| new stadium 22:43 - Mar 13 with 29598 views | digswellhoop |
if Linford cristie stadium not an option do a spurs buy all properties around stadium |  | | |  |
| new stadium on 21:58 - Apr 13 with 3882 views | wombat |
| new stadium on 18:10 - Apr 13 by G_Ottershaw |
Just thinking...
KP stadium
Q. Is there a covenant on what the stadium land can or cannot be used for ?
LC stadium
Q. Are there amy planning restrictions preventing a football stadium from being bulit so close to a hospital (ie noise pollution)
Cheers |
The was / is a restrictive covenant on LR think it’s for the amount of time it can be used each season not sure on LC but defiantly was is on LR |  |
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| new stadium on 11:05 - Apr 14 with 3549 views | 89_50 |
I wonder if there are any further plans to expand the safe standing throughout more areas of the stadium. I'd certainly like it expanded along Ellerslie.
I appreciate it doesn't impact on capacity, but I understand it does offer a little more leg-room for those inclined to sit.
For anyone in safe standing areas, what have your experiences been like this season? |  | | |
| new stadium on 11:09 - Apr 14 with 3534 views | Northernr |
Disappointed we've reached page three without talk of "digging down" at Loftus Road. |  | | |
| new stadium on 11:13 - Apr 14 with 3501 views | QPR_Jim |
| new stadium on 11:09 - Apr 14 by Northernr |
Disappointed we've reached page three without talk of "digging down" at Loftus Road. |
I was expecting it on the confessions thread.
"To be honest I still think if we lower the pitch by 1inch we could fit a 60,000 seater on the footprint of LR" |  | | |
| new stadium on 11:35 - Apr 14 with 3411 views | Rs_Holy |
| new stadium on 11:09 - Apr 14 by Northernr |
Disappointed we've reached page three without talk of "digging down" at Loftus Road. |
how about putting LR stadium on stilts ...?.... never say never....
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| new stadium on 11:47 - Apr 14 with 3387 views | Gloucs_R |
These owners are not going to build us a new stadium unless they get the land for free
We will have the oldest stadium in London and the Home Counties within 5 years...(having not been developed since the 80s)
Luton building a new one
Gillingham renovating theirs |  |
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| new stadium on 12:00 - Apr 14 with 3324 views | Rs_Holy |
| new stadium on 11:47 - Apr 14 by Gloucs_R |
These owners are not going to build us a new stadium unless they get the land for free
We will have the oldest stadium in London and the Home Counties within 5 years...(having not been developed since the 80s)
Luton building a new one
Gillingham renovating theirs |
both look really good.... Wonder how many clubs in the football league are still playing in old school Loftus Road/Fratton Park/County Ground type stadiums with no plans to move or redevelop??? | | | |
| new stadium on 12:12 - Apr 14 with 3267 views | Gloucs_R |
| new stadium on 12:00 - Apr 14 by Rs_Holy |
both look really good.... Wonder how many clubs in the football league are still playing in old school Loftus Road/Fratton Park/County Ground type stadiums with no plans to move or redevelop??? |
Looking at the championship, everyone already in redeveloped or new stadiums.
League One..
Bristol Rovers have just agreed a new stadium location as have Exeter (I think) and Oxford. Forest Green building a new one.
Then a mixture of smaller clubs with fairly new stadiums or those who really lack and ambition to charge up the leagues.
Pompey and Peterborough are probably the exceptions. Although didn't the Boro stadium owners just go into admin. | |
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| new stadium on 12:14 - Apr 14 with 3258 views | Gloucs_R |
Read today that it's more likely to be in Warwickshire | |
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| new stadium on 12:15 - Apr 14 with 3257 views | ActonExile |
| new stadium on 11:35 - Apr 14 by Rs_Holy |
how about putting LR stadium on stilts ...?.... never say never....
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We could go even further and get the person from the Beeb who worked out how to build the Tardis, we can keep the footprint we have but when you go inside it will be as big as you need, just think of the away games. | |
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| new stadium on 12:16 - Apr 14 with 3246 views | ted_hendrix |
We still haven't mastered the art of taking throw In's properly yet, maybe master the art of taking throw In's first then we can move our ground to the left a bit and put in a few extra seats providing It doesn't upset any frogs or newts or Mrs O’Connor who lives in Ellerslie road. [Post edited 14 Apr 2023 12:17]
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| new stadium on 14:44 - Apr 14 with 2957 views | DannyPaddox |
| new stadium on 11:09 - Apr 14 by Northernr |
Disappointed we've reached page three without talk of "digging down" at Loftus Road. |
On a digswell thread too |  | | |
| new stadium on 15:03 - Apr 14 with 2896 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Perhaps we can share Wasps new ground. I can't think of any historic precedent where that ended badly either for ourselves or any West Midland team.
We should start construction immediately at Cherwell services next to the KFC and M&S express.
It might take three buses to get to from Bicester Village Station, but thats a small price to play for giving up £100m of West London land and filling the pockets of multi billionaires, who while it's fair to say have been very generous until now, ultimately have a bottom line that needs to be held.
Alternately, we could build a modern stadium of the same size on the same footprint minus the delusions of granduer that we would ever fill a 30,000 seater stadium or engage meaningfully with the council and community and turn the Linford Christie site into a multi purpose asset that works for everyone. |  | | |
| new stadium on 16:19 - Apr 14 with 2795 views | G_Ottershaw |
Ok, i think we all agree that the long term future of the club relies on playing in a new facility. Unless the owners are planning to completely move the club outside of london, rename it and accrue a whole new fan base in the process (MK Dons ?), i think it is vital to our identity that we stay in the borough.
So based on the current status quo, i have listed some proposals below, i know there is currently mention of this party won't do this, the other party won't do that, but i tend to take these things with a pinch of salt. Alot of it comes down to the political and economic climate (which looking at world events, are definitely changing) and if the two parties 'have got off on the wrong foot' from the word go...
With a bit of patience and diplomacy i think you should be able to appease all of the parties involved.
I am assuming that as HF council have been quoted alot in recent discussions, that they are the owners of the LC stadium.
When i first saw this discussion, i thought they are missing a bit of a trick here, 'think bigger', we have retail parks, why not have a sports park ie have everything on the site of the existing LC stadium, ie a football stadium, an athletics track, a private sports centre ie David Lloyd type place (an additional revenue stream), smaller pitches for the local football teams etc.
Having looked on google maps at the plot of land, i guess this would not actually be achievable unless they are prepared to encroach onto the common ?
So that leads me to my second proposal; why don't the two facilities (ie LR and LC) literally swap places ?
QPR:
- build a new 20-25K stadium on the site of the LC stadium. (as it is, we seem to be haemorrhaging fans, so 20-25K should be an adequate figure)
Thames Harriers:
- move into LR and develop a more publicised/promoted athletics facility. (regional/national competitions?)
How would this be achieved ?
- dismantle the loft stand
- dismantle the Stanley Bowles stand
- dismantle the School End stand
(all of the above allowing better daylight for the surrounding properties and existing residents)
- keep the infrastructure of South Africa road stand virtually intact (ie the paddocks (outdoor seating), the catering outlets, toilets, stand seating, changing rooms, offices etc) - if necessary specific areas could be refurbished according to their intended usage.
- I would then look to install a new running track between the north east corner of the existing pitch and the south-west corner of the site.
- if additional seating is required, maybe install some temporary outside seating on the former site of the loft stand.
Some initial logistics thoughts;
- would the Thames Harriers (who i presume are the main users of the LC stadium) be prepared to relocate for the duration of the development ? could this be facilitated by something as simple as leasing some mini-buses and drivers to manage the transport concerns ?
Some finance thoughts:
- would QPR want to retain ownership of LR and lease the athletics stadium to HF council ?
- could QPR and HF council arrive at a deal whereby the two plots of land are simply exchanged, obviously if one of the plots has a much higher value than the other, this would need to be factored into the deal.
- in terms of a new QPR stadium, would it be in the club's interest to ask the fans if they would be interested in investing in the new stadium in return for a discounted season ticket (spread across seasons) once the stadium goes live ?
Additional benefits:
- both facilities get to stay in the borough
- both facilities can continue their community engagements
- a dedicated and significantly improved athletics facility may introduce new engagements for the local community
- significantly reduced disruption for the local residents of the LR stadium
- HF council could be seen to be engaging with a diversity of sports (not just football)
- if terms of HF council, if the new athletics facility did not turn out to be viable 10-15 years down the line etc..., they would still be able to retain the land for potential future social housing.
If this proposal 'has legs' and somebody considerably better educated than myself would like to redraft it and submit it to the club (more importantly the board) for a review, please feel free to do so.
If it comes down to selling LR for billions, buying another piece of land for peanuts, building a new stadium and then walking away with the difference, then i guess our time in London will be over.
If it comes down to replacing an ageing facility with a new one and treating the new stadium as an investment/asset, then i would still propose the LC site.
Thanks
Ted. | | | |
| new stadium on 10:25 - May 2 with 2268 views | Juzzie |
I have a confession to make..... on Saturday my sons youth football team did a trip to see Brentford v Forest. I went along as they needed a few parents to help out and I wanted to see the new ground. Spent most of the game glued to my phone getting updates of our game at Stoke.
It's an odd shape stadium because of the constraints of the triangular patch of ground it sits on but design aside what was clear is that a new stadium is needed to progress because you absolutely have to have facilities that can not only get people into the ground before & after the game (rather than spending money elsewhere) but can be used throughout the week and during the summer. Facilities not just for fans but for the modern game that requires palatial surroundings for the players, managers, officials, media etc.
Revamping Loftus Road won't work and due to all the regulations & requirements even if LR was demolished completely and a new ground built on the same footprint it wouldn't be more than 15-18k (depending on how many seats would be sacrificed for corporate facilities). |  | | |
| new stadium on 11:23 - May 2 with 2101 views | Juzzie |
I like the thinking above about dismantling three stands and leaving SAR in place and moving athletics there but unfortunately a 400m track won't fit, it's just too big,.
This is the LC track superimposed to the same scale on top of LR.
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| new stadium on 11:50 - May 2 with 2010 views | Gloucs_R |
| new stadium on 10:25 - May 2 by Juzzie |
I have a confession to make..... on Saturday my sons youth football team did a trip to see Brentford v Forest. I went along as they needed a few parents to help out and I wanted to see the new ground. Spent most of the game glued to my phone getting updates of our game at Stoke.
It's an odd shape stadium because of the constraints of the triangular patch of ground it sits on but design aside what was clear is that a new stadium is needed to progress because you absolutely have to have facilities that can not only get people into the ground before & after the game (rather than spending money elsewhere) but can be used throughout the week and during the summer. Facilities not just for fans but for the modern game that requires palatial surroundings for the players, managers, officials, media etc.
Revamping Loftus Road won't work and due to all the regulations & requirements even if LR was demolished completely and a new ground built on the same footprint it wouldn't be more than 15-18k (depending on how many seats would be sacrificed for corporate facilities). |
We've waited such a long time that even places such as Park Royal area not likely to be out of our reach. | |
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| new stadium on 12:04 - May 2 with 1955 views | kernowhoop |
| new stadium on 11:23 - May 2 by Juzzie |
I like the thinking above about dismantling three stands and leaving SAR in place and moving athletics there but unfortunately a 400m track won't fit, it's just too big,.
This is the LC track superimposed to the same scale on top of LR.
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You would have to admit that that would make for a challenging and, for spectators, an interesting 400 metre race. | | | |
| new stadium on 14:26 - May 2 with 1683 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
Dimensions
QPR pitch = 102m x 66m
World Athletics 8 lane 400m athletics track = 176.91m x 92.5m not including adequate surrounds.
I enjoy a good rebuild Loftus Road thread. With modern requirements and regulations, particularly evacuation, circulation and knee room and all the others, plus neighbour impact on those around us I would be highly sceptical about getting even a 15,000 capacity back in a complete rebuild. No matter whether we dig down, place on stilts, steal South Africa Road, or hover in the air above Loftus Road like a mothership. It isn't going to happen. It is ridiculous.
The capacity any new stadium needs to be depends on whether the club has aspirations of being in the Premier League. To sustain a PL team over time you seem to need at least 30,000 - 40,000. Big grounds get full in the good times if there is sufficient catchment population. You hang on to some of those supporters in the bad times. If we can only ever accommodate 15,000 home fans the thing will never add up. Bournemouth and Brentford can never generate enough cash to stay long in the PL these days, and nor can we.
We have to move. | | | |
| new stadium on 14:53 - May 2 with 3588 views | BAWHoops |
| new stadium on 10:25 - May 2 by Juzzie |
I have a confession to make..... on Saturday my sons youth football team did a trip to see Brentford v Forest. I went along as they needed a few parents to help out and I wanted to see the new ground. Spent most of the game glued to my phone getting updates of our game at Stoke.
It's an odd shape stadium because of the constraints of the triangular patch of ground it sits on but design aside what was clear is that a new stadium is needed to progress because you absolutely have to have facilities that can not only get people into the ground before & after the game (rather than spending money elsewhere) but can be used throughout the week and during the summer. Facilities not just for fans but for the modern game that requires palatial surroundings for the players, managers, officials, media etc.
Revamping Loftus Road won't work and due to all the regulations & requirements even if LR was demolished completely and a new ground built on the same footprint it wouldn't be more than 15-18k (depending on how many seats would be sacrificed for corporate facilities). |
'Revamping Loftus Road won't work and due to all the regulations & requirements even if LR was demolished completely and a new ground built on the same footprint it wouldn't be more than 15-18k'
See, the dirty little secret is that a smaller stadium that is well built wis actually the answer
I believe that this is our only option. But you'd have to essentially knock down SAR and turn it into a 3/4 corporate area. Terrace behind the goal and make Stan Bowles a regular stand.
It can be done, but it's a very tough sell to fans |  |
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| new stadium on 14:58 - May 2 with 3526 views | BostonR |
| new stadium on 16:19 - Apr 14 by G_Ottershaw |
Ok, i think we all agree that the long term future of the club relies on playing in a new facility. Unless the owners are planning to completely move the club outside of london, rename it and accrue a whole new fan base in the process (MK Dons ?), i think it is vital to our identity that we stay in the borough.
So based on the current status quo, i have listed some proposals below, i know there is currently mention of this party won't do this, the other party won't do that, but i tend to take these things with a pinch of salt. Alot of it comes down to the political and economic climate (which looking at world events, are definitely changing) and if the two parties 'have got off on the wrong foot' from the word go...
With a bit of patience and diplomacy i think you should be able to appease all of the parties involved.
I am assuming that as HF council have been quoted alot in recent discussions, that they are the owners of the LC stadium.
When i first saw this discussion, i thought they are missing a bit of a trick here, 'think bigger', we have retail parks, why not have a sports park ie have everything on the site of the existing LC stadium, ie a football stadium, an athletics track, a private sports centre ie David Lloyd type place (an additional revenue stream), smaller pitches for the local football teams etc.
Having looked on google maps at the plot of land, i guess this would not actually be achievable unless they are prepared to encroach onto the common ?
So that leads me to my second proposal; why don't the two facilities (ie LR and LC) literally swap places ?
QPR:
- build a new 20-25K stadium on the site of the LC stadium. (as it is, we seem to be haemorrhaging fans, so 20-25K should be an adequate figure)
Thames Harriers:
- move into LR and develop a more publicised/promoted athletics facility. (regional/national competitions?)
How would this be achieved ?
- dismantle the loft stand
- dismantle the Stanley Bowles stand
- dismantle the School End stand
(all of the above allowing better daylight for the surrounding properties and existing residents)
- keep the infrastructure of South Africa road stand virtually intact (ie the paddocks (outdoor seating), the catering outlets, toilets, stand seating, changing rooms, offices etc) - if necessary specific areas could be refurbished according to their intended usage.
- I would then look to install a new running track between the north east corner of the existing pitch and the south-west corner of the site.
- if additional seating is required, maybe install some temporary outside seating on the former site of the loft stand.
Some initial logistics thoughts;
- would the Thames Harriers (who i presume are the main users of the LC stadium) be prepared to relocate for the duration of the development ? could this be facilitated by something as simple as leasing some mini-buses and drivers to manage the transport concerns ?
Some finance thoughts:
- would QPR want to retain ownership of LR and lease the athletics stadium to HF council ?
- could QPR and HF council arrive at a deal whereby the two plots of land are simply exchanged, obviously if one of the plots has a much higher value than the other, this would need to be factored into the deal.
- in terms of a new QPR stadium, would it be in the club's interest to ask the fans if they would be interested in investing in the new stadium in return for a discounted season ticket (spread across seasons) once the stadium goes live ?
Additional benefits:
- both facilities get to stay in the borough
- both facilities can continue their community engagements
- a dedicated and significantly improved athletics facility may introduce new engagements for the local community
- significantly reduced disruption for the local residents of the LR stadium
- HF council could be seen to be engaging with a diversity of sports (not just football)
- if terms of HF council, if the new athletics facility did not turn out to be viable 10-15 years down the line etc..., they would still be able to retain the land for potential future social housing.
If this proposal 'has legs' and somebody considerably better educated than myself would like to redraft it and submit it to the club (more importantly the board) for a review, please feel free to do so.
If it comes down to selling LR for billions, buying another piece of land for peanuts, building a new stadium and then walking away with the difference, then i guess our time in London will be over.
If it comes down to replacing an ageing facility with a new one and treating the new stadium as an investment/asset, then i would still propose the LC site.
Thanks
Ted. |
As I see it the Board have two options:
1. Stay at LR, which does not seem to be the preferred option. Having said that, I noted that LH in his recent Q&A suggested they have not fully exhausted all LR options, which was a strange comment, given previous comments on LR proposals. It reads like a "checking" exercise to me just to ensure all the LR design and development options have been thought through.
2. The use of LR as a financial mechanism to invest in a new location must be their preferred option - they have no other. The yield on LR is significant, especially if the club become a joint venture partner in developing the site. The redevelopment of the White City area is significant and is attracting high-end residential residents. My only concern is that given the clear opportunities to both side (the club and the Council) that a deal has not yet been agreed. It would appear that the stakeholder arrangement for the LCS is complex and probably not a priority to resolve at this time. At some point the club has to put a bid on the table for the LCS that all the stakeholders cannot refuse. I am surprised this has not happened. Either the owners are not interested or the two main parties cannot seek a compromise on a way forward.
Having been in RE Investment for may years, money always talks - eventually. Something is not quite right with the club re-location plans at this time. |  | | |
| new stadium on 15:05 - May 2 with 3502 views | enfieldargh |
| new stadium on 11:23 - May 2 by Juzzie |
I like the thinking above about dismantling three stands and leaving SAR in place and moving athletics there but unfortunately a 400m track won't fit, it's just too big,.
This is the LC track superimposed to the same scale on top of LR.
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| new stadium on 15:14 - May 2 with 3486 views | ActonExile |
I reckon we would actually try to build this without informing the people who actually own the land, could add a 'it's a knockout' steeplechase through peoples gardens. | |
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| new stadium on 18:18 - May 2 with 3300 views | E17hoop |
This feels like Wasps are lifting their skirts and showing us their knickers. They can't survive on their own and would need help in construction. |  |
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