| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 09:58 - Jun 14 with 3636 views | KeithHaynes |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 06:51 - Jun 14 by jackrmee |
Iām not saying break the bank for him, but I do think he deserves a fair pay rise and more than a 1 year, if thatās what theyāre offering.
Up there with our most effective and important players.
Skilful, experienced, and even when not on his game, still contributes with goals and assists. |
I agree, but money and Paterson are not a good mix. It affected him two years ago dramatically and went about the whole thing in the wrong way. He clearly will leave if he gets a better or longer deal.
Thatās his situation. He has been offered a one year deal which the likes of Naughton etc jumped at when he was Patersonās age. The fact he is stating to our club he wants time after the window opens (today) to have a look around I think is pretty poor. However, no decision by the end of this month and he is released. |  |
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:10 - Jun 14 with 3594 views | jackrmee |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 09:58 - Jun 14 by KeithHaynes |
I agree, but money and Paterson are not a good mix. It affected him two years ago dramatically and went about the whole thing in the wrong way. He clearly will leave if he gets a better or longer deal.
Thatās his situation. He has been offered a one year deal which the likes of Naughton etc jumped at when he was Patersonās age. The fact he is stating to our club he wants time after the window opens (today) to have a look around I think is pretty poor. However, no decision by the end of this month and he is released. |
Yeah I can see where youāre coming from, but heās got no real connection to the club, so itās natural to be more self centred about these things in that case.
I agree he went about things the wrong way last time, but being a bit naive and then a bit stroppy doesnāt make him a bad guy or someone who would intentionally harm them club (I know you didnāt say heās that).
I agree he should take the 1 year, as thatās normal procedure at his age.
But if he thinks heās worth more money than theyāre offering, then thatās a different story.
He deserves to be up there with our highest paid imo. If heās not, then heās got the right to look elsewhere, especially as itās likely close to his last decent contract.
Surely itās common practice, not to reduce the wages of your best players?
He should at least get a small increase, in line with other staff/players, but also IMO another small boost due to his abilities and form.
Letās be honest, take out that blip when he was stropping and heās probably been by far and away our best performer who is still at the club. |  |
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:10 - Jun 14 with 3594 views | Fireboy2 |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 09:58 - Jun 14 by KeithHaynes |
I agree, but money and Paterson are not a good mix. It affected him two years ago dramatically and went about the whole thing in the wrong way. He clearly will leave if he gets a better or longer deal.
Thatās his situation. He has been offered a one year deal which the likes of Naughton etc jumped at when he was Patersonās age. The fact he is stating to our club he wants time after the window opens (today) to have a look around I think is pretty poor. However, no decision by the end of this month and he is released. |
Well if that's the case f@ck him. |  | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:16 - Jun 14 with 3580 views | KeithHaynes |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:10 - Jun 14 by Fireboy2 |
Well if that's the case f@ck him. |
Itās a bit like the Andy Robison situation when he wanted to see if Leeds got promoted via the play offs before signing a new contract. Huw told him wherever get off. | |
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:17 - Jun 14 with 3578 views | jackrmee |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:10 - Jun 14 by Fireboy2 |
Well if that's the case f@ck him. |
I agree with almost all you post mate, but not here.
Just because he wants a bit more money, doesnāt mean we should fk him off.
Itās fair to want more, yet heās not stropping or being sly, heās being totally honest and openly saying he wants to wait until he sees if others are willing to match his ideas.
Heās not closely linked to the club, so really doesnāt have any other ties, yet still would prefer to stay with us than move, as heās stated this many times.
Our owners are known to be stinjy as hell, yet our players are at fault for wanting to negotiate š¤·āāļø
He hasnāt said heās not going to sign at the rates he was offered, just that he wants more time. Totally fair imo and I really hope we manage to convince him, | |
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:28 - Jun 14 with 3531 views | Whiterockin |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 09:58 - Jun 14 by KeithHaynes |
I agree, but money and Paterson are not a good mix. It affected him two years ago dramatically and went about the whole thing in the wrong way. He clearly will leave if he gets a better or longer deal.
Thatās his situation. He has been offered a one year deal which the likes of Naughton etc jumped at when he was Patersonās age. The fact he is stating to our club he wants time after the window opens (today) to have a look around I think is pretty poor. However, no decision by the end of this month and he is released. |
At the end of the month any player at the end of their contract receives no further income. It's amazing how this focuses the mind. |  | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:30 - Jun 14 with 3519 views | Fireboy2 |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:17 - Jun 14 by jackrmee |
I agree with almost all you post mate, but not here.
Just because he wants a bit more money, doesnāt mean we should fk him off.
Itās fair to want more, yet heās not stropping or being sly, heās being totally honest and openly saying he wants to wait until he sees if others are willing to match his ideas.
Heās not closely linked to the club, so really doesnāt have any other ties, yet still would prefer to stay with us than move, as heās stated this many times.
Our owners are known to be stinjy as hell, yet our players are at fault for wanting to negotiate š¤·āāļø
He hasnāt said heās not going to sign at the rates he was offered, just that he wants more time. Totally fair imo and I really hope we manage to convince him, |
I think he's our best player atm and I seriously do not want him to leave but It's the way he conducts himself when contract discussions come up that let's him down, I get that he's coming to the end of his playing career but to come out and basically say that 'thanks all the same but I will look elsewhere' doesn't do him any good, perhaps he should be a bit more civil about it and deal with it by saying nothing whilst looking elsewhere to try and get a better deal from the club.
On another matter, imo he's our best player and we offer him a 1 year deal, shows what our club are about eh š¤· | | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:35 - Jun 14 with 3497 views | Thornburyswan |
Not an issue for me from either side - Pato is 33 in December so this is probably his last decent, in football terms, contract so heās obviously going to want a 2/3 year contract on what he/his agent see as top money. We on the other hand are trying to āmanageā our wage bill & so for a player his age with no obvious connection to the club a 12 month deal is clearly the better option.
So itās now a game of poker to see who moves first - as long as we have contingencies in place a little time e.g. 2/3 weeks is just fine. |  | | |
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:58 - Jun 14 with 3462 views | Fireboy2 |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:35 - Jun 14 by Thornburyswan |
Not an issue for me from either side - Pato is 33 in December so this is probably his last decent, in football terms, contract so heās obviously going to want a 2/3 year contract on what he/his agent see as top money. We on the other hand are trying to āmanageā our wage bill & so for a player his age with no obvious connection to the club a 12 month deal is clearly the better option.
So itās now a game of poker to see who moves first - as long as we have contingencies in place a little time e.g. 2/3 weeks is just fine. |
Your last sentence is what worries me, we have a great championship midfielder who is playing well, hardly misses a game and we are playing poker with him.
I do hope that both parties come to an agreement soon, we don't want to be scratching around bargain basement, looking for a midfielder to replace him. | | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 17:18 - Jun 14 with 3150 views | RhonddaSwans |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:58 - Jun 14 by Fireboy2 |
Your last sentence is what worries me, we have a great championship midfielder who is playing well, hardly misses a game and we are playing poker with him.
I do hope that both parties come to an agreement soon, we don't want to be scratching around bargain basement, looking for a midfielder to replace him. |
Do you actually rate pato?
He is way to hot and cold for me.
After the refusing to play saga he should of been sacked.
He is fantastic in little bursts of form but way to inconsistent to push us towards the top 6. | |
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 19:09 - Jun 14 with 3061 views | nantywatcher |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 17:18 - Jun 14 by RhonddaSwans |
Do you actually rate pato?
He is way to hot and cold for me.
After the refusing to play saga he should of been sacked.
He is fantastic in little bursts of form but way to inconsistent to push us towards the top 6. |
Spot on. Our best player- what utter nonsense. He is capable of wonderful moments but by God he makes so many poor judgements during every game and quite often leaves the play having achieved the square route of.....
I would still love to see him in the all white next season, but our best that is just plain hilarious. | | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 19:56 - Jun 14 with 3022 views | Fireboy2 |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 19:09 - Jun 14 by nantywatcher |
Spot on. Our best player- what utter nonsense. He is capable of wonderful moments but by God he makes so many poor judgements during every game and quite often leaves the play having achieved the square route of.....
I would still love to see him in the all white next season, but our best that is just plain hilarious. |
Bloody hell I do wonder looking at some of your comments you actually watch our games. | | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 20:17 - Jun 14 with 3009 views | RhonddaSwans |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 19:09 - Jun 14 by nantywatcher |
Spot on. Our best player- what utter nonsense. He is capable of wonderful moments but by God he makes so many poor judgements during every game and quite often leaves the play having achieved the square route of.....
I would still love to see him in the all white next season, but our best that is just plain hilarious. |
you are spot on mate.
I would rather see an academy player get a chance than pato the deva. [Post edited 15 Jun 17:21]
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 21:00 - Jun 14 with 2954 views | raynor94 |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:17 - Jun 14 by jackrmee |
I agree with almost all you post mate, but not here.
Just because he wants a bit more money, doesnāt mean we should fk him off.
Itās fair to want more, yet heās not stropping or being sly, heās being totally honest and openly saying he wants to wait until he sees if others are willing to match his ideas.
Heās not closely linked to the club, so really doesnāt have any other ties, yet still would prefer to stay with us than move, as heās stated this many times.
Our owners are known to be stinjy as hell, yet our players are at fault for wanting to negotiate š¤·āāļø
He hasnāt said heās not going to sign at the rates he was offered, just that he wants more time. Totally fair imo and I really hope we manage to convince him, |
Why are you saying he would prefer to stay with us? He's playing us, if he gets a better offer he's off, if not he'll stay.
He did exactly the same at Bristol City, he's a journey man who can be replaced.
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 01:31 - Jun 15 with 2797 views | dobjack2 |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 21:00 - Jun 14 by raynor94 |
Why are you saying he would prefer to stay with us? He's playing us, if he gets a better offer he's off, if not he'll stay.
He did exactly the same at Bristol City, he's a journey man who can be replaced.
I'd withdraw our offer immediately |
Players will kiss our badge one day and kiss somebody else's a week later if they are transferred.
It's a get what you can while you can sport. Those that make it to the top are set up to waste money and get ripped off. A Car is a means of transport and a watch is a watch. See the law of diminishing returns. Players on "as little" as Ā£10 grand a week for 5 years can earn more than people on Ā£30 grand a year can earn in 2 lifetimes.
If he gets a better offer and takes it up to him. He owes the club nothing and the club will dump him the second they think he can't perform in whatever division we are in. | | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:20 - Jun 15 with 2603 views | onehunglow |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 19:09 - Jun 14 by nantywatcher |
Spot on. Our best player- what utter nonsense. He is capable of wonderful moments but by God he makes so many poor judgements during every game and quite often leaves the play having achieved the square route of.....
I would still love to see him in the all white next season, but our best that is just plain hilarious. |
If he was / is our best player then that shows just how far we have fallen .
A flaky individual with fleeting movements of ability .
A game changer? Not.
Team man? Hardly .
Can we do better.? Yeah baby
Watching him on TV is the same as being there in the flesh although his impressive tattoos arenāt as visible .
Get shot and replace | |
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:26 - Jun 15 with 2611 views | RichardO |
Time for him to be replaced the loss of Ntcham last year left us short of options in the attacking midfield, we need at least two new players in the middle, Paterson and Allen for the most part cannot be relied on to regularly complete 90 minutes, Fulton is also struggling towards ends of games especially in congested fixtures periods and should he now be in the starting eleven, has been used better coming on to use his defensive experience to shore up the defence and given his height in defensive situations. All three of use but will need replacing sooner rather than later, even Grimes, the spine of the team is not strong enough and gets bossed out of games | | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 17:24 - Jun 15 with 2375 views | RhonddaSwans |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 10:26 - Jun 15 by RichardO |
Time for him to be replaced the loss of Ntcham last year left us short of options in the attacking midfield, we need at least two new players in the middle, Paterson and Allen for the most part cannot be relied on to regularly complete 90 minutes, Fulton is also struggling towards ends of games especially in congested fixtures periods and should he now be in the starting eleven, has been used better coming on to use his defensive experience to shore up the defence and given his height in defensive situations. All three of use but will need replacing sooner rather than later, even Grimes, the spine of the team is not strong enough and gets bossed out of games |
Grimes is machine and by a long way our best midfielder.
With a class cam midfielder with Mattys passing range we would be scary as he double hockey sticks.
Knowing our luck though Russ will take him to the prem with him š. | |
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 21:50 - Jun 15 with 2212 views | KeithHaynes |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 17:24 - Jun 15 by RhonddaSwans |
Grimes is machine and by a long way our best midfielder.
With a class cam midfielder with Mattys passing range we would be scary as he double hockey sticks.
Knowing our luck though Russ will take him to the prem with him š. |
Canāt see it mate, however if he does we should cash in. | |
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 23:04 - Jun 15 with 2152 views | RichardO |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 17:24 - Jun 15 by RhonddaSwans |
Grimes is machine and by a long way our best midfielder.
With a class cam midfielder with Mattys passing range we would be scary as he double hockey sticks.
Knowing our luck though Russ will take him to the prem with him š. |
And yet he is in many ways our weakest midfielder defensively but ends a game deep in our half even though we may need to press on the get at least a point. We have seen a different player when encouraged to push forward or with good players alongside him so the focus isn't solely on him. Not quick enough against counter attacks or players with pace attacking him through the middle of the park, he needs help. | | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 12:18 - Jun 16 with 1903 views | JackDragon |
Anything other than an initial 1yr with a 1yr option based on appearances would be lunacy. | | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 12:32 - Jun 16 with 1882 views | RhonddaSwans |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 12:18 - Jun 16 by JackDragon |
Anything other than an initial 1yr with a 1yr option based on appearances would be lunacy. |
For some reason this doesn't feel like a transfer we would do.
There is no re sell fee unless the club have woke up and realised we need an experienced no1 to sort the defence out.
He had a bad season last year but the seasons before that were pretty good for him. | |
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| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 13:14 - Jun 16 with 1854 views | Whiterockin |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 12:18 - Jun 16 by JackDragon |
Anything other than an initial 1yr with a 1yr option based on appearances would be lunacy. |
Unless it was a straight swap for Fisher. | | | |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 14:29 - Jun 16 with 1757 views | union_jack |
| The Summer Transfer Rumours Thread on 13:14 - Jun 16 by Whiterockin |
Unless it was a straight swap for Fisher. |
No, weād owe too much on a swap dealš |  |
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