| The dismal story of modern football... on 09:12 - Jun 10 with 2004 views | essextaxiboy |
Inter for me tonight , as long as they play and dont shthouse as Fiorentina did .
Utd get a lot of stick but they did the treble with a team of ex youth team players with a few quality buys added in, with all the money generated by their transfer policy , commercial activity and worldwide support built up from previous success.
Citys success seems plastic in comparison and listening to some of their fans they are becoming the next entitled ones after Chelsea whose success was built on a warmongering money laundering scheme. |  | |  |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 10:09 - Jun 10 with 1954 views | lave16 |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 09:12 - Jun 10 by essextaxiboy |
Inter for me tonight , as long as they play and dont shthouse as Fiorentina did .
Utd get a lot of stick but they did the treble with a team of ex youth team players with a few quality buys added in, with all the money generated by their transfer policy , commercial activity and worldwide support built up from previous success.
Citys success seems plastic in comparison and listening to some of their fans they are becoming the next entitled ones after Chelsea whose success was built on a warmongering money laundering scheme. |
Football has always been about money. If our 5 year plan had worked -it could've been us.... |  |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 10:40 - Jun 10 with 1915 views | ozranger |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 10:09 - Jun 10 by lave16 |
Football has always been about money. If our 5 year plan had worked -it could've been us.... |
I find this football is all about money somewhat strange. Money is a by-product of television. When the Premier league commenced it was tv companies taking advantage of an untapped profitable market. Global tv markets were emerging and selling a product to these overseas customers was where the money was. I wonder what clubs were getting in the early days of the Premier league as compared to now. Players in the early 90s were also valued a lot less and yet of similar quality to those now. Television, and specifically now cable/satellite, has inflated the market dramatically and this will continue. They started this mess and rode the wave as much as they could get out of it. Ostensibly, it's snowballed and the amount of money in football is thus a by-product of this wave. |  | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 11:02 - Jun 10 with 1887 views | welwynranger |
Agree about the article being written in a pique of jealously.
Didn't find it particularly informative or interesting.
But did like the line.
In the Abramovich years I dispised Chelscum now I think their funny.. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 11:25 - Jun 10 with 1856 views | kernowhoop |
For what it is worth, two things...
Spending big money is no guarantee of success. However expensive and talented the players, someone still has to get the best out of them. We have had a close-up view of big spending (albeit not as big as City's) that did not get results.
For years, I have enjoyed watching the way Man City play and I suspect that many other teams have learned from watching them. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 11:39 - Jun 10 with 1841 views | PBLOCK |
In all honesty I wish them well for tonight
Yeah they’ve spent money but what successful team (ones who win league titles and the European cup hasn’t)
Some of the stuff about Liverpool doing it the right way is a bit misty eyed I remember being at Pontins in the early mid 90’s when it was announced Barnes was signing a new deal for £15/20k a week I remember it as my manager said I that’s what he earned in a year so the money chucked about to retain / keep the best has been going on for years albeit at a now inflated rate
Yes City have a load of Johnny come latelys but whether it’s Liverpool in the 70’s and 80’s or United thereafter or the horrible mob in SW6 that happens when teams are successful I remember a few Blackburn shirts at our school in mid 90’s and I went to school in Essex!
I met a girl at work a few years ago and had to travel up to Manchester as she was a new stakeholder she asked me if I liked football to which I replied yeah big QPR fan, she commented how she wasn’t sure we would get on as a we had relegated City to League one She is really nice has supported them all her life and done the slog if league one watching them lose pathetically etc so i hope for those fans its everything they wish for
Imagine theyd relegated us that day and the roles were reversed and Chris Martin and Andre Dozzell were currently plying there trade in Manchester while Heathrow was a sea of blue and white with QPR fans pinching themselves at another League title and the chance to win their first champions league with Haaland walking out in the famous blue and white at the start of the match looking to add to his goal tally
Good luck to them | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 11:40 - Jun 10 with 1841 views | lave16 |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 10:40 - Jun 10 by ozranger |
I find this football is all about money somewhat strange. Money is a by-product of television. When the Premier league commenced it was tv companies taking advantage of an untapped profitable market. Global tv markets were emerging and selling a product to these overseas customers was where the money was. I wonder what clubs were getting in the early days of the Premier league as compared to now. Players in the early 90s were also valued a lot less and yet of similar quality to those now. Television, and specifically now cable/satellite, has inflated the market dramatically and this will continue. They started this mess and rode the wave as much as they could get out of it. Ostensibly, it's snowballed and the amount of money in football is thus a by-product of this wave. |
Before TV it was the club's with the biggest stadium's winning most and paying more. The vehicle for supplying the cash which makes the big clubs the richest may have changed but it's always been the club's with the most money being the most successful | |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 12:04 - Jun 10 with 1796 views | paulparker |
I have no issue with City but I find myself getting less interested in each passing season in football
I hate the onfield cheating, VAR, corrupt refs, made up head injuries, SKY, shithouserey from every single team, the FA cup being an afterthought , political agendas , YouTubers and their limbs, little brats with pieces of cardboard begging for shirts, awful pundits especially the need to shoehorn woman just as a box tick exercise , the champions league format, and to cap it all the last World Cup held in the winter
So city are just a small part of modern football the whole thing has eaten itself
I’d rather watch football from 30 years ago at least it still meant something |  |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 12:29 - Jun 10 with 1763 views | dmm |
So how would people feel if more clubs went down the same route as Man City and Newcastle and became de facto state owned by countries looking to benefit from the soft power owning a high profile football club provides? |  | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 14:57 - Jun 10 with 1686 views | terryb |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 12:29 - Jun 10 by dmm |
So how would people feel if more clubs went down the same route as Man City and Newcastle and became de facto state owned by countries looking to benefit from the soft power owning a high profile football club provides? |
I'm certainly not in favour of clubs being owned by countries, but I'm not sure why I find that worse than clubs being owned by companies!
Human rights must come into my thinking, but I doubt that many of the global corporations are immune from criticism on these issues. Perhaps if Costa Rica were to purchase a club, we might find it hard to take issue.
Tonight I will definitely be wanting City to win as I enjoy watching the football they play. I also remember when Inter were the most dire side in Europe & I don't mean when Mourinho was in charge! | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 15:06 - Jun 10 with 1667 views | DannyPaddox |
The only nation state I can envisage taking over QPR and bankrolling us back to the glory days with a place in the Champions League Final is the Grand Kingdom of Narnia. |  | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 15:47 - Jun 10 with 1633 views | dmm |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 15:06 - Jun 10 by DannyPaddox |
The only nation state I can envisage taking over QPR and bankrolling us back to the glory days with a place in the Champions League Final is the Grand Kingdom of Narnia. |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 16:14 - Jun 10 with 1605 views | DannyPaddox |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 15:47 - Jun 10 by dmm |
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 16:17 - Jun 10 with 1603 views | izlingtonhoop |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 14:26 - Jun 9 by Wegerles_Stairs |
And you can see how the financial doping altered everything from 2005 onwards. Klopp deserves huge credit for making Liverpool competitive considering he's been up against the Death Star.
https://khelnow.com/football/premier-league-top-10-clubs-most-points-single-seas
The sad thing (for someone who grew up in the late 70s/early 80s) is how the likes of Forest, Villa and Ipswich were all able to either win the title or challenge for it. That just can't happen now without the likes of Saudi buying up your club. It's so tedious.
Even when Blackburn won the title in the 90s with Jack Walker's money, they only just won it and that was that - no domination. A decent manager (Dalglish) with an exceptional player (Shearer) and some good players but it was still competitive. I struggle with understanding how people enjoy the flat track bullies in Europe's major leagues - that Super League really would have been the best thing for everyone. Let them play one another in every country around the world for ever and ever. |
a boot stamping on a human face — for ever. |  | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 16:33 - Jun 10 with 1579 views | DannyPaddox |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 16:17 - Jun 10 by izlingtonhoop |
a boot stamping on a human face — for ever. |
VAR has had a look … no foul. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:09 - Jun 10 with 1544 views | dmm |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 16:33 - Jun 10 by DannyPaddox |
VAR has had a look … no foul. |
Is your name O'Brien by any chance? | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:24 - Jun 10 with 1523 views | DannyPaddox |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:09 - Jun 10 by dmm |
Is your name O'Brien by any chance? |
O’Brian Williams
Triv interlude: What’s the QPR connection with the 1984 film version of 1984? (the one with John Hurt & Richard Burton)
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 19:04 - Jun 10 with 1450 views | dmm |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:24 - Jun 10 by DannyPaddox |
O’Brian Williams
Triv interlude: What’s the QPR connection with the 1984 film version of 1984? (the one with John Hurt & Richard Burton)
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Room 101 was filmed at HU block? | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 19:20 - Jun 10 with 1440 views | Logman |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:24 - Jun 10 by DannyPaddox |
O’Brian Williams
Triv interlude: What’s the QPR connection with the 1984 film version of 1984? (the one with John Hurt & Richard Burton)
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| The dismal story of modern football... on 19:32 - Jun 10 with 1415 views | Galileo |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 12:04 - Jun 10 by paulparker |
I have no issue with City but I find myself getting less interested in each passing season in football
I hate the onfield cheating, VAR, corrupt refs, made up head injuries, SKY, shithouserey from every single team, the FA cup being an afterthought , political agendas , YouTubers and their limbs, little brats with pieces of cardboard begging for shirts, awful pundits especially the need to shoehorn woman just as a box tick exercise , the champions league format, and to cap it all the last World Cup held in the winter
So city are just a small part of modern football the whole thing has eaten itself
I’d rather watch football from 30 years ago at least it still meant something |
A whole lot of truth there | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 19:35 - Jun 10 with 1409 views | CateLeBonR |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 17:24 - Jun 10 by DannyPaddox |
O’Brian Williams
Triv interlude: What’s the QPR connection with the 1984 film version of 1984? (the one with John Hurt & Richard Burton)
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Both banned in China? |  | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 20:38 - Jun 10 with 1337 views | ManinBlack |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 11:39 - Jun 10 by PBLOCK |
In all honesty I wish them well for tonight
Yeah they’ve spent money but what successful team (ones who win league titles and the European cup hasn’t)
Some of the stuff about Liverpool doing it the right way is a bit misty eyed I remember being at Pontins in the early mid 90’s when it was announced Barnes was signing a new deal for £15/20k a week I remember it as my manager said I that’s what he earned in a year so the money chucked about to retain / keep the best has been going on for years albeit at a now inflated rate
Yes City have a load of Johnny come latelys but whether it’s Liverpool in the 70’s and 80’s or United thereafter or the horrible mob in SW6 that happens when teams are successful I remember a few Blackburn shirts at our school in mid 90’s and I went to school in Essex!
I met a girl at work a few years ago and had to travel up to Manchester as she was a new stakeholder she asked me if I liked football to which I replied yeah big QPR fan, she commented how she wasn’t sure we would get on as a we had relegated City to League one She is really nice has supported them all her life and done the slog if league one watching them lose pathetically etc so i hope for those fans its everything they wish for
Imagine theyd relegated us that day and the roles were reversed and Chris Martin and Andre Dozzell were currently plying there trade in Manchester while Heathrow was a sea of blue and white with QPR fans pinching themselves at another League title and the chance to win their first champions league with Haaland walking out in the famous blue and white at the start of the match looking to add to his goal tally
Good luck to them |
Was never going to happen that way. Man City are a much bigger club than us so would always be more of a target for the super rich to own. There are too many clubs in London and no way we could grow to be bigger than Arsenal for example. It is the bigger clubs considered to be underachieving that attract the wealthy hence City, Chelsea and Newcastle have benefitted. One day I expect Everton to be snapped in and transformed. We had a brief flirtation with wealth but I suspect other wealthy people saw how that panned out and won't come near us.
For a club like us to ever return to Europe we would have very little prospect of getting to the Champions league as the top 4 is way out of reach. We could make the Europa league but with Champions league teams dropping into it then it is much harder for lesser clubs to win it. We have seen Chelsea and Sevilla win it dropping down recently.
The only realistic trophy to win in Europe for those who finish 7th and below in the Premier league is the Europa Conference as West Ham demonstrated. There is no danger of playing Man City, Liverpool, Man Utd, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG, and other rich clubs in that competition. In fact if we ever do get back to the Premier league then I would suggest the Europa Conference would be easier to win than the League Cup or FA cup as we won't have to face City, Liverpool, Newcastle and Co! |  | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 21:19 - Jun 10 with 1292 views | NewBee |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 14:01 - Jun 9 by Wegerles_Stairs |
The difference between them and City (and Chelsea under Putin's mate) is that they dominated through smart management rather than financial doping. Look at the players Liverpool signed and where they came from - Ray Clemence and Kevin Keegan (Scunthorpe), Phil Neal (winner of four European Cups - Northampton), Ian Rush (Chester), Jimmy Case (South Liverpool), Sammy Lee (youth), Bruce Grobbelaar (Vancouver Whitecaps), etc. And then United had a genius as their manager, as has been seen by them never winning the title since he retired. |
You (and Mongredien) seem to attribute City's success purely to one thing, Money.
But if you look at how much eg Chelsea and Everton have spent, then this exposes that argument. For fact is, City have triumphed not solely by money, but also by applying it better than anyone else.
While you talk about Ferguson - certainly a genius - but is he really any better than Guardiola?
In any case, football has always been about money. For example, Sunderland were once known as "The Bank of England Club", but never won much, because they couldn't apply it properly.
While Louis Edwards, a crook of the highest (lowest?) order, took control of Manchester United for less than he subsequently spent on one transfer, the record British signing of Denis Law for £116k from Italy.
And even that sort of investment would have counted for nothing had he not also employed another managerial genius in Sir Matt Busby.
Meanwhile, I can't help wondering whether Mongredien would have written that article had his Dad first taken him to see Man. City in 1975, rather than Villa.
P.S. All modern life is rubbish, what with computers, mobiles phones, foreign holidays and a 24 hour TV streaming. Mars bars were bigger back in the day, too. | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 23:58 - Jun 10 with 1204 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 21:19 - Jun 10 by NewBee |
You (and Mongredien) seem to attribute City's success purely to one thing, Money.
But if you look at how much eg Chelsea and Everton have spent, then this exposes that argument. For fact is, City have triumphed not solely by money, but also by applying it better than anyone else.
While you talk about Ferguson - certainly a genius - but is he really any better than Guardiola?
In any case, football has always been about money. For example, Sunderland were once known as "The Bank of England Club", but never won much, because they couldn't apply it properly.
While Louis Edwards, a crook of the highest (lowest?) order, took control of Manchester United for less than he subsequently spent on one transfer, the record British signing of Denis Law for £116k from Italy.
And even that sort of investment would have counted for nothing had he not also employed another managerial genius in Sir Matt Busby.
Meanwhile, I can't help wondering whether Mongredien would have written that article had his Dad first taken him to see Man. City in 1975, rather than Villa.
P.S. All modern life is rubbish, what with computers, mobiles phones, foreign holidays and a 24 hour TV streaming. Mars bars were bigger back in the day, too. |
They've literally cheated. What do you think the 115 charges and expensive lawyers are about? | | | |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 00:51 - Jun 11 with 1154 views | bob566 |
| The dismal story of modern football... on 23:58 - Jun 10 by Wegerles_Stairs |
They've literally cheated. What do you think the 115 charges and expensive lawyers are about? |
Will come to nothing. If the pga tour and their legal muscle had to wind their necks in. Let's see if it goes anywhere. Doubt it | | | |
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