| Rotten to the core? 09:09 - May 21 with 6541 views | dmm |
Will Citeh be made an example for their corrupt financial accounting? It's time a big English club was really hammered for shit like this.
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| Rotten to the core? on 09:19 - May 21 with 4724 views | Paddyhoops |
Everybody keeps banging on about “The title race” . There is no title race . Citeh will keep racking up an average of 95 points every season and nobody will get near them .
The penny will drop that it’s not a fair fight when they win again next season.
Still Man Utd will probably join Newcastle with blood and oil money next season, so who knows . We could have a three way fight.
Pointless league at the moment. |  | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 09:52 - May 21 with 4574 views | digswellhoop |
so would you turn that money down if offered to us | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 10:53 - May 21 with 4467 views | Paddyhoops |
| Rotten to the core? on 09:52 - May 21 by digswellhoop |
so would you turn that money down if offered to us |
Fair point and to a certain degree we’ve had it on a smaller scale.
In fairness Citeh have got the greatest manager ever to have existed and have a supremely well organised executive staff running the show.
On your question would I except blood/ oil money?. .
No. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 11:55 - May 21 with 4317 views | colinallcars |
I read the other day that Citeh are objecting to one member of the body looking into the situation, as he is an Arsenal supporter. You couldn't make it up. |  | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 12:00 - May 21 with 4297 views | themodfather |
they have many investigations from prem lge to uefa, yet can freely win titles ? i mean it has been for years, they have ignored most sanctions so why are they allowed to be in chumps league final? and if breaches are during the last few years will they be stripped of any titles ( same for chelsea) won during the investigations? course not cos oil money talks .
they should have been given a provisional suspended sentence from day one of this season imo and if cleared nothing lost, no points off. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 12:13 - May 21 with 4258 views | BerkoRanger |
| Rotten to the core? on 09:19 - May 21 by Paddyhoops |
Everybody keeps banging on about “The title race” . There is no title race . Citeh will keep racking up an average of 95 points every season and nobody will get near them .
The penny will drop that it’s not a fair fight when they win again next season.
Still Man Utd will probably join Newcastle with blood and oil money next season, so who knows . We could have a three way fight.
Pointless league at the moment. |
Even more pointless when sky still talk about the UK football "pyramid" which in reality disappeared years ago when Prem clubs just bought in foreign players. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 12:23 - May 21 with 4233 views | MedwayR |
I don't personally have a problem with what City have done because the 'rules' and FFP are complete bullshit. They didn't exist when the scum or Blackburn were throwing money around so why should they exist now. If the owners aren't loading debt onto the club then what's the problem. I've far more issue with the Glazers purchase of Man Utd (or the sale of Burnley) and how they can load debt onto the club for their own gain. The people calling City cheats wouldn't care if they weren't winning, that's the problem they have with City. |  |
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| Rotten to the core? on 13:04 - May 21 with 4120 views | joe90 |
| Rotten to the core? on 09:52 - May 21 by digswellhoop |
so would you turn that money down if offered to us |
None of us are in a position to accept and turn down such offers.
Fans are just there to enjoy and support the team on the pitch. There’s a sanctimonious view among fans about what’s fair and what’s not. The other one is about ‘proper clubs’ and ‘proper fans’. It’s a load of rubbish. Top level football isn’t fair. There have always been bigger clubs with more money and fans etc. Now it’s that but on steroids. Yes, perhaps the playing field was a bit more even, but it’s always been about money and rich owners. The main difference now is that the rich owners come from overseas which is some how worse. |  | | |
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| Rotten to the core? on 13:16 - May 21 with 4092 views | Paddyhoops |
We’re and have been the poster boy for FFP and how not to do it.
Nobody’s going to pumping Millions into us any time soon not withstanding the 12 million a year our current lot are pissing up against the wall to keep us afloat .
We’re S**t but local as they . | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 13:40 - May 21 with 4024 views | distortR |
| Rotten to the core? on 12:23 - May 21 by MedwayR |
I don't personally have a problem with what City have done because the 'rules' and FFP are complete bullshit. They didn't exist when the scum or Blackburn were throwing money around so why should they exist now. If the owners aren't loading debt onto the club then what's the problem. I've far more issue with the Glazers purchase of Man Utd (or the sale of Burnley) and how they can load debt onto the club for their own gain. The people calling City cheats wouldn't care if they weren't winning, that's the problem they have with City. |
I don't know how barca, real, psg etc put up with city's financial shenanigans....... | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 14:01 - May 21 with 3989 views | Watford_Ranger |
City’s net spend is half of Arsenal’s over the last five years I believe and Chelsea’s is worse than that.
All these clubs have obscene wealth but it feels like one being targeted is the one winning. I have far more of an issue with clubs who fail to pay their staff or local businesses. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 14:05 - May 21 with 3974 views | distortR |
| Rotten to the core? on 14:01 - May 21 by Watford_Ranger |
City’s net spend is half of Arsenal’s over the last five years I believe and Chelsea’s is worse than that.
All these clubs have obscene wealth but it feels like one being targeted is the one winning. I have far more of an issue with clubs who fail to pay their staff or local businesses. |
And they actually have put a lot back in the community - one of my kids lives in Manchester. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 14:25 - May 21 with 3910 views | Paddyhoops |
| Rotten to the core? on 14:01 - May 21 by Watford_Ranger |
City’s net spend is half of Arsenal’s over the last five years I believe and Chelsea’s is worse than that.
All these clubs have obscene wealth but it feels like one being targeted is the one winning. I have far more of an issue with clubs who fail to pay their staff or local businesses. |
Haalands transfer fee was quiet low but let’s put it this way . He’s not earning 10 quid a week.
That’s the reason nobody else was interested. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 14:27 - May 21 with 3900 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Rotten to the core? on 14:25 - May 21 by Paddyhoops |
Haalands transfer fee was quiet low but let’s put it this way . He’s not earning 10 quid a week.
That’s the reason nobody else was interested. |
I’d imagine he’s on £300-400k a week. Ludicrous, obviously, but the going rate for probably the best striker in the world. When he goes to Madrid in a few years it’ll be far more than whatever they actually paid. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 14:43 - May 21 with 3850 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Rotten to the core? on 12:23 - May 21 by MedwayR |
I don't personally have a problem with what City have done because the 'rules' and FFP are complete bullshit. They didn't exist when the scum or Blackburn were throwing money around so why should they exist now. If the owners aren't loading debt onto the club then what's the problem. I've far more issue with the Glazers purchase of Man Utd (or the sale of Burnley) and how they can load debt onto the club for their own gain. The people calling City cheats wouldn't care if they weren't winning, that's the problem they have with City. |
In principle I agree with you; the rules are a complete farce. However, they exist and Man City shouldn't be allowed to flout them whilst clubs like QPR, Reading, Derby, etc. get hammered. It's one rule for one and another rule for another. If we must have these rules then there must be consistency in punishment too. [Post edited 21 May 2023 14:44]
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| Rotten to the core? on 15:03 - May 21 with 3807 views | Sharpediver |
| Rotten to the core? on 13:04 - May 21 by joe90 |
None of us are in a position to accept and turn down such offers.
Fans are just there to enjoy and support the team on the pitch. There’s a sanctimonious view among fans about what’s fair and what’s not. The other one is about ‘proper clubs’ and ‘proper fans’. It’s a load of rubbish. Top level football isn’t fair. There have always been bigger clubs with more money and fans etc. Now it’s that but on steroids. Yes, perhaps the playing field was a bit more even, but it’s always been about money and rich owners. The main difference now is that the rich owners come from overseas which is some how worse. |
Agree to a certain extent in that there were always richer clubs in football - Arsenal in 1930s, Sunderland 'Bank of England' in 1950s etc, but even as late as the 1980s, top level football was much more competitive, there was much, much less of a disparity than there is now between the richest few clubs and everyone else. Derby, Forest and Villa won the League, clubs like us, Ipswich, Southampton, Norwich were serious title challengers and Sunderland, Southampton, Wimbledon etc won the Cup.
Also, as far as I can remember, no clubs were ran by organisations who have killed and tortured people and who have actively subverted democracy and human rights. I would never support a club with such owners. I was at Newcastle Uni in late 80s/early 90s and loved living in a football mad city and my trips to the old dilapidated St James' Park. Had a soft spot for them for decades but wouldn't touch them with a barge pole now. Top level football has sold its soul to the devil. I couldn't care a less about it. I spend most of my Saturdays down at my local non-League side. Unfortunately, even at this level, money talks - just look at Wrexham, but at least, as far as I'm aware, their owners don't kidnap people, murder them and chop them up into small pieces. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 15:12 - May 21 with 3790 views | QPR_Jim |
| Rotten to the core? on 14:43 - May 21 by Benny_the_Ball |
In principle I agree with you; the rules are a complete farce. However, they exist and Man City shouldn't be allowed to flout them whilst clubs like QPR, Reading, Derby, etc. get hammered. It's one rule for one and another rule for another. If we must have these rules then there must be consistency in punishment too. [Post edited 21 May 2023 14:44]
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I think they are literally different rules, UEFA FFP and Championship FFP. When city were found guilty their punishment was 2 year suspension from European competitions (which they got overturned). I'm sure we along with Derby and Reading would accept that as punishment.
We could perhaps do with more continuity with Premier league and Championship having comparative FFP rules. At the moment I think you can do whatever you want in the premier League and only need to comply if you qualify for a European competition. [Post edited 21 May 2023 15:15]
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| Rotten to the core? on 16:08 - May 21 with 3697 views | BrianWilson |
| Rotten to the core? on 09:52 - May 21 by digswellhoop |
so would you turn that money down if offered to us |
Yes. |  |
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| Rotten to the core? on 17:06 - May 21 with 3567 views | Watford_Ranger |
City reserves looking good against Chelsea with a few academy players in the side. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 17:25 - May 21 with 3507 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
The saddest thing is how many journalists are reporting from Pep's colon. Embarrassing. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 18:19 - May 21 with 3451 views | joe90 |
| Rotten to the core? on 15:03 - May 21 by Sharpediver |
Agree to a certain extent in that there were always richer clubs in football - Arsenal in 1930s, Sunderland 'Bank of England' in 1950s etc, but even as late as the 1980s, top level football was much more competitive, there was much, much less of a disparity than there is now between the richest few clubs and everyone else. Derby, Forest and Villa won the League, clubs like us, Ipswich, Southampton, Norwich were serious title challengers and Sunderland, Southampton, Wimbledon etc won the Cup.
Also, as far as I can remember, no clubs were ran by organisations who have killed and tortured people and who have actively subverted democracy and human rights. I would never support a club with such owners. I was at Newcastle Uni in late 80s/early 90s and loved living in a football mad city and my trips to the old dilapidated St James' Park. Had a soft spot for them for decades but wouldn't touch them with a barge pole now. Top level football has sold its soul to the devil. I couldn't care a less about it. I spend most of my Saturdays down at my local non-League side. Unfortunately, even at this level, money talks - just look at Wrexham, but at least, as far as I'm aware, their owners don't kidnap people, murder them and chop them up into small pieces. |
From a footballing perspective the 70’s/80’s was definitely more competitive, but that was also in part related to a general decline in football which ultimately ushered in the sky sports modern era.
There’s disconnect between what you’re saying about football - which is what most of us love about the game - and the reality of football from an institutional perspective. That reality is centred around greed. I don’t disagree about the morality of the Saudi owners, but they’re just buying into a morally bankrupt sport.
I don’t think we’re in too much disagreement. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 18:46 - May 21 with 3376 views | highleverhoopL |
| Rotten to the core? on 13:40 - May 21 by distortR |
I don't know how barca, real, psg etc put up with city's financial shenanigans....... |
PSG? Same business plan as City but poorly executed | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 19:05 - May 21 with 3318 views | terryb |
| Rotten to the core? on 15:03 - May 21 by Sharpediver |
Agree to a certain extent in that there were always richer clubs in football - Arsenal in 1930s, Sunderland 'Bank of England' in 1950s etc, but even as late as the 1980s, top level football was much more competitive, there was much, much less of a disparity than there is now between the richest few clubs and everyone else. Derby, Forest and Villa won the League, clubs like us, Ipswich, Southampton, Norwich were serious title challengers and Sunderland, Southampton, Wimbledon etc won the Cup.
Also, as far as I can remember, no clubs were ran by organisations who have killed and tortured people and who have actively subverted democracy and human rights. I would never support a club with such owners. I was at Newcastle Uni in late 80s/early 90s and loved living in a football mad city and my trips to the old dilapidated St James' Park. Had a soft spot for them for decades but wouldn't touch them with a barge pole now. Top level football has sold its soul to the devil. I couldn't care a less about it. I spend most of my Saturdays down at my local non-League side. Unfortunately, even at this level, money talks - just look at Wrexham, but at least, as far as I'm aware, their owners don't kidnap people, murder them and chop them up into small pieces. |
As far as the Football League champions go, the 1980's were very similar to the 2010's. '80's Aston Villa, Liverpool Everton & Arsenal - '10's Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea & Leicester. However, Liverpool, with 6 wins, were far more dominant than any club in the last decade.
The '60's were different though, with 7 different champions & only Liverpool & United winning it twice.
The difference is in the FA Cup where the '80's had 7 winners compared to 4 in the '10's. Personally, I would say that this is due to clubs outside the top few taking the competition seriously.
Personally, I think all decades have had a small number of clubs being prominent, but those teams have changedas time goes by. | | | |
| Rotten to the core? on 19:15 - May 21 with 3292 views | davman |
| Rotten to the core? on 13:40 - May 21 by distortR |
I don't know how barca, real, psg etc put up with city's financial shenanigans....... |
Because they are no better - Barca in particular are mortgaged right up to the hilt on their future. but inevitably they will find a way to carry on without punishment...
What I continue not to uinderstand is why the Football League Clubs continue to vote for some form of requirement for FFP. Luton and Cov (at the moment) will argue that it will skew the playing field away from them because they have been so good working within their limits and some might agree. But, business is not always about who is balancing the books best. If someone wants to "invest" to make a business better, what laws stop them doing that? What gives the right for the FL to impose rules? Just the members' votes, I guess...
Face it, our club is actually one of the ones with limited income and we could potentially benefit more than most from a bit of doping, and, as we're not allowed nice things, it will not happen again.
Yet another bus missed by QPR...
I see that some are suggesting the evidence that the three promoted clubs stayed up this year as justification for the finance disparity between the top two leagues. However, the real test is what happens to the three teams coming down; this season two with parachute payments have gone up leaving ONE place for the rest of us to fight over. It'll likely be none next season as the closed shop gets nearer and nearer under these financial rules, so soon, whether the Prem is a one, two or three horse race will become irrelevant... [Post edited 21 May 2023 19:22]
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| Rotten to the core? on 20:57 - May 21 with 1946 views | traininvain |
| Rotten to the core? on 14:01 - May 21 by Watford_Ranger |
City’s net spend is half of Arsenal’s over the last five years I believe and Chelsea’s is worse than that.
All these clubs have obscene wealth but it feels like one being targeted is the one winning. I have far more of an issue with clubs who fail to pay their staff or local businesses. |
Part of the problem is that we don’t actually know what City have spent as the Premier League allege that the club has not provided ‘accurate financial information that gives a true and fair view of the club’s financial position’.
115 charges outstanding and who knows when we’ll find out if they’ve cheated or not. And that’s without getting into the whole sports washing argument.
But I suppose at least it’s not Chelsea winning the league, champions league etc! |  | | |
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