| Defending corners. 17:48 - Jan 6 with 5283 views | connell10 |
Marti should call a training session tomorrow and just practice defending against dead balls. Over and over again until our useless players get it into their thick heads. |  |
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| Defending corners. on 20:54 - Jan 6 with 1320 views | Match82 |
| Defending corners. on 18:30 - Jan 6 by lassel |
I mean they undoubtedly practice to insanity defending set pieces but that doesn’t legislate for everyone switching off to the second phase and watching them pass it around us into the box and have Dunne shank a ball he didn’t need to go for into his own net.
Equally for the second, Larkeche was the tallest outfield player at 6’0. You can’t legislate in training for him missing the ball and the 6’5 centre forward getting to it.
With that said, the zonal defending setup clearly doesn’t work, but would any of you actually trust these losers to stay switched on enough to track and outfight their man? Going man for man still wouldn’t have eradicated the 5” height advantage for Moore at every set piece, not eradicated Begovic reacting at the speed of a smoke alarm with a dead battery. |
Fairly sure that was Fox's man. On the replay it looked like Moore ran through traffic, probably part of a routine on their part, which blocked Fox off from following. Then Larkeche jumped at missed at the near post, Begovoic hesitated because he saw Larkeche jump, and Moore got there first.
Many many ways that could have been prevented - Fox could have fought harder through traffic, Larkeche could have been told only jump if you know you can get to it, Begovoic could have just commanded his area and taken control of that situation. Seems like we need to go back to the basics, in this case ANYTHING in the 6 yard box is Begovics and everyone else is just told to get out of his way. |  | | |
| Defending corners. on 22:12 - Jan 6 with 1222 views | EN_Ranger |
| Defending corners. on 18:30 - Jan 6 by lassel |
I mean they undoubtedly practice to insanity defending set pieces but that doesn’t legislate for everyone switching off to the second phase and watching them pass it around us into the box and have Dunne shank a ball he didn’t need to go for into his own net.
Equally for the second, Larkeche was the tallest outfield player at 6’0. You can’t legislate in training for him missing the ball and the 6’5 centre forward getting to it.
With that said, the zonal defending setup clearly doesn’t work, but would any of you actually trust these losers to stay switched on enough to track and outfight their man? Going man for man still wouldn’t have eradicated the 5” height advantage for Moore at every set piece, not eradicated Begovic reacting at the speed of a smoke alarm with a dead battery. |
Dunne is crap but tbf it wasn’t a shank, it was leathered at him and deflected in, it happens |  | | |
| Defending corners. on 22:22 - Jan 6 with 1200 views | Dorse |
| Defending corners. on 19:25 - Jan 6 by daveB |
the keeper should go to that local goalkeeper school to see how to deal with corners |
'Now lads, that round thing is called, er, a 'ball', it says here. And when the opposition kick it towards us from the corner, you have to stop it from going into that climbing frame thing behind me. Now, I've looked at the rules and it says the 'Goaliekeepers can use their hands to play the ball'... really? When did that happen? You mean we can actually just catch the sodding thing? Well, I never. Anyway, I used to play for Chelsea you know. That'll be £200'. |  |
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| Defending corners. on 23:24 - Jan 6 with 1114 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Defending corners. on 18:36 - Jan 6 by lassel |
A manager did exactly that in Critchley - he told you to your face that these losers are completely uncoachable with the integrity of tracing paper and the players threw such a complete and utter tantrum that we had to sack him to avoid 5/6/7-0 defeats every week for the rest of the season. We only stayed up due to a genuine miracle.
If Marti fronted up tomorrow and said it in public how he is in private, you’d want him sacked for writing off the rest of the season (and the next few seasons with it). [Post edited 6 Jan 18:37]
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Stop making assumptions about me, and you're also exaggerating Critchley's words. I also don't want Cifuentes sacked, obviously, now or any time soon, or I'd say so. NC did say, as I recall, the players lacked bravery and pride, as did Paul Hall, so I'd going to be interested to see the players' response to Marti's hardly less scathing, if more oblique, post-match interview tonight, in which he more or less said we need new players and called out Armstrong etc. for his man-/space-marking failures, whatever system we're supposed to be playing.
I do and will accept much of the criticism of these players' serious shortcomings, but I will not agree that they are so, well, short, that the manager + coaching team bear no responsibility at all for our abject set pieces, for instance. As for one poster saying 'it's the same players failing' since Warburton when we have a completely remodelled back-line from even Beale's set-up, get a grip! Sure, I'm with you on the likes of Dykes and Dozzell, but, to hear some talk as if our team were a never-changing group of accursed shitheads, you'd think it was exactly the same team letting everyone down for 2-3 years (even though, blow me down, that team was also flying high at one time under both Warburton and Beale). Mind you, looking for nuance from (some) football fans is a fool's errand, especially when it gets in the way of some kind of totalitarian thesis. [Post edited 6 Jan 23:26]
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| Defending corners. on 09:46 - Jan 7 with 979 views | Blue_Castello |
| Defending corners. on 18:18 - Jan 6 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Mate, you really are not understanding of the issues. These players have done the same thing for years.
Under Warburton the same thing was happening.
Do you go to games? |
Spot on we have been poor at defending set pieces for years, the way previous Managers like Warburton overcame this was to revert to a back three, it wasn't till we did this with Dickie, Dunne and Barbet that we started looking a lot more solid. I think Ainsworth spotted the problem as well he used Kakay as an extra centre half, it's not the way forward we should be able to defend better but if something isn't working you do something to fix it until you have the players able to play with a back four.
Earlier in the season we played with wing backs and looked more solid, the problem was we didn't want to play football and just kept lumping it forward. Warburton implemented the three centre backs after he was under pressure for us being rubbish defensively, we then improved significantly, in that department. [Post edited 7 Jan 9:49]
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| Defending corners. on 11:32 - Jan 7 with 907 views | TheChef |
| Defending corners. on 22:12 - Jan 6 by EN_Ranger |
Dunne is crap but tbf it wasn’t a shank, it was leathered at him and deflected in, it happens |
Yeah that was unlucky, if the ball hadn't deflected then the shot was going straight at Begovic.
As for the second corner, I think Begovic has to deal with that. Assuming he correctly reads the flight of the ball!
Was just classic QPR yesterday. |  |
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| Defending corners. on 15:54 - Jan 7 with 804 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Defending corners. on 09:46 - Jan 7 by Blue_Castello |
Spot on we have been poor at defending set pieces for years, the way previous Managers like Warburton overcame this was to revert to a back three, it wasn't till we did this with Dickie, Dunne and Barbet that we started looking a lot more solid. I think Ainsworth spotted the problem as well he used Kakay as an extra centre half, it's not the way forward we should be able to defend better but if something isn't working you do something to fix it until you have the players able to play with a back four.
Earlier in the season we played with wing backs and looked more solid, the problem was we didn't want to play football and just kept lumping it forward. Warburton implemented the three centre backs after he was under pressure for us being rubbish defensively, we then improved significantly, in that department. [Post edited 7 Jan 9:49]
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See above. Your comments are idiotic. The defence personnel was completely different under Warburton and even Beale. Are you trying to say there's some kind of metaphysical demon doing the rounds at QPR that ensures we can/can't do this or that irrespective of who's wearing the shirts, i.e. we're just cursed? [Post edited 7 Jan 15:55]
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| Defending corners. on 16:00 - Jan 7 with 784 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Defending corners. on 19:02 - Jan 6 by CateLeBonR |
I don't remember us being this bad at defending corners under Ainsworth. Just about everything else was crap but defending corners we were ok at. Can we not just go back to that system? It's basically the same players. The defence as a whole is much better now (obviously not today). Just being ok at defending corners would improve this side immeasurably.
I always hate it when I hear people describe us as "embarrassing" but today it was embarrassing. |
it's come to something when voices here are now talking about going back to anything Ainsworthian. As for our defensive performances under him, have you forgotten the drubbing at Blackpool - every goal but one from a set piece, as I recall?
At the same time, as Marti's pointed out, we've only conceded 5 goals in open play in 10-11 games, I think - and about twice as many from set pieces. Unfortunately, he and his players also seem to be incapable of taking one that clears the first defender. | |
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| Defending corners. on 16:27 - Jan 7 with 754 views | Silverfoxqpr |
We successfully defended two corners in a row in the second half. Amazing scenes, it can be done. |  | | |
| Defending corners. on 17:01 - Jan 7 with 705 views | CateLeBonR |
| Defending corners. on 16:00 - Jan 7 by stainrods_elbow |
it's come to something when voices here are now talking about going back to anything Ainsworthian. As for our defensive performances under him, have you forgotten the drubbing at Blackpool - every goal but one from a set piece, as I recall?
At the same time, as Marti's pointed out, we've only conceded 5 goals in open play in 10-11 games, I think - and about twice as many from set pieces. Unfortunately, he and his players also seem to be incapable of taking one that clears the first defender. |
I did say everything else was crap under Ainsworth and that the defence as a whole is much better now. So not sure what your point is 🤷🏼♂️ |  | | |
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