| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers 09:09 - May 17 with 12363 views | Northernr |
Here we go then...
 End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers 17th May 2024 09:07The first of our annual four-part individual assessment of the QPR players’ performances during the previous season always starts with the goalkeepers – and, regrettably, that means we’re puncturing the recent feel-good factor round here by beginning with a negative.  7
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 09:28 - May 17 with 8134 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Fair comments, and fair rating. |  |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 09:59 - May 17 with 8040 views | francisbowles |
Well done on keeping it factual and not emotive.
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 10:07 - May 17 with 7994 views | Antti_Heinola |
Heat map line worth my patreon fee for a year.
I have to say last summer, with where we were and how little money we had, and the desperation I genuinely felt about Ainsworth tackling a whole season, I defended the signing as a decent stop gap. Someone fairly sound to do a year for us while we sort the effing GK situation out and have someone decent in place for 2024/25.
It didn't go as well as i hoped. But the real issue is, what is happening next season? I remain concerned he's getting another deal. |  |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 10:11 - May 17 with 7980 views | Northernr |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 10:07 - May 17 by Antti_Heinola |
Heat map line worth my patreon fee for a year.
I have to say last summer, with where we were and how little money we had, and the desperation I genuinely felt about Ainsworth tackling a whole season, I defended the signing as a decent stop gap. Someone fairly sound to do a year for us while we sort the effing GK situation out and have someone decent in place for 2024/25.
It didn't go as well as i hoped. But the real issue is, what is happening next season? I remain concerned he's getting another deal. |
We've actually recorded the panel discussion that goes into these marks this year, part one (keepers and defenders) will be on the Patreon later today so you can find out who/where that flag line comes from  | | | |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 10:33 - May 17 with 7854 views | Antti_Heinola |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 10:11 - May 17 by Northernr |
We've actually recorded the panel discussion that goes into these marks this year, part one (keepers and defenders) will be on the Patreon later today so you can find out who/where that flag line comes from |
Will look forward to that! | |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 10:44 - May 17 with 7792 views | stevec |
Blimey, I can only assume Joe Lumley was on E’s in every end of term report? He must have been on something.
Go along with the general theme and I’ve no idea how Opta work out their ratings, I’m sure they’re very good at it. That said, if there was the equivalent of a one on one situation where a goal against seemed more likely than unlikely, I generally felt that Begovic did exactly what a good keeper should do and saved more of those than anyone in recent memory aside of the other aforementioned bench sitter you spoke of who was excellent for us, his name will come back to me in a minute.
There were errors without doubt and the leave it to centre backs option was alarming but I can’t get past the fact that QPR don’t often do under 60 goals conceded especially in a side rooted in the bottom three for most of the season.
A D feels a bit harsh in those circumstances.
That said, you seem to be on the sort of roll where I can’t wait to see the forwards appraisals!
Smithies, that’s the one. |  | | |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 10:44 - May 17 with 7797 views | eastside_r |
Can't disagree with any of that.
I think that you are right about his distribution. It was comically bad under Ainsworth and it was no surprise that Cifuentes, like all the cool and groovy kids wanted to play out from the back, something that we all seemed would be beyond Begovic.
However, I suspect that they rather stumbled on the idea of Dunne at right back to solve this problem rather than Dunne's late evident attacking qualities. That 'out' ball meant that Begovic's lack of confidence (technique?) with the ball at his feet, provided us all with some relief. |  | | |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 11:09 - May 17 with 7652 views | CateLeBonR |
The speed at which Cifuentes picked Walsh when we were safe is an indication that it was something they’d considered before.
For me it’s another example of good management that the perception is we have a good young prospect on our hands going into next season. Compared to what we would have had if we’d picked Walsh before and it hadn’t gone well. |  | | |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 11:16 - May 17 with 7590 views | Ned_Kennedys |
A lot of people may have their summers ruined if Begovic is given another year: his ‘we go again next season’ and not being included in the club’s goodbye messages indicate it’s a strong possibility.
He was part of a much improved defence, was available every game when the other options were a big worry, and we’ve had far far worse. Did some bad stuff and did some good stuff: would’ve given him a C.
Personally would be happy for him to be here next year, ideally on the bench as back up to a new keeper who fits into Cifuentes, style better. I’d get Walsh out on a season long loan at L1 level. |  | | |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 11:36 - May 17 with 7494 views | TheChef |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 10:44 - May 17 by stevec |
Blimey, I can only assume Joe Lumley was on E’s in every end of term report? He must have been on something.
Go along with the general theme and I’ve no idea how Opta work out their ratings, I’m sure they’re very good at it. That said, if there was the equivalent of a one on one situation where a goal against seemed more likely than unlikely, I generally felt that Begovic did exactly what a good keeper should do and saved more of those than anyone in recent memory aside of the other aforementioned bench sitter you spoke of who was excellent for us, his name will come back to me in a minute.
There were errors without doubt and the leave it to centre backs option was alarming but I can’t get past the fact that QPR don’t often do under 60 goals conceded especially in a side rooted in the bottom three for most of the season.
A D feels a bit harsh in those circumstances.
That said, you seem to be on the sort of roll where I can’t wait to see the forwards appraisals!
Smithies, that’s the one. |
Hmmm yeah I'm also C/D perhaps coloured by his decent performances in the last three games especially v Leeds.
Either way C or D is not great! |  |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 11:40 - May 17 with 7471 views | GaryBannister86 |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 11:16 - May 17 by Ned_Kennedys |
A lot of people may have their summers ruined if Begovic is given another year: his ‘we go again next season’ and not being included in the club’s goodbye messages indicate it’s a strong possibility.
He was part of a much improved defence, was available every game when the other options were a big worry, and we’ve had far far worse. Did some bad stuff and did some good stuff: would’ve given him a C.
Personally would be happy for him to be here next year, ideally on the bench as back up to a new keeper who fits into Cifuentes, style better. I’d get Walsh out on a season long loan at L1 level. |
Ned - I don't know how you do it and manage to be supportive of the guy. Full respect.
It is beyond me, but then I am bitter and twisted :-).
I would have given him an F, for F off back to Chelsea. |  | | |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 11:44 - May 17 with 7463 views | Northernr |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 11:16 - May 17 by Ned_Kennedys |
A lot of people may have their summers ruined if Begovic is given another year: his ‘we go again next season’ and not being included in the club’s goodbye messages indicate it’s a strong possibility.
He was part of a much improved defence, was available every game when the other options were a big worry, and we’ve had far far worse. Did some bad stuff and did some good stuff: would’ve given him a C.
Personally would be happy for him to be here next year, ideally on the bench as back up to a new keeper who fits into Cifuentes, style better. I’d get Walsh out on a season long loan at L1 level. |
Even if we agree to go with your C, which I obviously think is generous, do you think he'll be able to improve (or even maintain) your C next season, another year older?
Whether we think he was adequate or not this season, the idea we try and go round again with him next season is crazy talk. | | | |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 12:05 - May 17 with 7333 views | TheChef |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 11:44 - May 17 by Northernr |
Even if we agree to go with your C, which I obviously think is generous, do you think he'll be able to improve (or even maintain) your C next season, another year older?
Whether we think he was adequate or not this season, the idea we try and go round again with him next season is crazy talk. |
I assume his contract expires 30th June, so I hope/pray the club's goodbye message will be released then. | |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 12:11 - May 17 with 7287 views | bosh67 |
I would imagine letting Begs go would free up a lot of money to get Hayden in. |  |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 12:13 - May 17 with 7278 views | Northernr |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 12:11 - May 17 by bosh67 |
I would imagine letting Begs go would free up a lot of money to get Hayden in. |
who's also a better goalkeeper than him. | | | |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 12:29 - May 17 with 7148 views | cheeseydane |
The Rotheram keepers on route to Stoke by all accounts for under a million. Was hoping we would have been interested. |  |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 12:31 - May 17 with 7133 views | KensalT |
I'm going to be slightly contrary and say D is a bit harsh.
The defensive unit has been one of the best in the Championship under Cifuentes. That can't be achieved without a keeper who is doing his job right.
I wouldn't disagree with any of the criticisms. But keepers (like strikers) tend to have their mistakes getting stuck in the mind because they are usually costly.
Personally don't think we should give him another year, but C/C- would be about right for me. | | | |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 12:48 - May 17 with 7057 views | DavieQPR |
Begovic was good as long as he did't have to move much. His legs have gone. No spring or movement from them. With regard to the Rotherham keeper most of the division were after him at that price. Will become be one of the highest paid players in the Championship. |  | | |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 13:22 - May 17 with 6900 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
"His footwork was that of an early round exit from Strictly Come Dancing."
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 14:00 - May 17 with 6764 views | Antti_Heinola |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 11:44 - May 17 by Northernr |
Even if we agree to go with your C, which I obviously think is generous, do you think he'll be able to improve (or even maintain) your C next season, another year older?
Whether we think he was adequate or not this season, the idea we try and go round again with him next season is crazy talk. |
Moreover, paying him a huge wedge to be on the bench? Er, no thanks. | |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 14:04 - May 17 with 6717 views | TheChef |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 14:00 - May 17 by Antti_Heinola |
Moreover, paying him a huge wedge to be on the bench? Er, no thanks. |
Well let's hope not - but I don't think anyone has any clue how much his weekly wage is. I mean it may not be a ludicrous sum. | |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 14:10 - May 17 with 6667 views | stainrods_elbow |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 11:16 - May 17 by Ned_Kennedys |
A lot of people may have their summers ruined if Begovic is given another year: his ‘we go again next season’ and not being included in the club’s goodbye messages indicate it’s a strong possibility.
He was part of a much improved defence, was available every game when the other options were a big worry, and we’ve had far far worse. Did some bad stuff and did some good stuff: would’ve given him a C.
Personally would be happy for him to be here next year, ideally on the bench as back up to a new keeper who fits into Cifuentes, style better. I’d get Walsh out on a season long loan at L1 level. |
Agree with that - the brickbats hurled at Begovic (who admittedly didn't do himself too many favours with his pro-Chelsea social media postings, and who I don't think should have been captain) were OTT, and he deserved a C(+) at least. Made the odd (bad) mistake, but no more than Seny ever did, especially at the end, and kept us in games.
If he's here next season, I'd be OK with that, but if not, we need decent, reliable quality between the sticks. |  |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 14:13 - May 17 with 6684 views | StrawberryHillR |
Bear with me but, if we like Walsh, and want him to have a chance, is it worth having Begovic around the place? It's naive to think Walsh is going to get through a full season without a blip in form, is it worth having an experienced glove salesman at Harlington to help him through it and maybe step in if required?
No-one else is giving Begovic a deal, so if he wants to stay part of it and is willing to take a monster pay cut (neither of which might appeal to him), would it, perhaps, be worth considering?
If not surely that means getting a new no.1 in, sidelining Walsh again, and next season we've still got Walsh and Salamon, only one of whom can go out on loan this season, limiting the development opportunites of one of them. | | | |
| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 14:23 - May 17 with 6624 views | R_from_afar |
Great piece, many thanks, but...wot no Lyndon? |  |
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| End of Term Report 23/24 – Goalkeepers on 14:52 - May 17 with 6489 views | Lanhoop |
C? No, sorry. The saves he did make in some games have just lifted him from getting an E. D is the right score.
He isn't what we need to have sitting on the bench as a backup either. We can surely do better.
Also, he may have been a decent sort in the dressing room but making him captain was Gaz's mistake and letting him keep the captaincy was one of Marti's few errors. He was too quiet on the pitch and we need to have someone in the refs ear a lot, lot more. | | | |
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