr Drakeford.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy99jy1p3kpo |
It's a fair point.
And why I think any change in leadership of the governing party (PM or FM) should trigger a general or senedd election, because inevitably there are policy changes associated with it.
Drakeford should never have led Welsh Labour in to the last Senedd election as he didn't intend to see his term through.
It's a matter of time until the 20mph speed limit is reviewed and an M4 relief road is back on the cards. Both Drakeford's stupid ideas. | | | |
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