| Marti got that one wrong 22:43 - Feb 14 with 10942 views | FDC |
Big fan of Marti, think the slender hope of staying up is largely down to him and the changes he's made.
But he got that wrong, didn't he? Looked like he set up to attack with pace on the break, using sinclair supported by three nippy little guys behind him.
It didn't really work, because of a combination of poor long ball distribution out of defence, sinclair poor decision making (offsides and poor attempts at buying free kicks), and EFL secret meeting agreeing to never award armstrong a decision.
You can see the thinking behind it, but looked a doomed plan from midway through first half.
Second half we were always going to be camping out trying to break them down, and felt like the subs that came would have been useful from half time. But he didn't change it up until 70 or so mins, and although Frey, Andersen, Willock felt like the correct subs, by that point we were really chasing the game it became madcap and disjointed
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| Marti got that one wrong on 22:46 - Feb 14 with 6071 views | Lblock |
I really like the fella but lets face it - he's a Championship novice and learning on the job just like the rest of the management at the club.
Shame that I don't think he'll stick around next season and some other club like WBA will benefit from our teeth cutting |  |
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| Marti got that one wrong on 22:51 - Feb 14 with 6022 views | rbee |
Understand your sentiments FDC but as people keep saying, moving deck chairs around on The Titanic.
What Marti did get wrong tonight, in my opinion, was not firing the players up before kick off. They should of been wound up, straining at the leash etc etc ready for battle. |  | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 22:51 - Feb 14 with 6020 views | numptydumpty |
| Marti got that one wrong on 22:46 - Feb 14 by Lblock |
I really like the fella but lets face it - he's a Championship novice and learning on the job just like the rest of the management at the club.
Shame that I don't think he'll stick around next season and some other club like WBA will benefit from our teeth cutting |
If we go down Cifuentes won't be here next season
It's critical we stay up this season as relegation could mean five or six years in the lower leagues
If we stay up, the squad is developing also but performances like today just cannot happen |  |
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| Marti got that one wrong on 22:58 - Feb 14 with 5971 views | ted_hendrix |
Look I might be wrong here but I thought Stoke done a job on Sinclair In the first half especially, niggly little fouls on the bloke that they were getting away with thanks to the Ref and you could see Sinclair getting frustrated, a frustrated and angry footballer Is no good to anyone.
All part of the learning curve I guess, doesn't seem all that long ago that he was getting himself offside far too often, he's almost got that part of his game sorted.
Like any defeat I look at the Manager and try to work out If he got his tactics wrong, I don't know tbh, I reckon tonight half of our players didn't turn up.
We just can't put the ball In the net though, In the first 30 odd minutes we could have been 2-0 up?
Who knows? I don't know anymore.................. |  |
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| Marti got that one wrong on 23:02 - Feb 14 with 5933 views | HAYESBOY |
Not sure I agree. I just think the players attitude stank from the off. No energy, no movement for the ball and just lethargic all round.
Add to that even more terrible set plays.
We could have played other formations and players, but if their attitude is not right I'm not sure we would of seen a different outcome. |  |
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| Marti got that one wrong on 23:07 - Feb 14 with 5846 views | Damo1962 |
| Marti got that one wrong on 22:51 - Feb 14 by rbee |
Understand your sentiments FDC but as people keep saying, moving deck chairs around on The Titanic.
What Marti did get wrong tonight, in my opinion, was not firing the players up before kick off. They should of been wound up, straining at the leash etc etc ready for battle. |
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| Marti got that one wrong on 02:17 - Feb 15 with 5675 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Marti got that one wrong on 23:07 - Feb 14 by Damo1962 |
This. |
3 minute No 10's with Armstrong up top who has poor ball control is a high risk call.
Removing the combative spine (and aerial defensiveness) of the team in Dunne, Field + Dykes is a high risk call.
This team needed rid of Dozzell, two mobile CDM's (Hadyn + Field) a new CAM (Hodge or Chair) and Chair + Willock playing closer together.
Not sure it needed reverting to Ainsworth tactics + giving a clearly unfit Frey nearly 40minutes in a must not lose game. | | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 07:56 - Feb 15 with 5278 views | traininvain |
| Marti got that one wrong on 02:17 - Feb 15 by ParkRoyalR |
3 minute No 10's with Armstrong up top who has poor ball control is a high risk call.
Removing the combative spine (and aerial defensiveness) of the team in Dunne, Field + Dykes is a high risk call.
This team needed rid of Dozzell, two mobile CDM's (Hadyn + Field) a new CAM (Hodge or Chair) and Chair + Willock playing closer together.
Not sure it needed reverting to Ainsworth tactics + giving a clearly unfit Frey nearly 40minutes in a must not lose game. |
Let’s not rewrite history, Dunne and Dykes (and dare I say Field) have been p1ss poor all season and that’s why they’ve been dropped.
Armstrong up front has been a key part of our recent run of good form. Our defence has looked a lot more solid with Cook and JCS at its heart and Dunne on the bench. Frey scored on Saturday and looked a handful so again it’s not difficult to see why Cifuentes turned to him again last night.
It didn’t work last night but we were four unbeaten going into the game so it’s a bit strange to suggest that we lost because of not starting two players who were mainstays in our long losing runs earlier in the season. We’re in danger of talking ourselves into blaming another manager (a good one at that) when we should all know by this stage that it’s on the players who failed to turn up yet again to another six pointer.
For what it’s worth I would’ve started Dykes and Willock but I doubt it would’ve made a difference given the overall individual and team performance last night as most our players decided to play like a bunch of tarts. This is deck chairs on the titanic again and the sooner people realise the better, as we might avoid blaming a manager who’s done more than most to give us a chance of staying up this season. [Post edited 15 Feb 8:16]
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| Marti got that one wrong on 08:22 - Feb 15 with 5161 views | Rangersw12 |
| Marti got that one wrong on 02:17 - Feb 15 by ParkRoyalR |
3 minute No 10's with Armstrong up top who has poor ball control is a high risk call.
Removing the combative spine (and aerial defensiveness) of the team in Dunne, Field + Dykes is a high risk call.
This team needed rid of Dozzell, two mobile CDM's (Hadyn + Field) a new CAM (Hodge or Chair) and Chair + Willock playing closer together.
Not sure it needed reverting to Ainsworth tactics + giving a clearly unfit Frey nearly 40minutes in a must not lose game. |
Your constant call for Dunne and Dykes is tiresome
Have you been under a rock for the last 2 years or something as they're both awful players | | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 08:34 - Feb 15 with 5086 views | FDC |
| Marti got that one wrong on 22:51 - Feb 14 by rbee |
Understand your sentiments FDC but as people keep saying, moving deck chairs around on The Titanic.
What Marti did get wrong tonight, in my opinion, was not firing the players up before kick off. They should of been wound up, straining at the leash etc etc ready for battle. |
Yeah maybe, easy to over analyse these things. But it did appear to me that our approach was quite different last night to previous games. | | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 08:43 - Feb 15 with 5035 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Marti got that one wrong on 08:22 - Feb 15 by Rangersw12 |
Your constant call for Dunne and Dykes is tiresome
Have you been under a rock for the last 2 years or something as they're both awful players |
Not sure they are awful, for all his flaws we miss something when Dykes doesn't play. The stuff he does that he gets no credit for.
I would play Dykes and Armstrong at Brizzle City 1st half, stick Frey on 2nd half. May as well go for it now. |  | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 08:48 - Feb 15 with 5015 views | Lblock |
| Marti got that one wrong on 02:17 - Feb 15 by ParkRoyalR |
3 minute No 10's with Armstrong up top who has poor ball control is a high risk call.
Removing the combative spine (and aerial defensiveness) of the team in Dunne, Field + Dykes is a high risk call.
This team needed rid of Dozzell, two mobile CDM's (Hadyn + Field) a new CAM (Hodge or Chair) and Chair + Willock playing closer together.
Not sure it needed reverting to Ainsworth tactics + giving a clearly unfit Frey nearly 40minutes in a must not lose game. |
Frey clearly unfit in terms of match sharpness (not what we all hoped but alas what we expected.... take note Superhoops+number)
However - his movement "intent" is far superior to Dykes in terms of being a striker.
There was quite a few times he was peeling off his man but the ball never came or the packed Sjoke ranks just snuffed out the space.
It really is so sad as if we'd stayed up this season and deals could be done for him and others like him, plus with Marti hanging around, then I think we'd of been a decent watch next season.
As it is the owners will leave an empty husk of a club getting their arses handed to them by League One cloggers from August onwards. | |
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| Marti got that one wrong on 08:50 - Feb 15 with 5002 views | Rangersw12 |
| Marti got that one wrong on 08:43 - Feb 15 by GaryBannister86 |
Not sure they are awful, for all his flaws we miss something when Dykes doesn't play. The stuff he does that he gets no credit for.
I would play Dykes and Armstrong at Brizzle City 1st half, stick Frey on 2nd half. May as well go for it now. |
For me Dykes epitomises everything wrong with this squad . Runs about just about enough to look like he's working hard but he isn't really , has 1 good game in 5 , mentally weak , doesn't put himself about and generally isn't very good .
As for Dunne he is awful and is an Irish Kakay but gets a free pass from loads.on here because of his Irish heritage. | | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 09:15 - Feb 15 with 4889 views | Toast_R |
Completely wrong setup and that's on Marti. Should have been on the front foot with this game with Dykes up top with Armstrong. Stoke's defence ended up having an easy night with us playing on the break with Armstrong who had a terrible game and Smyth. When we did get in behind the rest of the team were miles away. What a cock up. |  | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 09:18 - Feb 15 with 4881 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Marti got that one wrong on 08:50 - Feb 15 by Rangersw12 |
For me Dykes epitomises everything wrong with this squad . Runs about just about enough to look like he's working hard but he isn't really , has 1 good game in 5 , mentally weak , doesn't put himself about and generally isn't very good .
As for Dunne he is awful and is an Irish Kakay but gets a free pass from loads.on here because of his Irish heritage. |
I think you might have said that before, W12, or at least someone has.
FWIW, on a personal level, I don't defend Irish players no more than I defend English players.
I don't particularly rate Smyth, I'm completely undecided on Armstrong, Dunne has been poor for a long time and as for past Irish players - Manning is my least favourite R's player in recent times.
edit - spell check. [Post edited 15 Feb 9:20]
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| Marti got that one wrong on 09:35 - Feb 15 with 4760 views | TheChef |
Probably there are things he might have done differently - but again this is largely on the players.
Good chances early on, if we take one of those we get something out of the game.
Go to sleep at a corner - nothing new there.
Last 10-15 we have all of the ball but quality of delivery and decision making is awful. That is on the players who've shown they can do it when they feel like it. The manager can't put the ball in the net for them. |  |
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| Marti got that one wrong on 10:03 - Feb 15 with 4655 views | thehat |
To be honest I was happy with the team selection when I saw it and thought we would put on a good show.
Unfortunately far to many players were well below par with Chair and Paal having absolute stinkers.
We lacked energy and tempo and our decision making was wrong for the vast majority of the game. Stoke had a game plan how to play us and it worked perfectly for them especially with our now very predictable goal kick routine.
Not surprised we look vulnerable at set pieces Chair, Paal, Hodge, Smyth = Midgets United FC | | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 10:07 - Feb 15 with 4632 views | Pikey |
| Marti got that one wrong on 22:51 - Feb 14 by numptydumpty |
If we go down Cifuentes won't be here next season
It's critical we stay up this season as relegation could mean five or six years in the lower leagues
If we stay up, the squad is developing also but performances like today just cannot happen |
Where will he go? If we go down part of that will be on him not being able to motivate the players or set them up for key games. Stoke,huddersfield et al.
I think in the longer term he could prove tk be a decent manager but at the moment the jury is out, in my opinion | | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 10:13 - Feb 15 with 4574 views | Malintabuk |
| Marti got that one wrong on 10:03 - Feb 15 by thehat |
To be honest I was happy with the team selection when I saw it and thought we would put on a good show.
Unfortunately far to many players were well below par with Chair and Paal having absolute stinkers.
We lacked energy and tempo and our decision making was wrong for the vast majority of the game. Stoke had a game plan how to play us and it worked perfectly for them especially with our now very predictable goal kick routine.
Not surprised we look vulnerable at set pieces Chair, Paal, Hodge, Smyth = Midgets United FC |
Last night we were talking at the game and a lad next to us said when the teams were lining up at the kickoff.... blimey we look a small team and who is going to mark that giant Rose
44th minute we said.... looks like no one is..... [Post edited 15 Feb 10:19]
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| Marti got that one wrong on 10:20 - Feb 15 with 4535 views | golborne |
| Marti got that one wrong on 08:34 - Feb 15 by FDC |
Yeah maybe, easy to over analyse these things. But it did appear to me that our approach was quite different last night to previous games. |
We attacked more in the first 10 mins than any other game in this recent run, when we’ve mostly been flat and needed to grow into the game?
A better finish from Smyth in the first few minutes and it would have been a different game.
CH had Sinclair in his pocket. He should have tried to come a few yards shorter at times to bring him out of his zone, or at least give him a decision to make. He’d easily make up those yards. He’s the first CH that Sinclair hasn’t been able to bounce, so getting dragged into a physical battle was a dead end.
Only gripe I’d have is not getting Willock on earlier. Smyth got himself into two great positions, but don’t think he got a cross in the whole game. LB did very well when defending against speed on the flanks, it needed something different on that side as they were doubling up on Chair. Bristol City have just beaten the in form team for the past months and now play a bottom 3 team on Saturday. They’re already sharpening their knives and salivating at the football feast ahead, but this is the Championship…they’d have taken 4 points at the beginning of the week and that’s what they’ll get at best. Can’t remember 2 off performances in a row under Marti. Ipswich split the 2 Xmas games. We’ll be fine now that we have some depth | | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 10:57 - Feb 15 with 4403 views | QPRConor2000 |
| Marti got that one wrong on 10:07 - Feb 15 by Pikey |
Where will he go? If we go down part of that will be on him not being able to motivate the players or set them up for key games. Stoke,huddersfield et al.
I think in the longer term he could prove tk be a decent manager but at the moment the jury is out, in my opinion |
Marti has been here for 19 games, thats still too soon to judge him imo.
The reality is that whilst he brought four players in last month which does help with depth, this is still largely the same group of players who have been underperforming for some time.
Marti did get some things wrong yesterday, but like any good manager, you have to reflect and learn from it and im sure he will. | | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 11:38 - Feb 15 with 4257 views | lassel |
I really thought that after last night the lightbulb would flicker on for some people about what Marti has been saying since he arrived here.
When he said he wants his players to be ‘brave’ he doesn’t mean he wants them wrestling with lions, he means that when Chair gets it on the break he wants him to have a go at his full back, not stand on the ball, do a step over and pass it back into Colback.
He wants Paal to not hide like a fcking ghost behind his man whenever Begovic has the ball, he wants Colback/Hayden/Hodge to be busting a gut to get up and support Armstrong.
He spends most of our games prowling the sidelines shouting at the players to be on the front foot. He actively hates most of these players and it shows.
The one thing that I agree is baffling is the meek acceptance of Paal poncing around like he’s fcking Beckenbauer taking all the throw ins, all the set pieces when he cannot cross a ball.
But then at the same time we have senior players here - Begovic, Hayden, Cook, Colback they’ve all played with quality players and are well paid to be leaders yet they all seemingly go along with this bullshit production, plodding up for corners and free kicks that they know full well won’t pass the first man and none of them are in Paals ear telling him to cut it out and let someone take one who can cross a ball…
No responsibility, no desire, no fcking clues in this team of losers. | | | |
| Marti got that one wrong on 11:59 - Feb 15 with 4182 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Marti got that one wrong on 08:50 - Feb 15 by Rangersw12 |
For me Dykes epitomises everything wrong with this squad . Runs about just about enough to look like he's working hard but he isn't really , has 1 good game in 5 , mentally weak , doesn't put himself about and generally isn't very good .
As for Dunne he is awful and is an Irish Kakay but gets a free pass from loads.on here because of his Irish heritage. |
Not sure that's true.
We used to give Kerry Dixon, Dion Dublin, Alan Cork, and Tyrone Mings absolute pelters when they came to LR. Even Shaun Derry (before he joined) was the recipient of the thick end of some barbed comments from SAR. |  |
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| Marti got that one wrong on 12:07 - Feb 15 with 4128 views | dm97 |
He’s allowed to make mistakes as others on here have rightly said and explained. I do think we are slightly over hyping him right now. Don’t be me wrong definitely a huge positive for the club, but this idea that he definitely wont be here next season because he’s somehow above League 1 is overly pessimistic doom mongering imo. For a few reasons:
1. He’s not the messiah he’s just a very Marti boy - he’s doing a good job, but that is all it is; good. If we go down he will have been in charge for majority of the games. Not his fault sure, but I don’t think a middling champs club takes a punt on a relegated manager jsut because he’s better than GA (spoiler, most at this level are).
2. No one resigns in football, unless you’re named Jurgen, Pep, Sir Alex - he won’t walk away, because nobody walks away in football. JDT ‘offering to resign’ smells and looks like BS from a guy who wanted to be moved on, we ‘let Warbs’ contract run down’. Both were in reality sacked, the execs just had a PR guy smooth it over.
3. Clear out and rebuild - I know we’re damning about ourselves right now, but having a proper clear out and headroom to completely rebuild a pretty historic London club in league one is probably more attractive than we allow ourselves to think. Could it crash and burn? Yes absolutely. Would a lot of managers (including Marti) be attracted to that project and would it appeal to their egos to be the one to turn QPR around? Yes absolutely.
4. Previous - as stated elsewhere many times, he did this with Aalborg before getting the hamarby gig. Linked to above, what looks better for Marti? Leaving as the guy who took qpr down (whether true or not, it’ll be seen as his relegation as much as GA from the outside) or the guy who brought us back and rebuilt (go with me for the thought experiment).
5. Finally, pride and decency - maybe I’m romantic here but I think he’s fundamentally a good bloke. He doesn’t strike me as a Beale, queue him leaving Oct 2024 and me eating my words, and he feels like someone who has pride - a hell of a lot more than this crop - in his work.
Bit of a tangent to OP but had to get this off my chest after reading a few things here and on Twitter (aka X) [Post edited 15 Feb 12:08]
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| Marti got that one wrong on 12:19 - Feb 15 with 4079 views | Hooping_Mad |
Last night the setup and selection was wrong, and he didn't change it when maybe he should have. If he can learn when to pull the trigger he will be a really good manager.
He's still a breath of fresh air even after last night, but he did balls that up. | |
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