| what difference does a year make? 18:16 - Jan 1 with 4205 views | vetchonian |
Well this time last year we were 15th on 35 points today we are 16th with 32 points.
So despite losing out talisman goal scorer ,and ditching our manager a month ago we are not really miles away from last season which was the second of the then managers reign and 1 and a half seasons into his process.
Yes we are manager less but in terms of league position and points we are not really that far behind where we found ourselves this time last season.
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| what difference does a year make? on 18:24 - Jan 1 with 3129 views | jack247 |
If we finish the season in 10th with saleable assets again, I’ll agree with you. I’ll reserve judgement for the moment. | | | |
| what difference does a year make? on 18:24 - Jan 1 with 3124 views | Whiterockin |
I'm more concerned where we will be at the close of the window. We are at risk of losing our loan players for various reasons and I expect Cullen and Wood to be sold. Will our squad be stronger or weaker in a months time, we don't have a history for being better at the end of January than the start. |  | | |
| what difference does a year make? on 18:56 - Jan 1 with 3067 views | vetchonian |
| what difference does a year make? on 18:24 - Jan 1 by jack247 |
If we finish the season in 10th with saleable assets again, I’ll agree with you. I’ll reserve judgement for the moment. |
who knows where we will finish but my point was to highlight that given the turmoil of this season and.losing Piroe despite the.postings of many we are virtually where we were this time last year so despite the protestations we are not sliding toward lg2.... | |
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| what difference does a year make? on 19:02 - Jan 1 with 3054 views | jack247 |
| what difference does a year make? on 18:56 - Jan 1 by vetchonian |
who knows where we will finish but my point was to highlight that given the turmoil of this season and.losing Piroe despite the.postings of many we are virtually where we were this time last year so despite the protestations we are not sliding toward lg2.... |
I don’t think we are either.
Did you think we were doing ok this time last year? | | | |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:07 - Jan 1 with 3037 views | Dr_Winston |
We were horrendously underperforming at this time last year when you consider what essentially the same squad demonstrated that it was capable of towards the end of the season.
I'd say that we're underperforming this time as well, although there are probably more glaring weaknesses in the squad this time around. The complete lack of pace and midfielder capable of consistently breaking the lines being the obvious two. |  |
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| what difference does a year make? on 19:14 - Jan 1 with 3015 views | vetchonian |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:07 - Jan 1 by Dr_Winston |
We were horrendously underperforming at this time last year when you consider what essentially the same squad demonstrated that it was capable of towards the end of the season.
I'd say that we're underperforming this time as well, although there are probably more glaring weaknesses in the squad this time around. The complete lack of pace and midfielder capable of consistently breaking the lines being the obvious two. |
I wouldn't disagree Doc
My OP was to bring some perspective to the tales of woe posting of late.
As you say as last season we this squad though withnmore holes than last years is also underperforming as we saw a year ago hopefully a new manager can come in and get the sort of turnaround we saw last season when the fraud finally abandoned his process | |
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| what difference does a year make? on 19:24 - Jan 1 with 2986 views | jack247 |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:07 - Jan 1 by Dr_Winston |
We were horrendously underperforming at this time last year when you consider what essentially the same squad demonstrated that it was capable of towards the end of the season.
I'd say that we're underperforming this time as well, although there are probably more glaring weaknesses in the squad this time around. The complete lack of pace and midfielder capable of consistently breaking the lines being the obvious two. |
If we’re honest. That squad should never have gone on that mental run of defeats and draws, but it had absolutely no right to win 8 of the last 10 games or whatever it was either.
I completely agree that we were underperforming until he abandoned his process, but suggesting that run at the end of the season was where we should have been is probably stretching it a bit. | | | |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:31 - Jan 1 with 2968 views | Dr_Winston |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:24 - Jan 1 by jack247 |
If we’re honest. That squad should never have gone on that mental run of defeats and draws, but it had absolutely no right to win 8 of the last 10 games or whatever it was either.
I completely agree that we were underperforming until he abandoned his process, but suggesting that run at the end of the season was where we should have been is probably stretching it a bit. |
Of course. We'd never have been able to maintain that level of performance for an entire season, but ultimately we fell only three points short of the playoffs. Effectively four given how inferior our goal difference was thanks to our often shambolically organised defence.
The squad we had was capable of promotion. Man for man were Luton really that much better? We basically threw away the opportunity because of one man's ego. One man who somehow remains a hero to many despite that. | |
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| what difference does a year make? on 19:38 - Jan 1 with 2933 views | jack247 |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:31 - Jan 1 by Dr_Winston |
Of course. We'd never have been able to maintain that level of performance for an entire season, but ultimately we fell only three points short of the playoffs. Effectively four given how inferior our goal difference was thanks to our often shambolically organised defence.
The squad we had was capable of promotion. Man for man were Luton really that much better? We basically threw away the opportunity because of one man's ego. One man who somehow remains a hero to many despite that. |
That’s a different point, but one I agree with.
The points tally wasn’t too far away from where you’d consider acceptable for a team without a right back, but I do agree, if he’d managed us a bit more for us and a bit less to put himself in the shop window, we could have easily made the playoffs. | | | |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:46 - Jan 1 with 2896 views | Dr_Winston |
It's hard not to again mention the name Morgan Whittaker.
Thirteen goals and four assists so far this season. More in both categories than Piroe has for Leeds. Joint second top scorer in the division. Demonstrating what he's capable of when given the opportunity.
Sold for a million. Worth considerably more than that if he keeps going as he is. Time and time again some people asked for him to be given a serious chance. Restricted to limited cameos invariably out of position by a manager who clearly had no respect for him. | |
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| what difference does a year make? on 19:48 - Jan 1 with 2888 views | KeithHaynes |
Always said you have to turn the year on thirty five ish points to stay in with the play offs. This side is in a position as good as last seasons, and yes that run killed any chance of the play offs even though at the end we came so close.
Nobody would have touched us in the play offs last season, but it’s all ifs and buts.
Once again we turn the year with some hope, and we all know what four wins on the bang can do. Will this lot speculate like they didn’t last season ? That’s the issue because they’ve let promotion slip too many times.
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| what difference does a year make? on 19:54 - Jan 1 with 2859 views | Dr_Winston |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:48 - Jan 1 by KeithHaynes |
Always said you have to turn the year on thirty five ish points to stay in with the play offs. This side is in a position as good as last seasons, and yes that run killed any chance of the play offs even though at the end we came so close.
Nobody would have touched us in the play offs last season, but it’s all ifs and buts.
Once again we turn the year with some hope, and we all know what four wins on the bang can do. Will this lot speculate like they didn’t last season ? That’s the issue because they’ve let promotion slip too many times.
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They didn't need to speculate last season. The squad was already good enough. The manager wasn't. | |
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| what difference does a year make? on 19:55 - Jan 1 with 2853 views | KeithHaynes |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:54 - Jan 1 by Dr_Winston |
They didn't need to speculate last season. The squad was already good enough. The manager wasn't. |
That’s just opinion, and not really worth a revisit.
A blank January ensured this side didn’t go up. | |
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| what difference does a year make? on 20:03 - Jan 1 with 2819 views | Dr_Winston |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:55 - Jan 1 by KeithHaynes |
That’s just opinion, and not really worth a revisit.
A blank January ensured this side didn’t go up. |
Russell Martin's ego ensured that this side didn't go up.
We could have spent millions on players and gone nowhere whilst he was still obsessed with his "process". We did spend millions on players and went nowhere whilst he was obsessed with his process. | |
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| what difference does a year make? on 20:04 - Jan 1 with 2807 views | grabsplatter |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:54 - Jan 1 by Dr_Winston |
They didn't need to speculate last season. The squad was already good enough. The manager wasn't. |
Signing Key in January would have made us far stronger |  | | |
| what difference does a year make? on 20:07 - Jan 1 with 2789 views | vetchonian |
| what difference does a year make? on 20:03 - Jan 1 by Dr_Winston |
Russell Martin's ego ensured that this side didn't go up.
We could have spent millions on players and gone nowhere whilst he was still obsessed with his "process". We did spend millions on players and went nowhere whilst he was obsessed with his process. |
wasting your time Doc ....that great manager has still got a love fest amongst many on here despite achieving little.....if only he had had a stronger squad but those pesky owners let him down [Post edited 1 Jan 20:10]
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| what difference does a year make? on 20:08 - Jan 1 with 2785 views | Dr_Winston |
| what difference does a year make? on 20:04 - Jan 1 by grabsplatter |
Signing Key in January would have made us far stronger |
He'd have been just another player instructed to be "brave" and make suicidally stupid passes in our own defensive third. | |
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| what difference does a year make? on 20:15 - Jan 1 with 2766 views | jack247 |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:46 - Jan 1 by Dr_Winston |
It's hard not to again mention the name Morgan Whittaker.
Thirteen goals and four assists so far this season. More in both categories than Piroe has for Leeds. Joint second top scorer in the division. Demonstrating what he's capable of when given the opportunity.
Sold for a million. Worth considerably more than that if he keeps going as he is. Time and time again some people asked for him to be given a serious chance. Restricted to limited cameos invariably out of position by a manager who clearly had no respect for him. |
Should have stayed at Plymouth and plenty of us were saying that at the time.
Martin didn’t want him back
He didn’t want to come back
Had we let him stay there, either his transfer fee would have been closer to his ability, or he may even have been happy to play for us this season with Martin gone. | | | |
| what difference does a year make? on 20:18 - Jan 1 with 2758 views | Dr_Winston |
| what difference does a year make? on 20:15 - Jan 1 by jack247 |
Should have stayed at Plymouth and plenty of us were saying that at the time.
Martin didn’t want him back
He didn’t want to come back
Had we let him stay there, either his transfer fee would have been closer to his ability, or he may even have been happy to play for us this season with Martin gone. |
Should have stayed here in the first place and been given a decent opportunity. Your suggestion would have been the second best option. [Post edited 1 Jan 20:18]
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| what difference does a year make? on 20:20 - Jan 1 with 2747 views | jack247 |
| what difference does a year make? on 20:18 - Jan 1 by Dr_Winston |
Should have stayed here in the first place and been given a decent opportunity. Your suggestion would have been the second best option. [Post edited 1 Jan 20:18]
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Both would have been better than the way it panned out.
Let’s be honest, no one is faultless in this. | | | |
| what difference does a year make? on 20:23 - Jan 1 with 2735 views | RichardO |
So have we established that we have a team who could potentially challenge for the play off.
I personally don't think so but have we a manager in Sheehan that has provided a team who in the first half was relatively solid some may say much like the first half against Southampton but the players didn't help themselves in the second half, the same could be said Martin's teams preformance the second game agIanst Burnley last season but instead of the team cracking under the pressure today Sheehan with the same 11 who finished the first half changed the style of play to win the game.
So has he earned enough credit to take the helm until the end of the season? | | | |
| what difference does a year make? on 20:32 - Jan 1 with 2705 views | vetchonian |
Still not decided on giving Sheehan the rest of the season.
He is still putting round pegs into square holes that fit but don't fill the slot...Others have made comments about Cullen out wide and Lowe in the middle for example but it does seem he the players on board and does seem to be able to switch tactics etc during the game.
This January like last year will be interesting in the least...if the manager situation is not resolved will potential targets want to join?
If there is an imminent managerial appointment will any identified targets match the style of play that person favours? | |
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| what difference does a year make? on 20:33 - Jan 1 with 2704 views | vetchonian |
| what difference does a year make? on 19:55 - Jan 1 by KeithHaynes |
That’s just opinion, and not really worth a revisit.
A blank January ensured this side didn’t go up. |
that's just an opinion | |
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| what difference does a year make? on 20:47 - Jan 1 with 2683 views | jack247 |
| what difference does a year make? on 20:32 - Jan 1 by vetchonian |
Still not decided on giving Sheehan the rest of the season.
He is still putting round pegs into square holes that fit but don't fill the slot...Others have made comments about Cullen out wide and Lowe in the middle for example but it does seem he the players on board and does seem to be able to switch tactics etc during the game.
This January like last year will be interesting in the least...if the manager situation is not resolved will potential targets want to join?
If there is an imminent managerial appointment will any identified targets match the style of play that person favours? |
I agree with this. It’s not so much about whether he has earned it for me, as whether there are better options within our budget. If we can get as good now as we will be able to in the summer, there no point.
Duff came in and somehow convinced half our fanbase the first 10 games were a tune up. It took the best part of a season for the players to get comfortable with Martins system. Would be nice to avoid that next time. | | | |
| what difference does a year make? on 20:52 - Jan 1 with 2669 views | swancity |
We were a mix table side last season and we are this season too
It’s that simple. It’s pointless bringing the merits of last seasons manager into it albeit he did superbly well to get us near to the play offs with absent disinterested owners and a lack of real direction and leadership around him.
We will finish between 11 th and 15th this season. We certainly aren’t as good as we were last season but the players that have left haven’t been suitably replaced albeit we are stronger in goal with Rushworth. | |
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