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I know we had this discussion on post Brexit points system and which leagues it had brought into play and taken out of it recruitment wise, but I’m on my phone so can’t search for it.
Anyway, rules have changed again. You can now sign two players who don’t qualify at all, and four if you play enough homegrown English players. Reopens corridors to things like second div in Spain and Germany that had been closed by the Brexit points system.
Home Office has signed off these new rules for overseas footballers - clubs can have up between 2 and 4 overseas players without the necessary work permit points. The extra is allowed if they give enough playing time to English players. https://t.co/TOKPqGZ5m4
Personally think this is a poor decision from the Government in terms of getting more UK players in squads rather than foreign dross like Borysiuk/Alberti/Pellicori etc.
Watch the PL teams just play the UK kids in the Pizza Trophy and the League Cup and claim it is 35%.
Sexy Asian dwarves wanted.
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 22:38 - Jun 14 with 3452 views
It could help us enormously. Although it has come late. I wonder if the Recruitment guys will have to re-assess players that were previously unobtainable.
As an example, I was never convinced Paal had enough points under the old scheme.
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 22:38 - Jun 14 by derbyhoop
It could help us enormously. Although it has come late. I wonder if the Recruitment guys will have to re-assess players that were previously unobtainable.
As an example, I was never convinced Paal had enough points under the old scheme.
Me neither, but he obviously did because all the analytics types were all over him last summer and we did really well to get him because Daddy Mick breast fed him as a child or some such bullsht. If I ever get within shouting distance of Andy Belk again I'll try and ask why he did. Maybe his duel nationality status? Although Surinam are hardly tearing it up, despite Sammy Koejoe's best efforts...
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 22:54 - Jun 14 with 3413 views
Couple of top flight seasons in the Netherlands playing most games plenty enough for the points right? High enough league plus high enough number of domestic minutes. Dutch league is Band 2 so 10 plus the number of points for the amount of games played which would have been around 80%? or I'm reading that wrong?
Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 22:54 - Jun 14 by aston_hoop
Couple of top flight seasons in the Netherlands playing most games plenty enough for the points right? High enough league plus high enough number of domestic minutes. Dutch league is Band 2 so 10 plus the number of points for the amount of games played which would have been around 80%? or I'm reading that wrong?
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No you're just much brighter than me.
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 00:04 - Jun 15 with 3303 views
Coming over here and failing to defend our corners.
Bleedin' foreigners!
I never, ever, ever understood this logic. You're coming to this country with a definite job in a high paid profession and will whack a lump of tax out to the HMRC (most would these days, plenty of schemes still to avoid I suppose). Why would we allow a restrictive practice to stop that or anyone who is qualified and proves they have a well paid job to do for which their Employer has hand picked them. Madness
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 00:06 - Jun 15 with 3301 views
Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 00:04 - Jun 15 by Lblock
Coming over here and failing to defend our corners.
Bleedin' foreigners!
I never, ever, ever understood this logic. You're coming to this country with a definite job in a high paid profession and will whack a lump of tax out to the HMRC (most would these days, plenty of schemes still to avoid I suppose). Why would we allow a restrictive practice to stop that or anyone who is qualified and proves they have a well paid job to do for which their Employer has hand picked them. Madness
Ooof. Well. Look forward to this thread in 6 pages time.
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 00:18 - Jun 15 with 3277 views
There will be players they looked at and then quickly saw "oh no, he won't have the points" borderline players.
Those players are now back on the list. So, I suspect it's not too late. As for helping homegrown, that's rubbish.
The best way to help homegrown players is by putting in a rule that you must have four players on the pitch at all times who are not only English but also came through your Yoof system. This means you will probably need 4 subs who are the same as well
So, a 16-man away squad would require 8 English players from the Yoof.
Drastic, but over a few years, this would be eased one player at a time per year, which means we could stop it at any time if it went too wrong. This would soon see clubs thinking and really keeping hold of the yoof and ensuring they play in the team and regular. It will also make players like Balogun think twice before
Also, another rule against hoarding is that you cannot hold more than 33 players over 21 who are English. It should be enough for most clubs. This should stop the Scum in their tracks for a while.
Points. There used to be 30 required to emigrate to Australia. Three of my mates wanted to go, I was keen, y'know, you'd fck off anywhere when you was a kid. Unfortunately for them, I was the only one who achieved the point total. They're all still in the London area, I'm in the US. Can only think the Aussies got lucky.
Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 00:54 - Jun 15 by Boston
Points. There used to be 30 required to emigrate to Australia. Three of my mates wanted to go, I was keen, y'know, you'd fck off anywhere when you was a kid. Unfortunately for them, I was the only one who achieved the point total. They're all still in the London area, I'm in the US. Can only think the Aussies got lucky.
Or just marry an Aussie like I did.
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 00:18 - Jun 15 by LazyFan
There will be players they looked at and then quickly saw "oh no, he won't have the points" borderline players.
Those players are now back on the list. So, I suspect it's not too late. As for helping homegrown, that's rubbish.
The best way to help homegrown players is by putting in a rule that you must have four players on the pitch at all times who are not only English but also came through your Yoof system. This means you will probably need 4 subs who are the same as well
So, a 16-man away squad would require 8 English players from the Yoof.
Drastic, but over a few years, this would be eased one player at a time per year, which means we could stop it at any time if it went too wrong. This would soon see clubs thinking and really keeping hold of the yoof and ensuring they play in the team and regular. It will also make players like Balogun think twice before
Also, another rule against hoarding is that you cannot hold more than 33 players over 21 who are English. It should be enough for most clubs. This should stop the Scum in their tracks for a while.
We should probably be grateful this hasnt been the rule historically we'd have been in the conference by the end of the 00s
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 09:57 - Jun 15 with 2911 views
Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 00:04 - Jun 15 by Lblock
Coming over here and failing to defend our corners.
Bleedin' foreigners!
I never, ever, ever understood this logic. You're coming to this country with a definite job in a high paid profession and will whack a lump of tax out to the HMRC (most would these days, plenty of schemes still to avoid I suppose). Why would we allow a restrictive practice to stop that or anyone who is qualified and proves they have a well paid job to do for which their Employer has hand picked them. Madness
Agree; it's ridiculous that NHS trusts can get Visas for staff to fill 27 grand a year posts while football clubs can't for footballers making 27 grand a week because they don't have enough Intl caps or haven't yet played at a high enough level.
But then when FE colleges have more kids in their "full time elite football and education programme" than their "Nursing apprenticeship programme"....It starts to make a bit more sense
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 13:47 - Jun 15 with 2574 views
Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 11:41 - Jun 15 by SheffieldHoop
Agree; it's ridiculous that NHS trusts can get Visas for staff to fill 27 grand a year posts while football clubs can't for footballers making 27 grand a week because they don't have enough Intl caps or haven't yet played at a high enough level.
But then when FE colleges have more kids in their "full time elite football and education programme" than their "Nursing apprenticeship programme"....It starts to make a bit more sense
Have we considered bringing the player over on a dinghy?
I’ll repeat myself but 1.2 million migrated to the UK last year. More than at any time pre Brexit. How that fits in with some of the opinions on this thread I don’t know
The restriction on players is to trick two groups of people. Firstly the average Daily Sport reader into assuming something is being done in line with the electorates repeated wishes to control immigration. It gets noticed and so the uneducated think government must be doing something but the 1.2 million number proves that isn’t true.
The second group are the Guardian bot drone types who are already on this thread to parrot the narratives and dinner party talking points they have downloaded into them by the MSM. But in reality the government doesn’t do what its elected to do. It does what the Blob wants
1.2 million is higher than at any year pre Brexit so can you understand why I think its dumb for you to think that a player like Paal having a hard time getting a contract here while 1.2 million large chunks of which unskilled is in any way reflective of the Brexit votes anticipated impact on migration to the UK?
The truth is of course that the corrupt MPs like the unelected Sunak are happy to ship in the un/low skilled by the hundreds of thousands. This is because it puts downward pressure on the wages of the average working person and at the same time upward pressure on housing costs. So it benefits societies richest while the poorest in society suffer most.
Labour used to care about the working class but that’s clearly not the case these days
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 15:17 - Jun 15 by Sakura
Have we considered bringing the player over on a dinghy?
I’ll repeat myself but 1.2 million migrated to the UK last year. More than at any time pre Brexit. How that fits in with some of the opinions on this thread I don’t know
The restriction on players is to trick two groups of people. Firstly the average Daily Sport reader into assuming something is being done in line with the electorates repeated wishes to control immigration. It gets noticed and so the uneducated think government must be doing something but the 1.2 million number proves that isn’t true.
The second group are the Guardian bot drone types who are already on this thread to parrot the narratives and dinner party talking points they have downloaded into them by the MSM. But in reality the government doesn’t do what its elected to do. It does what the Blob wants
1.2 million is higher than at any year pre Brexit so can you understand why I think its dumb for you to think that a player like Paal having a hard time getting a contract here while 1.2 million large chunks of which unskilled is in any way reflective of the Brexit votes anticipated impact on migration to the UK?
The truth is of course that the corrupt MPs like the unelected Sunak are happy to ship in the un/low skilled by the hundreds of thousands. This is because it puts downward pressure on the wages of the average working person and at the same time upward pressure on housing costs. So it benefits societies richest while the poorest in society suffer most.
Labour used to care about the working class but that’s clearly not the case these days
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The net immigration figures (606K in 2022) are boosted by Ukrainian refugees Hong Kong people escaping Chinese restrictions Students, who bring in revenue to UK universities.
Not many professional footballers fall into those categories.
Incidentally, EU now has net emigration, I.e. more leave than arrive
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the Earth all one's lifetime." (Mark Twain)
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 17:41 - Jun 15 with 2224 views
Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 17:10 - Jun 15 by derbyhoop
The net immigration figures (606K in 2022) are boosted by Ukrainian refugees Hong Kong people escaping Chinese restrictions Students, who bring in revenue to UK universities.
Not many professional footballers fall into those categories.
Incidentally, EU now has net emigration, I.e. more leave than arrive
1.2 million is how many arrived here though. We are talking about arrivals so that is the figure to work off
So Derby you are missing around 1,000,000 people from your figures!!!!
What I am wondering is are you actually aware of that?
Of that million migrants who came to the Uk last year who weren't from Ukraine and weren't from Hong Kong. Are you absolutely certain that all of them had a logical reason for being granted entry instead of a Championship footballer?
And then importantly what mental gymnastics are you applying to relate that to Brexit?
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 18:28 - Jun 16 with 1928 views
So Derby you are missing around 1,000,000 people from your figures!!!!
What I am wondering is are you actually aware of that?
Of that million migrants who came to the Uk last year who weren't from Ukraine and weren't from Hong Kong. Are you absolutely certain that all of them had a logical reason for being granted entry instead of a Championship footballer?
And then importantly what mental gymnastics are you applying to relate that to Brexit?
But were we not told that Brexit would stop all this?
What really should happen is that we go into the EU, and allow freedom of movement from the EU countries but don't allow anyone else in from anywhere else. Baring the few and I mean few asylum seekers and countries that let our people in based on a new points system that is a 1:1 like. So, if Australia only lets in 1 person a year from the UK, then the UK will only let in 1 Aussie in for the whole year as 1:1. But say if a country like Oman is willing to let in 100m UK people per year, but only 1 person ever goes in then sorry we can only let in 1 person in return. Fairs Fair.
If you cannot recruit what you need be they players, nurses or doctors or whatever from the whole of the entire EU, then you're a terrible manager and should be fired. And we can then get some proper managers in from the rest of the EU who can manage this. managers are plenty and everywhere. This way this whole problem is greatly mitigated.
Also, many people didn't want Corbyn, yet they claimed lying Boris, Rishi and Starmer were better and rolled their eyes when anyone mentioned Corbyn's name. You know that British man, riding around on his British bicycle making British jam on his very British allotment and being all woke for wanting to reign in predatory big business and nationalise the energy companies to secure the country's energy supply, you know that Corbyn who was way worse than everyone else we got and will have next. When you don't champion the man who would have tried his hardest for the working man, then the evil lot will do as evil does.
Next time, stop being all woke weak and tabloid snowflake docile and vote for the socialist!
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Rules on foreign transfers changed/relaxed on 17:10 - Jun 15 by derbyhoop
The net immigration figures (606K in 2022) are boosted by Ukrainian refugees Hong Kong people escaping Chinese restrictions Students, who bring in revenue to UK universities.
Not many professional footballers fall into those categories.
Incidentally, EU now has net emigration, I.e. more leave than arrive
Why would anybody want to leave the EU. It’s a place of plenty so I’m told
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