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David Attenborough show kicked sideways to iPlayer
What times we live in
I know almost nothing about the Premier League even though I try to catch the big games every now and then at the end of the season. But I will say this, Queens Park Rangers is just a fukking sick ass team name. Just sounds so cool.
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 23:23 - Mar 10 with 3271 views
I’m mid 50s, and I despise the social media world. It’s the worst thing to happen to humanity as a whole. I see countless videos where people are unbelievably cruel and horrible to others just to get a video on social media.
I’m so bloody glad that social media wasn’t about in the 80s & 90s when I was growing up, and into my drinking days.
Many people have committed suicide due to videos posted online.
If social media was banned tomorrow, I’d be happy.
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 23:23 - Mar 10 with 3243 views
Lineker dropped from MOTD on 23:16 - Mar 10 by JamesB1979
1930s Germany is primarily associated with the German Nazi party and Adolf Hitler. Hitler was Chancellor from January 1933. The Nuremberg race laws were effective from 1935. What language are we talking about if it isn’t that of the German Nazi party, Hitler, Goebbels and all the others.
The inference in Lineker's statement, is that anything the Tories do is because they are Nazis,and those who agree or vote for them....are also Nazis. It's really too easy to pick holes in the left rhetoric.
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 23:58 - Mar 10 with 3103 views
Lineker dropped from MOTD on 23:23 - Mar 10 by Damo1962
The inference in Lineker's statement, is that anything the Tories do is because they are Nazis,and those who agree or vote for them....are also Nazis. It's really too easy to pick holes in the left rhetoric.
Lammy agrees.
Just one example of many on the left since Brexit. Where it has become the norm to trivialize words to try to paint the other side as nothing more than Scum(Rayner). We recently had the media refer to those in attendance in Liverpool to demonstrate against asylum seekers approaching school girls for sex as Far right, when in fact there where many families in attendance.
I found myself reclassified that next morning as Far right, well done media.
Lammy by the way...
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'You didn't know that was wrong, but now you do. If you do it again, I'll know you are doing it on purpose.'
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 00:23 - Mar 11 with 3054 views
"There is no huge influx. We take far fewer refugees than other major European countries. This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s, and I’m out of order?"
Just to ad to the debate the actual social media policy (and he's not an employee so even that does not apply.) And the actual tweet, which does not use term Nazis and refers to the language used in Germany in the 30's i.e the time that led to the election of Hitler.
You might disagree with it don't like him and agree with the policies and that is your prerogative but it is neither factually incorrect nor a breach of the BBC Social Media rules
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 00:31 - Mar 11 with 3031 views
Lineker dropped from MOTD on 23:58 - Mar 10 by Sharpy36
Lammy agrees.
Just one example of many on the left since Brexit. Where it has become the norm to trivialize words to try to paint the other side as nothing more than Scum(Rayner). We recently had the media refer to those in attendance in Liverpool to demonstrate against asylum seekers approaching school girls for sex as Far right, when in fact there where many families in attendance.
I found myself reclassified that next morning as Far right, well done media.
Lammy by the way...
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If you oppose ULEZ expansion Khan calls you a far-right, covid denier, or a tory. That's the mayor of London talking about people with very real worries about replacing a vehicle or paying £12.50 every time they drive their car in the middle of a cost-of-living crisis. So now apparently I'm far right according to the major. I had mistakenly thought I was just somebody trying to get by and support a family.
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 03:37 - Mar 11 with 2929 views
In an attempt to get back on topic by ignoring the customary descent by the usuals into abuse, I just looked on the football page of the BBC app, and the first four (4) items are all about this internal BBC disciplinary issue!
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 00:31 - Mar 11 by PunteR
Literally havent read read any posts since page page 1 but i already know its full of c*nts.
You bunch of tw*ts.
For the second time, it would be great if we could remember that we’re all QPR fans together here and not go around calling each other cnts because they hold different views to each other.
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 06:26 - Mar 11 with 2817 views
Lineker dropped from MOTD on 06:07 - Mar 11 by Northernr
For the second time, it would be great if we could remember that we’re all QPR fans together here and not go around calling each other cnts because they hold different views to each other.
Sorry your right. I'm just being a massive cnt. I wasn't being serious btw. Just getting it out there early before someone does.
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 07:05 - Mar 11 with 2763 views
Lineker dropped from MOTD on 23:18 - Mar 10 by Damo1962
That's that cleared up. Good job you were here to show us the right way to react.
Point being, that unless his contract states he may not use social media to breach BBC guidelines - which it obviously doesn't as BBC have said in their statement "that he will step back from presenting Match of the Day until we've got an agreed and clear position on his use of social media" - then the BBC don't really have grounds to ask him to "step back". Certainly not the grounds they are citing anyway.
Whatever your views on the rights or wrongs of what he said, the BBC have got themselves into an almighty mess here, and having set this precedent, it won't be easy to avoid accusations of impartiality for almost any presenter on any program if people start digging into their social media history, or if they are not 100% clued up on the veracity of any statement that any guests make, particularly those presenting political programming.
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 07:24 - Mar 11 with 2723 views
I don’t watch MOTD or anything with Lineker presenting so I can’t comment on his broadcasting skills , as a striker he was one of the best everyone is entitled to free speech, I don’t agree with his views but that’s his opinion What I cannot get my head around is that Lineker is now a man of the people where as Matt le tissier is a right wing crackpot conspiracy theorist who should be banished to the pits of hell Le tissier lost his job and hasn’t worked in broadcasting since , why is it ok for one and not the other
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 07:25 - Mar 11 with 2737 views
Had to laugh when I saw Braverman (what a Sheidt superhero name btw) in an interview saying she was offended by the language in Lineker's tweet and found it offensive.
Whether you agree with his sentiments or not, whether you think he's on waaay too much money at a publicly-funded institution, surely we can agree there's no way he should be fired simply for expressing an opinion. Imagine if that applied to us and some of the utter lunacy we post on here - especially after Rangers invariably lose!
QPR - "shit but local"
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 07:31 - Mar 11 with 2727 views
You’re all lefty liberal snow flakes if you back Linekar expressing a view that I disagree with. Unless you do agree with me, in which case you have the right to express whatever view you’d like because freedom of speech is paramount and the woke MCM don’t want you to say what you think. Except when you say something I don’t like, in which case the media should cancel you because you should be impartial. We shouldn’t be kneeling on a pitch because we shouldn’t talk about politics in football, unless it’s about Russia, Qatar or the Queen then we should. Politics and football do not mix, unless they do when my side of the fence says so.
Makes sense huh
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 07:32 - Mar 11 with 2708 views
Just listening to Andrew Castle in LBC and he has stated that he was working with Lineker on Thursday and during that time his phone was going ballistic, so he asked him whether he regretted writing what he tweeted and he admitted he went too far. Apart from his work with the BBC by all accounts Lineker has a very successful film company and also a successful podcast company, which no doubt he has developed from the training he has received from a PSB, funded by all of us. And for the record he is directly contracted and paid by the BBC and not through a production company.
And with regards to the immigration issues let’s not forget that the majority of the illegal immigrants that came across last year were from a democratic European country, which is outside of the EU. Albania. Those people are not looking to be sent to Rwanda but instead flown back to Albania where once they arrive they will remain free and not persecuted. They are economic migrants and not political. Their lives are not in danger if they stayed in their own country. Now compare this against a friend of mine who came over from the Caribbean to study at university for three years and is now in her second year of an extended visa to work after which time she can apply for indefinite leave to remain. She has developed her career but she is also married. Her husband remains in the Caribbean. He cannot obtain a visa as a dependent which would allow him to come across and work. He is a god fearing individual, no criminal record, because of his religion he does not drink or take drugs. He has in the last couple of years trained to become an electrician in his own country. But he cannot get a visa. To be reunited with his wife. This is where the UK’s immigration policy is wrong.
Gary Lineker didn't cross any boundaries with what he said imho, although I don't agree with him. Suella Braverman was probably not best advised to use the word invasion. But....if 200 racists came to march in your town today, you might say the town was 'invaded'. If 50 000 people sail to your shores on small boats..... The word 'nazi' is so over-used at the moment, it should probably be consigned to the same place as another 'n' word (And I understand that Lineker didn't call anyone a nazi). If you protest against a 15 minute city, you're a nazi. If you protest against drag queens reading to children, you're a nazi. If you counter-protest against protestors protesting about drag queens, you're a nazi. Essentially, if you disagree with someone's opinions, you, or they, are a nazi. There's so much hyperbole, no-one's listening to the other side or trying to reach accord, harmony. Harmony. Sigh.
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 08:16 - Mar 11 with 2603 views
Lineker dropped from MOTD on 07:05 - Mar 11 by WatfordR
Point being, that unless his contract states he may not use social media to breach BBC guidelines - which it obviously doesn't as BBC have said in their statement "that he will step back from presenting Match of the Day until we've got an agreed and clear position on his use of social media" - then the BBC don't really have grounds to ask him to "step back". Certainly not the grounds they are citing anyway.
Whatever your views on the rights or wrongs of what he said, the BBC have got themselves into an almighty mess here, and having set this precedent, it won't be easy to avoid accusations of impartiality for almost any presenter on any program if people start digging into their social media history, or if they are not 100% clued up on the veracity of any statement that any guests make, particularly those presenting political programming.
While it might not be an express term of his written contract, which would be a massive, and I have to say unlikely error, on the Beeb’s part, then I’d be even more surprised if the wording of his contract did not refer to the binding nature of associated policy and procedural documents such as: disciplinary rules and procedures and policy on comment/neutrality. Additionally, it could be argued that there’s an implied contractual term to remain neutral given who the employer is.
More over, Lineker has been spoken to before about his tweets, so he can’t be surprised that this tweet - however relevant it may or may not be - has caused the Beeb an ‘issue’.
Not saying everyone on Twitter is a cant, not even saying Lineker is. But everyone who is a cant is invariably on ever social media forum possible...I agree with the poster above who berated social media, for it’s ruining way more than it’s benefiting!
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 08:28 - Mar 11 by dmm
Absolutely. But I'm thinking Matt le Tissier/Gary Lineker here, how many would say the former went too far while the latter is right. Personally, if you invoke Anne Frank to make a point, I find that distasteful. But if freedom of speech is absolute........of course, you could argue that losing your job, especially when you have earnt what those two must have in their careers, is not being silenced. Maybe it's not that they are saying these things, but that we are actually listening to them, that's the problem! The BBC news website has run 'ex-footballer says something and some other people didn't like it' as their main story - really? That's the most important thing going on right now?
Edit - and here I am perpetuating this shit! I'm off this thread now!!
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 08:47 - Mar 11 with 2468 views
The positive side of all this is that it's a sign that Wokism has peaked and is dying. If we really are going to have free speech then I'm delighted
But the said part is it's just emblematic of the corporate drones like most posters on this forum being herded away from Wokism to Statism
Now the Establishment firmly has its claws back in they want less Chaos it brings the move away from Wokism is picking up pace. Hilariously Lineker is being framed as pro-free speech
Bingo.
There has been a clear editorial decision to change the words being dumped into the water supply.
Less wokism. And, while not shown in the graph, probably more statism.
The ship doesn’t turn overnight, and the new normal is worse than before, but wokeness decelerates. https://t.co/4s8sh88uxs
Gary Lineker called out the Government for their deliberately divisive language and the story has only blown up thanks to the Tories' confected outrage and right wing rags like the Mail. Well, now it has now blown up in their faces and rightly so.
I don't recall the BBC talking to Lineker, let alone suspending him, about his "Bin Corbyn" Tweet in 2017.
Suffering since 1978.
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Lineker dropped from MOTD on 09:53 - Mar 11 with 3405 views
I think the government's poster campaign is very worrying. Feels very far right in the same way that parts of Europe threatened to go a number of years ago. It's been designed to appeal to that demographic, which is equally concerning.
What really does my head in is that our Prime Minister, home secretary and others in the top end running the country are from immigrant families. You look at that and you think... okay, good, this is a healthy state of affairs to show what people can make of themselves through the generations of people that have settled here... And then you see that they are on the face of it every bit as uncompassionate as those we would expect in this party to do and say these things. They are so completely disconnected from the real causes and devoid of ideas about how to tackle trafficking gangs that are actually here! The gangs are controlled here!
Lineker has first hand ongoing experience of looking after people who have come into this country. He's taken people in. He continues to help people. It's very difficult for people to have a go at him because he is rich or is employed as a freelancer by the BBC. The BBC were always going to be in a no win position here. They are leant on by the government, a slave to archaic rules and although I agree with Lineker they had to be seen to be doing something, although I think they managed to get this spectacularly wrong. Taking him off air effectively punishes the public, who in the main enjoy watching him and his team on that show. It should have been dealt with behind closed doors and without effecting the show.
On someone else's comments on the Kahn and ULEZ I agree that he was totally out of order in his comments back to the public that attended the meeting. It's a stealth tax being put out in the name of 'health concerns'. It's forcing millions of people who have older diesel cars off the road. Diesel fuel prices are artificially inflated. It's got nothing to do with the war in Ukraine or anything else. It's a blatant attempt to force diesel cars off the road. The £2000 scrappage scheme is a joke. Most people in lower income groups have no way of buying cars that comply with the new rules. Most, like me will be forced onto public transport at the inflated prices being charged and pretty soon people in low income groups will be forced to work from home... but then we can't afford to live in those too.
The only thing is that if we lose yet again this afternoon that I'll consider that the players have downed tools to support the MOTD cause.
Lineker is not a news presenter but it seems is expected to abide by the same impartiality rules as them due to his "high profile."
So presumably Alan Sugar is low profile as he is free to tweet his political opinions. Strange, given how the corporation keeps renewing his series.
Likewise Jeremy Clarkson - ok, we're talking a few years back, but was he low profile when, as presenter of low profile show Top Gear, he suggested striking workers should be shot?
That, surely, is at the heart of why this decision is so wrong. No consistency in application of the policy.
Lineker dropped from MOTD on 22:52 - Mar 10 by kensalriser
Did you know that Russia hasn't been even nominally Soviet or communist for over 30 years and is now run by a far right dictator?
Indeed.
And a country with zero national debt, yep ZERO national debt, you heard that right. Plus an income tax rate of 13% on your wages all the way up until you earn £160,000 a year, and next to no local taxes.
All in all, you can start to see why right wing dictatorships are popular with their public, certainly in comparison to our pseudo conservative/liberal orthodoxies that are bringing us to our knees.
It’s unfortunate that the Linekers of this world equate everything right wing with Germany of the 1930’s as their ‘go to’ formula. The guys a well meaning shallow thinker indicative of a society in collapse.
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