| Ainsworth 17:14 - Sep 30 with 137595 views | Gloucs_R |
Needs to be a discussion had.....
The squad we've got are not bottom 3.
We're getting tactically outmanoeuvred at home almost every time we play.
It's not a lack of experience in the team anymore. A lack of firepower, possibly, but we should be better than this.
Edit, perhaps I should have said our starting xi are not bottom 3. I agree, the overall squad is poor. [Post edited 30 Sep 2023 17:29]
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| Ainsworth on 09:45 - Oct 22 with 3768 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Ainsworth on 07:56 - Oct 22 by traininvain |
Anyone else get the feeling that our owners want Ainsworth to quit so they don’t have to pay him off. It’s the only logical explanation as to why he’s still in the job.
If Ainsworth cares about the club half as much as he says, he’ll do the right thing and admit he’s completely out of his depth. Not holding my breath. |
I was thinking that this morning.
1. They won't sack him, and probably hoping he quits after the Leicester massacre. The crowd is going to be hostile I think.
2. The owners are prepping the club to be sold off so won't want another big compensation package. Leave it for someone else to clear up. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on 09:45 - Oct 22 with 3770 views | PunteR |
| Ainsworth on 20:00 - Oct 21 by BostonR |
Usual question - who’s buying a club that is losing £2M a month? |
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| Ainsworth on 10:01 - Oct 22 with 3669 views | TK1 |
| Ainsworth on 19:38 - Oct 21 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Over hiring an expensive anchor like Bruce or Alladyce? Yes. |
I don't think we need to be quite so Drama Queens Park Rangers about this - someone mentions us dropping out of league football on this thread.
Let's be pragmatic. Hire Warnock to keep us up as he did with Huddersfield (who squad-wise had a similar profile last season). You ask about motivation: a nice big bonus at the end of it, which comes of out of next season's FFP. Warnock does everything for money and ego: we can satisfy both.
Then shake hands in the summer, hire a DOF who appoints the head coach for next season, and away we go.
None of this has to be the end of the world. It's what football clubs do. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 10:20 - Oct 22 with 3583 views | Gloucs_R |
| Ainsworth on 08:03 - Oct 22 by Monkey_Roots |
I honestly believe that there is something afoot - either a DOF/CEO incoming to take over operations and make the decisions, or we’re in the middle of getting sold, and some kind of legal issue is preventing us from making a change.
Either/and/or, the board just don’t know what they’re doing. |
Balance the books, sell the club.
If we go down, watch the fire sale.
Everything must go. | |
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| Ainsworth on 10:58 - Oct 22 with 3449 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Ainsworth on 10:01 - Oct 22 by TK1 |
I don't think we need to be quite so Drama Queens Park Rangers about this - someone mentions us dropping out of league football on this thread.
Let's be pragmatic. Hire Warnock to keep us up as he did with Huddersfield (who squad-wise had a similar profile last season). You ask about motivation: a nice big bonus at the end of it, which comes of out of next season's FFP. Warnock does everything for money and ego: we can satisfy both.
Then shake hands in the summer, hire a DOF who appoints the head coach for next season, and away we go.
None of this has to be the end of the world. It's what football clubs do. |
I agree on pragmatism.
That doesn’t involve Warnock though. Someone is going to be holding the scandal grenade when it goes off.
It’s not a sure thing he’ll keep us up either. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on 11:11 - Oct 22 with 3382 views | TK1 |
| Ainsworth on 10:58 - Oct 22 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I agree on pragmatism.
That doesn’t involve Warnock though. Someone is going to be holding the scandal grenade when it goes off.
It’s not a sure thing he’ll keep us up either. |
Not sure anyone can definitely keep us up at this stage, but he has a fairly good track record of it dealing with similar squads. I'm more certain that Ainsworth takes us down - and that if he doesn't pick up at least two points from next six he's out anyway (if he isn't gone before West Brom).
I absolutely wouldn't want Warnock at any other time - but this is an emergency of the kind he's the most expert in. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 12:53 - Oct 22 with 3095 views | Northernr |
Spending two weeks of international break to come up with Albert Adomah at right wing back is not the one. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on 13:02 - Oct 22 with 3046 views | danehoop |
| Ainsworth on 12:53 - Oct 22 by Northernr |
Spending two weeks of international break to come up with Albert Adomah at right wing back is not the one. |
Disappointing as his selection was, sadly I didn't think his was the poorest performance of our players on Saturday. |  |
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| Ainsworth on 13:04 - Oct 22 with 3032 views | Northernr |
| Ainsworth on 13:02 - Oct 22 by danehoop |
Disappointing as his selection was, sadly I didn't think his was the poorest performance of our players on Saturday. |
Agreed, but that's like having a conversation over who is the most vacuous Kardashian. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 15:51 - Oct 22 with 2737 views | kensalriser |
I don't really buy the club is being prepared for sale narrative.
That's like preparing your house for sale by not fixing the cracked windows, leaky gutters and rubble strewn driveway instead of cleaning and tidying it up, repairing anything broken and giving it a lick of paint like most people do.
Not that they wouldn't snatch someone's arm off if there was the chance. |  |
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| Ainsworth on 15:54 - Oct 22 with 2725 views | Northernr |
| Ainsworth on 15:51 - Oct 22 by kensalriser |
I don't really buy the club is being prepared for sale narrative.
That's like preparing your house for sale by not fixing the cracked windows, leaky gutters and rubble strewn driveway instead of cleaning and tidying it up, repairing anything broken and giving it a lick of paint like most people do.
Not that they wouldn't snatch someone's arm off if there was the chance. |
I agree with you about 98% of the way. The one caveat is, as I said last week, not only would it cost you a ridiculous sum just to get the keys to the place before you even start doing work on it, the FFP rules at our level and us being so tight to the line on them means you're buying a team that needs surgery in every area and you're not allowed to do it. Whether you're a sheikh or an oligarch or a chancer or whatever one would suspect if you were buying a football club with a team like ours you'd want to at least initially chuck some money at the team. You can't do that here. If it were in League One, you could spend what you liked, so it might be a more attractive proposition. We talk about how Sunderlan and Ipswich successfully rebuilt their sides at that level - both got bought out while in League One. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 16:56 - Oct 22 with 2557 views | traininvain |
| Ainsworth on 15:54 - Oct 22 by Northernr |
I agree with you about 98% of the way. The one caveat is, as I said last week, not only would it cost you a ridiculous sum just to get the keys to the place before you even start doing work on it, the FFP rules at our level and us being so tight to the line on them means you're buying a team that needs surgery in every area and you're not allowed to do it. Whether you're a sheikh or an oligarch or a chancer or whatever one would suspect if you were buying a football club with a team like ours you'd want to at least initially chuck some money at the team. You can't do that here. If it were in League One, you could spend what you liked, so it might be a more attractive proposition. We talk about how Sunderlan and Ipswich successfully rebuilt their sides at that level - both got bought out while in League One. |
I might be wrong but surely a Championship club is a much more attractive proposition than league one etc because you’re only one promotion away from the Premiership and all its riches. Even with FFP restrictions you’ve still got an outside chance in the Championship if the club is run properly (see Luton last season and we weren’t a million miles off under Warburton).
I know you’re not advocating it but it’d be a big roll of the dice to see relegation to league one as some kind of reset to come back stronger. It could easily go the other way and end up dropping through the divisions.
Plenty of former Championship level clubs stuck in league one for years (Charlton, Portsmouth, Derby etc) despite having bigger budgets than most the clubs in the league. Granted some have used it as a launchpad to get into the Premiership (Leicester, Southampton etc) but more have tried and failed.
Obviously finances play a key part but the common denominator for successful clubs in any league is being well run with hands on owners or CEO. Luton have shown that you don’t need to outspend the competition to get promoted from the Championship. [Post edited 22 Oct 2023 16:57]
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| Ainsworth on 17:05 - Oct 22 with 2506 views | FDC |
Quite hypnotic this. Could see a hip-hop beat working well on top of it.
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| Ainsworth on 17:51 - Oct 22 with 2389 views | Gloucs_R |
| Ainsworth on 15:54 - Oct 22 by Northernr |
I agree with you about 98% of the way. The one caveat is, as I said last week, not only would it cost you a ridiculous sum just to get the keys to the place before you even start doing work on it, the FFP rules at our level and us being so tight to the line on them means you're buying a team that needs surgery in every area and you're not allowed to do it. Whether you're a sheikh or an oligarch or a chancer or whatever one would suspect if you were buying a football club with a team like ours you'd want to at least initially chuck some money at the team. You can't do that here. If it were in League One, you could spend what you liked, so it might be a more attractive proposition. We talk about how Sunderlan and Ipswich successfully rebuilt their sides at that level - both got bought out while in League One. |
Agree. How do you rebuild in the championship when you're in a dilapidated ground and getting 13k attendances? | |
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| Ainsworth on 19:12 - Oct 22 with 2224 views | connell10 |
| Ainsworth on 07:36 - Oct 22 by derbyhoop |
I'll repeat what I said on the match thread.
1. We cant afford to sack him
2. We cant afford a replacement
3. if we could fi d somebody of sound mind, to come in we havent got any money to make any changes in personnel. |
But if the crowd turn what choice do they have? It's gonna get very nasty if this carries on . |  |
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| Ainsworth on 20:01 - Oct 22 with 2115 views | Match82 |
| Ainsworth on 10:01 - Oct 22 by TK1 |
I don't think we need to be quite so Drama Queens Park Rangers about this - someone mentions us dropping out of league football on this thread.
Let's be pragmatic. Hire Warnock to keep us up as he did with Huddersfield (who squad-wise had a similar profile last season). You ask about motivation: a nice big bonus at the end of it, which comes of out of next season's FFP. Warnock does everything for money and ego: we can satisfy both.
Then shake hands in the summer, hire a DOF who appoints the head coach for next season, and away we go.
None of this has to be the end of the world. It's what football clubs do. |
Didn't we try this with Warnock in 2015? Then he changed his mind about shaking hands and walking away? |  | | |
| Ainsworth on 20:21 - Oct 22 with 2049 views | PunteR |
Why was we so quick to sack Critchley and now keep Ainsworth on? | |
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| Ainsworth on 20:24 - Oct 22 with 2027 views | QPROslo |
| Ainsworth on 20:21 - Oct 22 by PunteR |
Why was we so quick to sack Critchley and now keep Ainsworth on? |
This season's very tight FFP is my guess. | | | |
| Ainsworth on 21:20 - Oct 22 with 1831 views | ManinBlack |
| Ainsworth on 16:56 - Oct 22 by traininvain |
I might be wrong but surely a Championship club is a much more attractive proposition than league one etc because you’re only one promotion away from the Premiership and all its riches. Even with FFP restrictions you’ve still got an outside chance in the Championship if the club is run properly (see Luton last season and we weren’t a million miles off under Warburton).
I know you’re not advocating it but it’d be a big roll of the dice to see relegation to league one as some kind of reset to come back stronger. It could easily go the other way and end up dropping through the divisions.
Plenty of former Championship level clubs stuck in league one for years (Charlton, Portsmouth, Derby etc) despite having bigger budgets than most the clubs in the league. Granted some have used it as a launchpad to get into the Premiership (Leicester, Southampton etc) but more have tried and failed.
Obviously finances play a key part but the common denominator for successful clubs in any league is being well run with hands on owners or CEO. Luton have shown that you don’t need to outspend the competition to get promoted from the Championship. [Post edited 22 Oct 2023 16:57]
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Don't worry as Portsmouth will be swapping places with us next season. Right now I think we are more likely to follow Oldham into the wilderness than do an Ipswich and hope I am wrong about that. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on 21:28 - Oct 22 with 1788 views | CateLeBonR |
| Ainsworth on 20:21 - Oct 22 by PunteR |
Why was we so quick to sack Critchley and now keep Ainsworth on? |
I think it was a trust thing. They said as much at the time. They trust Ainsworth even if he isn't the best manager ever. |  | | |
| Ainsworth on 22:04 - Oct 22 with 1698 views | Northernr |
| Ainsworth on 20:21 - Oct 22 by PunteR |
Why was we so quick to sack Critchley and now keep Ainsworth on? |
Because Critchley was the last vestige of the previous plan to develop players and sell them on, appoint progressive coaches who played nice football and improved younger players - a development club.
Amit and co pulled the plug, took the keys off them, made exactly the sort of crowd pleasing populist appointment they always go for, even thought it's a complete stylistic opposite to what was there before, and now we have this.
Even if they could afford to sack him FFP wise, which I'm not sure they can, with no DOF their ideas probably stretch as far as "would Neil come back?" (and Amit will definitely have already had that conversation with him, so if he's said no or demanded more than we can give then that's one reason they can't twist) or "would the fans accept a Mick Beale return?" (because he's desperate, we're desperate, and they at least know his fcking phone number). | | | |
| Ainsworth on 22:21 - Oct 22 with 1645 views | PunteR |
| Ainsworth on 21:28 - Oct 22 by CateLeBonR |
I think it was a trust thing. They said as much at the time. They trust Ainsworth even if he isn't the best manager ever. |
They've never worked with him before. | |
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| Ainsworth on 22:24 - Oct 22 with 1624 views | PunteR |
| Ainsworth on 22:04 - Oct 22 by Northernr |
Because Critchley was the last vestige of the previous plan to develop players and sell them on, appoint progressive coaches who played nice football and improved younger players - a development club.
Amit and co pulled the plug, took the keys off them, made exactly the sort of crowd pleasing populist appointment they always go for, even thought it's a complete stylistic opposite to what was there before, and now we have this.
Even if they could afford to sack him FFP wise, which I'm not sure they can, with no DOF their ideas probably stretch as far as "would Neil come back?" (and Amit will definitely have already had that conversation with him, so if he's said no or demanded more than we can give then that's one reason they can't twist) or "would the fans accept a Mick Beale return?" (because he's desperate, we're desperate, and they at least know his fcking phone number). |
Which highlights the farce of a DoF at QPR.
Yeh we need one with these owners but they don't listen to him anyway so what's the point ? | |
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| Ainsworth on 22:27 - Oct 22 with 1608 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Ainsworth on 22:04 - Oct 22 by Northernr |
Because Critchley was the last vestige of the previous plan to develop players and sell them on, appoint progressive coaches who played nice football and improved younger players - a development club.
Amit and co pulled the plug, took the keys off them, made exactly the sort of crowd pleasing populist appointment they always go for, even thought it's a complete stylistic opposite to what was there before, and now we have this.
Even if they could afford to sack him FFP wise, which I'm not sure they can, with no DOF their ideas probably stretch as far as "would Neil come back?" (and Amit will definitely have already had that conversation with him, so if he's said no or demanded more than we can give then that's one reason they can't twist) or "would the fans accept a Mick Beale return?" (because he's desperate, we're desperate, and they at least know his fcking phone number). |
In your esteemed opinion Norf, which sacking do you think the board regret the most since Warnock? | | | |
| Ainsworth on 22:28 - Oct 22 with 1605 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Ainsworth on 22:24 - Oct 22 by PunteR |
Which highlights the farce of a DoF at QPR.
Yeh we need one with these owners but they don't listen to him anyway so what's the point ? |
We don’t agree on much QPR wise, but I think you’ve hit the nail dead on the head there. | | | |
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